Please don't blame God for bad things that happen...explanation inside
 

This issue has been an age-old quandary that many people struggle with. To be honest, most of the people who wrestle with this issue don't have a close relationship with God, or are in a rebellious/backslidden state with God. Once you understand the nature of God and the laws of reaping and sowing, you'll be more at ease with the question of: "Why does God allow suffering?"

First of all, God gives every person common sense and the ability to make his own decisions. I've seen cases, for example, where babies are born with brain damage or some other serious defect. Then, the first thing people ask is, "Why would God allow such a thing to happen?" NO. Stop right there. I ask you. Why did YOU allow such a thing to happen? Oftentimes, women don't eat properly during pregnancy, they may drink or do hard drugs during the child's development, or they simply doesn't seek prenatal care when they should. As a result, the child suffers some developmental set back and is born with defects. So, how is that God's fault? Did God shove the drugs down the woman's throat? Did God force her to go out to the club and drink when she should have been at home, eating fruits and vegetables and other healthy foods needed for the child's proper growth and development? NO. Those who do those things CHOOSE to do those things and suffer as a result. There are consequences for every action. It's amazing how God is the FARHTEST thing from our minds when we're doing "our thing," but when we have hell to pay, it becomes "God's fault."


2. We are the hands, eyes, ears, and righteousness of God (his believers). So, when there is an issue that needs to be addressed, we as the people of God are supposed to address it. The bible clearly says, "Don't turn a man away when it's in your power to help him then and there." (Paraphrase) So, when I pray, I don't say, "God, you feed the homeless and the poor people of the world." Then, as I sit in front of a 4 course meal, I ignore my neighbor who could be starving as I sit. No. Why pray and ask God to do something YOU can do? Why does God allow hunger? NO. Why do WE allow hunger? Americans especially waste soooooooooooooo much food it isn't funny. There are enough resources in the world for there to be no one who goes to bed starving, literally.

3. Be sure of this. Even if you don't believe in God, hate him, are his enemy, or just refuse to believe what the word of God says, you WILL REAP WHAT YOU SOW. That isn't to say that every bad thing that happens to you is a result of sin. But, rest assured that every sin you commit will reap consequences either for you, or for you and other people as well. So many of us want to pass the buck to God when he clearly gives us a choice and an alternative. If you feel that God has abandoned you, be sure that it was YOU who abandoned him. You can not have your cake and eat it too. Either you're going to serve God and be blessed, or you're going to reject God and gamble with your soul. So, why should God rescue you in your time of need when you couldn't care less about him? Now, God is kind and merciful and gracious. He causes the sun to shine upon the just and the unjust. But, realize that those who acknowledge God and at least try to live for him have right to certain things that those who don't, don't.


4. God allows suffering because we have to suffer. It goes back to when Adam sinned against God and broke the covenant in the Garden of Eden. Life, from that point onward, was to be strenuous. However, that doesn't mean you can't complicate your own life more. What God asks of us is our hearts. He wants to lead and guide us. He wants to bless us. But, like any Father with his children, you can't bless "bad" and "disobedient" kids.


5. Finally, I want to address the issue of prayer again. You all may not realize this. But, hell is actually a dimension between heaven and earth. And, praying invokes spiritual action on God's part. In other words, when you pray for something, it's answered supernaturally before you see it. The blessings you pray for have to literally travel through the heavens and even hell to reach you. So, the angels' whose job it is to get you your blessing have to fight demons to get you your blessing. Sometimes, this takes longer than others for a few reaons. One reason is your own sin. Again, think of a father and his kid. This isn't always the case, but can be the case if you know you're living filthily and wanting God to bless you. ANother reason for the "delay" is that God has to change so many other things just to accommodate you for your blessing. Praying for things outside of God's will--i.e., nice weather, revenge on someone--may never be answered because God is merciful and expects us to be the same.


