ghosts
 

ok who here believes/doesnt believe in ghosts and why
..and has anyone here had any experiences with em
....i have a friend who claims to see them all the time,n a guy at my last job says he saw them everywhere too.....me,i'm undecided i wont say its impossible that they exist n i did have a weird experience with them like 10 yrs ago....n when i told some ppl they started tellin me shit that happened to them too....so lets see if anyone here has encountered any

my womans mom lived in a house where there was a ghost, she seen her to, it was a old lady she was nice, when ever she was there there was a warm feeling in the room ......................i believe in them

eh,doesnt sound too convincing,i'd need to hear something experienced first hand...

loll @ warm feeling, maybe she just needed to turn the heater down a bit.

Well. . one time I was like, eating dinner. . WITH A GHOST!

OH SHIT!

Thats pretty much all the proof i need.

Yeah, she was eating salmon. . and I was eating trout. It was fucking insane. I got this warm feeling and shit.

I be watching Ghost Hunters SciFi son. Eh.. a little.

I cant believe some kids stole my fucking skittles today.

lol@warm feeling

"ghosts" lmao. I know that the spirit leaves the body as an electrically charged gas (called ether, the same stuff Space is made of) after you die, but to think that it can interact with physical things and objects = unrealistic.

Everyone I've ever met in my life that said "I can see ghosts" or say "I saw a ghost" or "I felt a ghost" had never seen, saw, or "felt" a ghost till they saw one TV or in the movies and then every unexplained situation where the settings were quiet....just liek in the movies...is when they "saw" the ghost. never in a big public place, enver in the day time, etc.

We played a trick on a dude I went to HS with names Louis once by going to an abandoned house we told him a family got murdered in (which we completely made up) since he said he could see and feel ghosts. We go to this house me, him and another friend and sneak in under the fall of pitch blackness. At one point, some doors blew shut due to the mean draft that flowed through that houses broken windows, and he swore up and down that he saw a ghost slam it and run toward him before it vanished. He swore he felt it touching his arm and neck as we walked through the house to the point he was straight up petrified.

We didn't have the heart to tell him that we made it all up.


People see and feel unexplainable things all the time, and people THINK they see things that they never did. The human mind believes is real what ever it wants to believe is real.

Ever heard of a placebo pill? They still work though they contain absolutely no medicine. Why? Because all that's needed is for the person to THINK it works, and their body will automatically walk them through the processes as if it did.

wel i'm glad u think u know everything about this world....but u dont,n i dont either,u cant say 100% that its impossible that there are "spirits" n shit...i'm not sayin they exist,but i'm not gonna completely rule it out either...

Never had an encounter with them, but I do believe its possible, out of the millions of claims of ghosts, i really doubt ALL of them are false.

i seen a ghost too his name was jesus he told me to eat my vegetables so i shot him...................

So hilarious .

No I don't, I believe in the matrix, I believe that Ghost are a glitch.

lol wtf.

that's strange. I could have sworn I said that spirits exist right in the first sentence.

Why are you so defensive?

BTW, if you disagree with anything I say, show me why, other than "I'm not trying to hear that".

ok,first of all i think u are the defensive one....yes u did say spirits exist,but,u also said that it is just energy released into the universe,n u said it is impossible for them to be seen,felt,and to interact with ppl...etc....n u said that ppl merely claim shit happened to them n blame it on ghosts/spirits because tv/media /movies whatever put shit in their head.......
ok n maybe u played a joke on some stupid kid....that was bs granted
but....what i'm sayin is,can u completely rule out that it is possible that spirits are more than what scientists hypothesize ?because thats all it is,a hypothesis
because noone,not u,nor any scientist can say 100% without question what will happen to ppl when they die....n that is a fact...noone knows 100%......there are so many theories but noone can really say what one is true,if any..........
that is all i'm sayin
it may very well be true.....but what if ?

For some reason, i think ill leave the Ghostbusters to yall. I'm coo.....the last thing i need is to have problems with something that i touch.

I didnt beleive in ghost until i went to Disney world.

Where'd I say that? I think you're completely misinterpreting what I'm saying, because I never said "nobody can see ghosts", nor did I say "they're energy released into the universe" How did you come to that conclusion?

