Kids need to realize its not about lyrics............
 

u know what...im tired of this bull shit.....kids judge rapper by lyrics and lyrics alone.....

id rather listen to Ja Rule........than the dopest lyricist in the world who has no presence, delivery, or good flow

i seen an argument about kanye west in another thread...shit is insane...dude has a killer delivery, presence...and just the way he comes across on the mic is brilliant....his lyrics...are decent...but i still love his music...cause he has a certain level of decency lyrically...and everything else is supurb

you wont find a bigger talib, mos def, and common fan than me.....but the fact of the matter is this...people dont wanna hear complex ass lyrics....keep your lyrics decent...and work on diff aspects.....like flow, delivery, and presence....

as long as your lyrics are ok...it dont matter.....cause nobody wants to hear that bullshit....about the dynamic circumference of the unviverse persuj[qiewjf ewhfhe......words mo fos aint never heard before.....

SO PLEASE SHUT THE FUCK UP WITH THE ''OH IF HES NOT THE BEST LYRICIST IN THE WORLD, THAT MEANS HES NOT GOOD AT ALL"...SHIT IS FUCKING REDICULOUS...I LIKE ALL RAPPERS WHO KEEP LYRICS DECENT...AND STILL PULL EVERYTHING ELSE OFF WELL.....

i hate 50 cent...because he has no lyrical skill whatsoever...but...people like kanye...are good for the game.........but please people....keep lyrics decent...work on complex flow and shit....stuff people wanna hear.....

I agree with you completely.
:thumbup:

Kanye is only average on a music level...
But hey, I am really hard to please because I'm a tough music critic and I'm NOT a fan...

Which means I never respond to hype, only skill...

I like rappers who have it all... From good lyrics, good music to a good movement backing them. Kanye has proven in the past that hes not worth my time of day.. His shit is for fans, and fans only... Same with dipset, Jay Z, Badboy, Young Jeezy, etc etc etc etc and all those cats that arnt really skilled but just make shit fans can vibe with..

I got a REAL broard taste in music... I give everything a chance once... So my opinions are my own, not what I been told... Love it or hate it, thats just how it is.

And no... I dont listen to rappers that just spit a bunch of mumbo jumbo with big words trynna impress people.....

word nos...i feel u....i kinda look at music as a fan...and as a critic...

like..what i try to do..is put out exactly what i want to put out...and please fans at the same time...its hard to explain....

but i def feel where your coming from...im not criticizing you for cracking down on horrid lyricists....i wish that the game was full of lyrical beasts with every aspect killing it.....but its just not the way its ever gonna be...i try to get the best of both worlds though....

Well...for 1 kanye has ghost & co writers to help him..when you hear kanye repeat the same word to rhyme wit the previous line like camron does..thats when u hearing kanye's tru lyrical capibilities......2....reason people make that arguement is cuz if lyrics didnt matter any jackass could go to barnes & nobles an buy a rhyme book....learn to flow decent an be considered a rapper---->i.e. mike jones.......I agree that flow an delivery is important...but lyrics are equally as important.....kats that use big words alot of times lack substance but provide the illusion of depth cuz people dun understand what they saying, being able to creatively word oridinary occurences in ya life...is a artform.....sayin exactly what u would say in a everyday conversation an putting a rhyme at the end of it....its a dr. seuss book.....if u aint got lyrics u cant rap...do u gotta be the best NO...do u have to have sum ability yes....Kanye west has NONE...Ja rule....BUAWWWWWW..u really wylin....when u write a metaphorless, punchlineless, wordplayless verse your disrespecting hip hop.....so if u jus aren't compabile of writing something that any reg. joe couldn't...."put the mic down so a real talent can use it properly"

LMAO....yea ja rule....i wish i had his voice....

but i can honestly say this....bro yao is lyrically better than ja rule...but id rather listen to ja rule for a year straight than sit through 24 hours worth of bro yao lmao

Well when u talk voices thats personal preferance....but to say ja rule is talented cuz he has a grtty voice is fucking retarded.

lmao nah......im not saying hes talented at all...i just like his voice lol

^^so your telling me you would buy his cd cuz u like his voice?....thats all it takes to impress u?