God has a personality like we do. The bible says God experiences emotions. God laughs. God gets angry. God gets jealous. The difference is, He isn't ruled by his emotions as we are. But, the one attribute of God we should all be thankful for is his kindness. It takes a whooooooooooooole lot to piss God off, really. If He truly gave us what we deserved, the ground would open up and swallow each and every one of us. So, don't blame God for bad things that happen. We cause most of it. The rest is a result of natural processes that can't be avoided--i.e., death and aging. Also, Satan himself assigns demons to certain quadrants on earth to unleash havoc. This is spiritual warfare people. The war is a war in the mind. Study it. Believe it.

God is good. :thumbup:

dude, stop with the fuckin threads allready, seriously, shits gettin fuckin stupid now.

whats so bad about this thread..

I get what you mean. Even though im not a christian I dont like it when something happens to someone and they blame god. Theres so many like parables and stories and shit that deal with the reason for suffering in this world. If you are christian, you shouldnt be blaming God for anything.

Yea, I've noticed that the tendency of human beings is to find something else to blame their shortcomings on to take the spotlight off of their own problems. It takes a real person to admit when they are wrong.

whats wrong with this thread??

im sick of seeing 50 million threads made tha q to do with god and religion and why following religion is better than not blah blah fuckin blah

....ok i get ur point ,but...that example with the babies u used was not a good example
....u r sayin babies that are born with defects are the mother's diets' fault?
or she must have been drinkin or doin drugs?
u r wrong there are things that happen to babies without any of that....n even doctors cant explain it so i think that was a pretty ignorant generalization...
.............let me ask u a question?

do u believe god made u homosexual?
n why...goin with this theme,
if he frowns upon that,clearly he does in the bible...
n u r so involved in god n church,why havent u become heterosexual?
.....one could reason that it is "temptation from the devil"
speaking from a christians point of view i guess,not my own...
....what is ur take on that?

lol cant blame the guy for his faith in God

Sexuality in terms of physical attraction is controlled mostly by hormones. Those hormones are controlled by your pituitary gland. The last time I checked, people didn't have control over their pituitary glands. So, being attracted to someone, whether the same or opposite sex, is mostly out of our control. What we can control is when these urges come, how we respond to them. I am no more "hetersexual" than you are "homosexual." Technically, I can force myself to try to be attracted to females, even when my nature is pulling me in opposite directions. But, that wouldn't be genuine or fair to the female. I know so many closet homosexuals who get married, pretend to be "str8", and ruin females' lives. I've seen it numerous times. The bible clearly condemns gay sex. The bible also condemns fornication. it condemns adultery. It condemns beastiality. There are lots of things the bible condemns. So, I won't focus on one. Now, looking at your motive to bring up homosexuality is interesting because I don't consider having to deal with it "suffering" or a "bad thing". There's a difference between temptation and action. I am no more a sinner than a man who womanizes and fornicates habitually. Sin is sin. The truth of the matter is, I believe sexuality is a spectrum. I am not 100% "gay" because I do have thoughts of certain women and even having a kid one day. But, I would never put myself or a woman in a bad position just to prove to society that I'm "normal."


Plus, I didn't say ALL BABY DEFECTS were the result of a woman's poor decisions. I said that in that case, I know examples of people feeling that way. They didn't exercise precaution when they were pregnant.

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PS...ONE MORE THING...I would Absolutely take a vow of celibacy before I'd force myself to do something just to "fit in"...If I'm attracted to a woman, I'd do it because I WANTED TO, not because society says so. However, if I never develop the ability to be 100% attracted to a female I'm with, I'd be celibate, easily too. That may seem crazy to you, but my life is my life. I don't have to life it according to your terms. Marriage and kids are wonderful for whom they are for. If it turns out that I don't get to experience that, I'll be fine with it. You play the hand life deals you.

theres faith and then theres ott stupidity... tha q and these threads has now become the latter

Then dont clik on them just move along and dont say shit instead you need to create this NET BEEF as u say you dont partake in and act like its absolutely killing you to see these threads try being a grown up and simply move to your next interesting thread... :thumbup:

it is hard to find an interesting thread when a)theres next to none and tha q's religion threads out number any other kind of thread