Seems you're taking more from what I'm NOT saying than what I AM saying. why?

Believe me, I'd be the last person to tell you that one can not experience the presence of spirits. But most of the people who THINK they expereinced a "ghost" is simply their mind manifesting these things based on what they've seen elsewhere, such as TV and movies.

BTW, people DO know what the human soul is and what happens to it after you die. The human soul is a gas (why do I feel like I'm repeating my self) made from a substance which has an ion charge called ether that escapes from your body after you lose your life. This is something that's been weighed and photographed with kirlian photography, it's far from "hypothesis" as you imply that it is. Instead of taking guesses as to how I learned this...why don't you simply...ask?

Ghosteses! Theys after me! Feet don't fail me now!

lmao, what's funny is I heard this as I listen to Hey! by MF Doom, the beat on the scooby doo sample lmao.

Like, zoinks 9th!!

I read it in a book called "the Millenium and what to expect" where the testing procedure of weighing dying volunteers and observations there of are all documented. There are numerous groups and persons who have replicated this experiemnt for them selves and all of which have discovered that after the actual moment of death, the body loses weight that is not accounted for in the bodys normal processes of dying. One such persons findings, you can read up on it here: http://www.michaelteachings.com/soul_substance.html

Here's an excerpt:



"Ether" is a chemical (and probably the only chemical) that is found in every concievable form, gas, liquid, solid, and each can differ signifigantly. Every entity in our universe is made of one form of ether (9-ether, 6-ether, and so on) or another. As a matter of fact, the inky blackness of the universe is made from the carbon based 9-ether which gives the gas its black hue. Coal and therefore diamonds are also made from 9-ether. Even the melanin in your skin if you have any.



As for the electrical charge of ether, that has been documented in kirlian photography which is the source of every modern concept of "Aura" and the aura colors that we know of. Lifeless objects show different aura than that exact same object when living and even shows diffret colors of aura in one being based on factors such as their mood and health. Certain colors 'flair' during kirlian photography which "coincidentally" coincide with accupuncture pressure points that were discovered by the chinese 200+ years before science coincided with the imaging of "aura".

This "aura" is measured through the photography of ions in a process named for the scientist that developed it. You can read more about it here: http://www.themystica.com/mystica/a...hotography.html

god apexx u write novels...lol
anyway,ppl into scientology etc say when we die our souls are energy released into the universe,which is in a round about way what u are saying too...this gas ether u speak of and "the electrical charge of ether"..pretty much the same thing u are talking about,u are trying to scientifically prove it....n this expert did say "our hypothesis" is the weight that the human body loses is the human soul ...etc....the weight loss can be something else,i dunno the water thats in ur system,ur blood ,n how much weight are we talkin about,some percentage of a gram or something? that doesnt prove that there are/arent ghosts/spirits and if the stories ppl talk about are true or untrue.....as a matter of fact,i'd say what u are saying proves ghosts DO exist....u are merely saying that most ppl who claim to experience it just think they did ....but there may be ppl who actually did though.....u cant rule that out...n what about EVP do u believe ppl who claim to experience that are telling the truth? i'm not asking all,but any?

Funny you mention my posts, when I just came from another thread reading a constipated glob of a post that filled half my screen with run on sentences and no punctuation in site. It was your post right here. But onto the "topics" you bring up, I'll break this down for those with the attention span of a flea:

Uhh..for starters, how are you going to tell me what I'm SAYING based off of what you IMPLY - even after I already said that you're no where close to what I'm saying? I have no connection to "scientology" what so ever. Stop trying to force me into a category of some type of person you've seen before in your life. You've never seen, heard, or met a person like me in your entire life, I promise you that.

I said "Our soul is made from the same chemical that ALL matter is made from...EVEN the universe". How did you translate that into me saying "our souls get released INTO the universe"?

Your guesses at what you think is leaving the body and why, are completely irrelevant to "facts" since you don't even know the weights. fractions of a gram? Try ounces. BTW, the evaporating water content you take your wild guess at is already factored in. This weight reduction I mentioned happens at the exact moment of death and is sudden, not hours down the line like evaporation would be. Reading is fundamental.