how do you know kanye west has host writers and co writers?
I never EVER heard no shit like that.
and he didnt say lyrics didnt matter COMPLETELY, he said decent lyrics can be backed the fuck up with a dope ass delivery and presence on the mic, such as Kanye West have.
and yes, if you dont have lyrics you cant rap
but if you dont have delivery, YOU CANT RAP EITHER!
and I rather listen to ALL of Kanye West songs than just yours Triple N.
Kanye West is the truth!

no....ive never bought a ja cd...never will......

i just like his voice...thats all lol

Son....kanye west shouted out his co writer for jesus walks at the grammys...shit look on the back on his cds...it says writen by kanye west, an so on an so on........you obviously dun keep up wit hip hop news if u dun know kanye has ALOT of help wit his lyrics.....an yes flow an delivery is important...no one said it isn't.....but it isn't everything, thats like if we was talkign basketball an kanye is desmond mason, desmond is a phenominal dunker wit crazy hops, then u got canibus, who's Kobe who is a great dunker, shooter, defender, etc now who u gon pick first, the guy that has only mastered a part of the game? or the guy who has mastered it all?. :huh:

Okay then....now your arguement makes no sense.....u was saying katz like Ja should be respected, yet u wont ever buy one of his cds

damn, you right
rhymefest DID help him write jesus walks
but a co writer ISNT a ghost writer
a co writer isnt like what you think.
and Kanye West HAS mastered it all.
what DONT he got?

no i didnt say he should be respected....i just said id rather listen to him all day.....than someone who is lyrical....but has no presence, delivery, and flow.....

like bro yao.....lyrically better than ja.....just like everyone else in the world is.....but bro has absolutely no flow whatsoever....he sounds like hes eating the mic......

so yea...id rather listen to ja than him....but it doesnt mean i respect ja at all

Music is subjective. Us being rappers, we can probably see flaws in flow or lyrics..

But to average dudes, people like 50 cent are the best lyricists they've ever seen. How many normal people listen to canibus, and compare it with kanye, coming to the conclusion kanye is wack... Not many, if any. All they hear is a nice delivery, a nice beat, and nice lyrics, when in reality kanye's shit is average.

no, YOUR SHIT IS AVERAGE.
Kanye West is one of the dopest out right now.

your multies are dope yo lol

Jeez dont get your panties in a bunch. From an objective view of the rap game as a whole, kanye is average.

thanks. I like your delivery :thumbup:

who's the hottest person out right now?
Young Jeezy
Lil Wayne
T.I.

compare them to Kanye West.

you know what.....you aren't musically educated enough to see how unimpressive kanye west is.....I tell people all the time "people don't like kanye, they like his beats".....I know you don't understand what lyrical talent is..an don't care to understand....you jus wanna bob ya head....put it like this.......kanye CANNOT carry a beat....his beats carry him.....this is same reason paul wall, mike jones, an all that trash sells.....kanye has mastered nothing.......he uses the same sing songy flow every song....draging on his rhyme words...uses no multies.....he uses same delivery every song....he has essentially NO quoteable lines...no classic albums or classic songs......but he does have nice beats......an picks ill singers to collab with...u listen to kanye an come away with absolutely nothing....but hey if thats what floats ya boat...more power to ya

Im not talking about this through some small scope of "who is out now," as you put it. Out of the cats that get radio play presently, yeah kanye is probably the best. But out of those who got a lot of radio play in the past, those who dont get radio play, and underground rappers of the past and present, kanye is average. I dont restrict myself to putting up with the shit they play on the radio.

I try and tell this to kryo..

But he doesent listen... I wouldnt waste too much of ya time on him bro..

yeah kanye does have some quotable lines that line he used on that Last call song

The "Maynoise Colored Benz pushin Miracle Whips" that line was real nice

lol yea....will man...i honestly DO listen to kanye.....but as far as being the dopest?...nahhhh.....

i just think he's better than most mainstream artists...which isnt saying a lot...but i do think hes good for rap

with this thread i was just trying to point out that some people need to switch the direction of their elevation....a lot of cats focus only on their lyrics...when they also need to focus on delivery, presence, and flow.......but they just dont realize that for some reason....

thats all i was trying to say....wasnt trying to spark any arguments here lol

do have any idea how many times miracle whip has been flipped?.....this nigga used a miracle whip flip years after the product had been discontinued, shit method man was doing miracle whip flips in 97, an he was doing it in freestyles at that, kanye had to sit down an think hard to come up wit dat shit lol, how u gon come wit a concept from 97 in 2003 an have it been considered quoteable? u gotta be kidding me......shit, I could show u tru quoteable lines but if thats ill to you....I'd have to spend an hour explaining to u what it means.