Again, you assume what I'm meaning instead of seeing what I AM saying. Souls exists. "Ghosts" do not. "Ghosts" are the names given to some non-physical being that walks the earth like a normal person and bangs things and makes "weird" things happen. How would this be possible in a physical world when the being it self is not physical? "Souls" however are the content of someone's conciousness and have no physical bearing since they're not physical beings. Just a collection of electrical charges you call memories, ideas, and feelings. They manifest as electrical interferience, and even as thoughts in your dreams that soak into your neurons when your mind goes into alpha while you sleep. They don't hang out in houses and break plates and slam doors.

And for the last time, people can and do feel Souls. You could not feel a "ghost" since a "ghost" does not exist to physically lift plates, physically slam doors, or any other TV fantast of hat "ghosts" could supposedly do. And no, a "soul" and a "ghost" are far from the same thing. The planet you stand on has an aura, which would be considered its soul, which LOTS of people are born with an ability to feel and they feel it in unison around the globe. The earth however has no "ghost". All of the external senses like clairvoyance, womens intuition, etc are all based on the ability to feel specific electrical fields unseen to the naked eye - YET DECETCABLE BY ELECTRONIC EQUIPMENT. Electrical equipment exactly like the human skin and the neuro transmiters in your brain!!! <--some of the most sensitive electrical equipment on the planet.

Theres so much more to this discussion than this, yet, as soon as someone goes into the same information you claim you want to know, your weak, atrophed, and underutilized brain says "man, this is too much reading to find out what I wanted to know" and just fails on it self.

Lets make sure the facts are established before we go trying to take shots and wild assumptions, shall we?

lol dont argue against apexx.. you never win.. i know i never have :( haha.. so many arguments u go in apexx.. n u never seem to give up once one is started.. u always finish it hahaha..

OH NO THERE WAS NO PUNCTUATION IN SITE....i must go kill myself now....
who gives a FUCK this is a stupid rapboard filled with 14 yr olds.....n i'm BORED
n listen,son...dont go around acting like you know who i am or my education...
....i will never meet someone like you? how about i dont want to,but i know your kind. you are a nerd who watches the discovery channel and such 24/7 and you THINK you know everything,when in reality you probably are either still in highschool or going to some community college. what u know may be from your obsession with the topic,not due to your intelligence....
and,i'll say this...if you actually went to a top university,like myself,you'd know that when you argue something you have to have an actual idea that you are supporting....a central idea...much like when you write an essay and you have a thesis,you support that one idea not get off track n start talking about a million different things without ever giving a direct answer to WHAT WAS ACTUALLY ASKED...all you are doing is talking in circles...every post you are saying something different....noone said i didnt understand what you said,but i did get bored with reading a bunch of crap i didnt ask you to post...i asked a direct question in this thread,and your first post was talking about some prank you pulled on some kid then you started talking about a bunch of other stuff and i summed it up to you being one of those ppl who try to explain everything with science...and thus far,science has not been able to answer far too many important questions for me to blindly believe everything they HYPOTHESIZE...may i add,what u quoted from whatever science website said HYPOTHESIS...they do not know why the human body lost however many ounces at death..a year from now they can come up with a completely different answer for it,just like how first scientists believed the earth was square then later discovered it was round...and the same way they thought the sun revolved around the earth then later found out it was the other way around....what scientists hypothesize CHANGES on a regular basis with new findings so i do not rely on it .....and your whole take on what a soul is is just completely retarded...and what makes it even MORE HILARIOUS is that you act like you fuckin know beyond a reasonable doubt that that is exactly what happens when YOU DONT REALLY KNOW...and many much MUCH smarter ppl then you arent even sure,and THOSE science experiments you speak of are just guesses that is far from proof so if i were u,i'd stop acting like a little know it all,like i said u wont truly know until you are dead,u can guess till the day u die but u wont actually know until then.............so please,PLEASE stop posting your mumbo jumbo boring ass shit that isnt intelligent in the least bit...u just fool the little kids on this site into believing that u smart by talkin nonsense about something like u really know.....and u dont......goodbye
...*awaits another boring novel with u quoting me and trying to respond to every single line i wrote without proving a single thing*

Umm, sorry, but I only made it through the first half of your paragraph and still didn't see exactly what you were trying to say. Something about you trying to attack me or something? Or something about me saying something different every time I speak, when in fact I've been re-phrasing what I've been saying since the first post - even literally repeating my self. uhh..ok lol. I guess, since..according to you I'm still in High School (LMAO) I'm not intelligent enough yet to make out exactly what it is you're saying lol.

Actually, looks like your whole paragraph is centered around you attacking me. I got an idea...how about you find where I'm wrong in anything I've said so far, instead of worrying about ME personally. Argue the facts and you won't have to waste time arguing with me, right? right. But if you wanna have fun with personal attacks lmao, I'm down.

And LMAO @ verifyable facts being "mumbo jumbo". Sorry if you're too umm.."unsmart" to understand it and too lazy to verify it for your self.

Shoulda spent more time in school and less time getting knocked up :-X

hehe, I'm gonna tell you a secret that everybody already knows. I'm not the one. And I'll leave it at that lol.



lol, man, it's just that most discussions you see me in, I'm not guessing on what I'm saying. If I were unsure, I wouldn't have said anything. I've spent sleepless nights reading books and sucking information into my brain for hours on end just to get answers to questions that I asked my self which are the same questions people are asking here and now. So when I speak, there's no doubt in my mind, so naturally my position is rock solid because so are the facts they're built on. I don't theorize, or guess, or anything like that. For fun, lol, anytihng you see me say anywhere on this board in a discussion, debate, or argument - just pop in on me and say "prove it!" lol. The hardest part for me is summing up x amount of books and x hundreds of pages worth of info into a 'cliffs notes' of a post for someone else and still not lose any of the meaning in the process. :-/

Usually you find one chunk of the world follows science, and another chunk follows spirituality. Then one day you find sources that live right down the centerline between the two, and that's when things finally for once in your life start to make perfect sense and "all add up".

Those who wanna know, will read. Those who don't, will make excuses. I sleep the exact same at night either way.

Jinkies!

I will agree with one thing. People who have no formal education do watch the Discovery channel and think they understand "science". ehh ehhh The Discovery channel gives basic info at best. Then, their information is often biased and human centered. There's no substitute for a formal education in science.

NONE.

I'm sure lots of people here can tell you about what in vitro fertilization is. But, how many people here have actually done the procedure?

^^Things like that are invaluable. So, it kind of irks me when people toss out "opinions" about things they're not qualified to discuss. Opinions are opinions. Facts are facts.

^^You talk to people about "heaven". Have you ever died and been to heaven?

Then by your definition, you're "not qualified" to talk about heaven.

Ever met Jesus? thenn...by your definition.....

lol@apexx PRETENDING he didnt read my post then QUOTING things i said at the end (mumbo jumbo)....c'mon son isnt that a little pathetic?
obviously u arent getting my point.
my point is,you are talking about something u CANT BE SURE OF,no matter how many books you read,because even the SCIENTISTS who performed such experiments are still calling it a HYPOTHESIS and not a fact. but u want to act like you KNOW exactly what happens when there is not ONE person in this world who KNOWS what exactly happens when we die. period. u can list a zillion books,and journals and other sources. but each one is just SOMEONE'S hypothesis. u can AGREE with them,or BELIEVE thats the truth,but believing something thats merely a hypothesis,and it actually being PROVEN A FACT are two very different things.....
.....in simple terms,HOW exactly do u intend to PROVE what happens to ppl when they die? there is NO SUCH experiment that can be conducted that can determine that and call it a FACT. the results can only be called a hypothesis.....stop talking on the subject because we'll just be back to square one,u trying to prove something u CAN NOT POSSIBLY prove.
goodbye...again lol

Maybe you should respond to LK first because she's ready to lay into dat ass...lol


Am I qualified to discuss what the bible says? Maybe. There are courses in theology I could take and degrees I could earn. Can I prove to you heaven exists? NO. That's not my job. Did Jesus exist? From a historical stand point, yes. I believe he existed as much as I believe Alexander the great existed. Is Jesus the son of God? I believe so.

So, what's your point Apexx?

Oh...and for the record...I don't have a degree in theology but took courses in college on the bible. I've also been in church since I was a child and have been taught extensively on both the old and new testaments. Does that make me an expert? Probably not. But, I certainly understand much of the scripture and the context in which it was written.