If you dont consider these lyrics, then I dont know what the hell are

I get down for my grandfather who took my momma
Made her sit that seat where white folks aint wanna us to eat
At the tender age of 6 she was arrested for the sit in
With that in my blood i was born to be different
Now niggas can't make it to ballots to choose leadership
But we can make it to Jacob and to the dealership
That's why I hear new music
And i jus dont be feelin it
Racism still alive they jus be consealin it
But i know they don't want me in the damn club
They even made me show I.D to get inside of Sam's club
I did dirt and went to church to get my hands scrubbed
Swear I've been baptised at least 3 or 4 times
But in the land where nigga's praise
Yukons and getting paid
It gon take a lot more than coupons to get us saved
Like it take a lot more than do-rags to get your waves
Notin sadder than that day my girl father past away
So i promised to MR.rany i'm gonna marry your daughter
And u know i gotta thank u for they way that she was brought up
And i know that u were smiling when u see that car i bought her
And u sent tears from heaven when u seen my car get balled up
But i can't complaint what the accident did to my left eye
Cuz look what a accident did to left eye
First Aaliyah and now romeo must die
I know a got angels watchin me from the other side

I even took the liberty of boldin the "quotables" even though the entire verse is dope and filled to the brim with lyrics, and his emotion and delivery is remarkable.

I agree...I was conversating wit a friend a mine about this.....u find alot of katz really obsessed wit lyrics....have wack flow, an no delivery or presence.......basically the knock on lyricists is they dun kno how to entertain...an entermainment is a big part of music.....BUT rap is a artform first an foremost...an what makes u a good rapper, we not even talking great...jus to be a good one........u gotta have a combination of flow, delivery, presence, an good lyrics.....if u missing any of those aspects....u aint a rapper period.

yeah yeah but u see..i aint seekin that "i put ya brains on a chain now i'm rockin ya smarts" u know that kinda stuff is dumb(quoted from someone dope cant say who)

word.....................

actually
if you rap
then you're a rapper.

waiting for Trips 30000 char. response on what he thinks a rapper is

So you saying Talib, Mos Def, Black Thought, KRS1 Etc Has no flow in other words?
Indepht lyrics against Club for example like Nelly shit.....C'mon Homeboi

Like I originally said "u aren't musically educated enuff to know what tru lyrical talent is"......I will lightly explain jus to see what u come back at me wit cuz I know I'm wasting my time but its sunday night so I'll entertain u for a lil while.....

Now niggas can't make it to ballots to choose leadership
But we can make it to Jacob and to the dealership

I respect the message but u dun get more basic or uninspired then this^^^

Racism still alive they jus be consealin it
^^^this is a joke right?....thats a quoteable to u?

They even made me show I.D to get inside of Sam's club
^^^yea and?.....what is lyrically creative about that?...if he was telling u a story about what happened in his day, he would have said it the exact same way.

It gon take a lot more than coupons to get us saved
Like it take a lot more than do-rags to get your waves
^^^finally u quoted something creative...but quoteable? no...its a very basic metaphor not impressive at all

But i can't complaint what the accident did to my left eye
Cuz look what a accident did to left eye
First Aaliyah and now romeo must die
^^^^again nothing impressive....an again kanye rhyming the same words...an he used a movie title to refer to that kat from steve harvey show dat got popped,...are u kidding me?........this is as good as rap gets your telling me?......No rapper in the history of rap can top lines like this? :huh:

actually, Talib, Mos Deg, Black Thought, Krs 1 etc has flow.

So it is about indepht lyrics!! there you go.

[QUOTE=Will S.Unyu]actually
if you rap
then you're a rapper.[/QUOT

Actually your right.....but judging from your musical taste, you dun know what rap is :thumbup:

meh, I dunno Trip you might be over-analyzing that shit... I mean what do you expect, that is a dope verse... it REALLY isnt as basic as you make it out to be... I bet if that came from a different rapper you'd have a different opinion, but you've already got an opinion formed of Kanye in your head.

no i said that id rather listen to ja rule...than someone that has good lyrics...but doesnt have flow, presence, delivery...

i didnt say id rather listen to ja than to talib.....