...oh and what makes u believe i didnt "get myself knocked up" intentionally?
family is as important to me as education....do u know me? do u know how many years i spent in school? do you know what i'm doing with my life,what i do ,what i will be doing? no....i woudnt make those kind of assumptions if i were you....

....n one more thing,i dont know how u find the time to read as many books as u claim when u are on here 24/7 rofl...like u have nearly 5000 posts...
.......in 5 yrs there will be experiments that will prove what u are here fighting to prove, completely wrong...thats why THOSE scientists call it a hypothesis,so they can retract it if/when its proven wrong...n FOOLS like u are humiliated....

That's odd. didn't I say I read it and made it through the first half, skimmed the rest and saw your whole post was an attack? REAAAAAAAADDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The experiemnt wasn't a hypothesis lmao. AHAHAAHHAHA. An experiment would be the exact opposite of a hypothesis, BUT he hypothisized about what it is that might be leaving the body. What he DOES know is that it's etheric. what he dosen't know is if it has a conciousness. REAAAAAAAAAAAAAAADDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!

You think he's the only person to do this experiment? I coulda swore I said he wasn't. Maybe you "conveniently" ignored that part and hoped I'd forget. RRRREAAAAAAAAAAADDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD!!! <----wow, I seem to be repeating my self quite a bit.

I see your only "point" (though dull) is "you can't prove that! it's IMPOSSIBLE for you to prove that!!"
In your mind, it's already impossible that wht you consider is "unexplainable" could actually be explained. In my mind, nothing is unexplainable and there's no such thing as a "mystery" - there's an answer for everything since everything happens for a reason. I guess you were right, I really must be uneducated, because I don't know the meaning of the word "impossible". Everything's impossible till somebody does it.

Oh yeah, when faced with facts, people who want to hold onto anything they believe (such as your self) always run to the "hey, you can't prove that! you can't prove anything!" argument. Next you're gonna say "you can't even prove we exist".

BTW, a "human being" is a physical body, and contrary to your statement, everyone knows what happens to a "human being" after it dies. It decomposes and rots.... sooooo.........what on earth are you talking about??

Actually...I think a lot of issues are being crossed here. Some things are fact, point blank. Some things are a matter of faith or opinion. I think if people would speak specifically about what they're claiming or refuting, we wouldn't have this issue. And, Apexx was wrong for attacking you personally. This thread was about Ghosts. The last time I checked, everyone was entitled to his/her opinion. It just seems like a lot of people here are strong willed and aren't willing to consider other points of view. And, one of the true signs of "intelligence" is being able to consider other views without being threatened--i.e., what most scientists do through experimentation. If a hypothesis isn't supported, then they change a variable. It doesn't mean the hypothesis is immediately incorrect. It just means they haven't created the correct conditions for it to proceed as hypothesized.

Who said (or cares) if it were accidental or on purpose? You got knocked up. That was my point.

You got knocked up = fact.

You thinking I said it was accidential, which you can't quote for me since I never said it = YOUR assumption.

Is this where you try to justify and explain your self? why do you care so much what I think? Who gives a shit.




THEO-LOGY!!! THEORY is not FACT. If it were fact, it'd be called Factology. And like YYOOOOOUUUUUUUUUU said...if someone hasn't done it, then technically they're not qualified to talk about it right? So what qualifies you to talk about anything in the bible, you haven't done or personallywitnessed any of it, so by your own definition, you're not qualified to speak on it. Why are you contradicting your self? Studying theories for the rest of your life still proves aboslutely nothing. It's jsut a theory.




I've only been on this board a year and some change. Are you dumb enough to think that I stopped reading when I got on this board, or worse yet, that I've only been alive a year and some change??:huh:



The same experiments you just said would be "IMPOSSIBLE" to prove anything?? You just said it's impossible for science to prove anything about the soul, but now you magically predict that science will prove the exact opposite of what someone else already DID prove? And I'm supposed to accept your contradictory AND baseless statement as some forthcoming of fact?? right.

please put the pipe down.

BTW, "scientists" state something is a hypthesis when they can explain the consistent results. Not so they can retract a statement later down the road. Please learn how to read before you try to talk down to anyone about anything.

Or at least crack open a dictionary instead of cracking open your thighs :-X