...Q,who u are attracted to isnt controlled by hormones...u are talkin about lust i think...
...why is it that scientists are saying that homosexuals were born with something different in their brain that makes them attracted to the same sex as opposed to the opposite sex? are u going to say thats god doing too,or that the mother was doing something wrong while pregnant?
...just curious....
...n ,i'm not bein hard on u about ur sexuality,cuz really n truly i couldnt care less what u do behind closed doors....but couldnt a murderer say what u said too?
...thou shall not kill is only one thing in the bible ? so its only one little thing so its no biggie?
..............the churches do make a huge deal out of homosexuality....so i'm just wondering what ur church thinks of it,if they know at all..and do they try to change u etc.

If you credit god for the good things in your life, why not also credit him for the bad ones? Like plagues, slavery, AIDS, and so on? In your bible it states God (supposedly) caused a flood that killed everybody short of 8 people, he burned cities, turned people to pillars of salt, created disease, famine, war, and death as his personal horsemen, took the first born son of every family in egypt, even let his own son get persecuted, tortured, and murdered.

So if you get beaten within an inch of your life or fall ill, that's not "God"?

Sounds like the same "God" to me.

Ignorance may be bliss, but its still ignorance. If you don't like what you see, make your own threads that interest you instead of screwing up other's discussions bitch.




As for the topic, I agree with Tha Q, people just love to point fingers when unexpected things happen.

I'm not gonna stay on this because it's off topic. This thread is about blaming god for the "bad things" in our lives. I don't see what homosexuality has to do with anything. BUt, no it's not the same as lust. When a man sees something that sexually arouses him, the physiology of his actual erection is beyond his control. Because we are rational beings (or at least we like to think so) we can mentally force ourselves to think about other things. However, the biology of my body is mostly beyond my control. You could put a heat pack on my penis and it'll get hard. That has nothing to do with lust. It's all biological. That's what I'm talking about. And, no, "churches" don't make a big deal about homosexuality. Some homophobic preachers do. For the most part, it's actually avoided. There is a big contigent of people who deal with homosexuality. But, it's taboo to address outside of the usual, "God says it's an abomination." Meanwhile, those who struggle with it continue to struggle with it because people aren't willing to be mature and discuss the issues.

THAAAAAAAAAAAAANK YOU.


And with that homosexuality shit, god wouldnt have you be "born" with something that'll get you to hell. Just like Lk said a murderer could say the same thing. Everything is conditioned in you from life and can be reversed. When I was a kid I used to be attracted to titties more than normal. Now that I've seen alot of them I dont get all jumpy when they come out. If it was horomones that I was born with to like them then surely it would still be with me right now. I dunno if I'm making sense, but eh..

Oh, and for the record, ALL good things come from God.

To the person who said I'm living a "fairy tale," you're ignorant of what the scripture says. I am not making that up. I'm referencing what's clearly stated through scripture. Now, if you don't believe that, don't believe it. But, don't suggest I'm making it up because I'm not. You're just ignorant of what the bible says about it.

And, I don't know why you all are attacking me on this homosexuality issue. I didn't bring it up. NO where did I say "God made me gay." Nowhere did I say, "I was born gay." I said my sexuality is controlled by factors that are MOSTLY beyond my control. Let's stay on topic please.

Ummm...I don't know what your sexuality is. And, neither does anyone on this board. If you are str8, then I imagine you still are attracted to females. You don't have to "convince" your penis to get hard when you are in sexual situations. It just happens. It's no different with someone who is gay. Gay people aren't being "rebellious" and "forcing" themselves to be attracted to the same sex. That's laughable. Anyone who purports that is an idiot.

OH...And Apexx...you had better believe that plagues could be caused by God. Look at the examples I gave. I said people who specifically cause their own ills need to stop blaming God for them. If I sleep around with 100 dudes unprotected, and develop AIDS, can I really blame God for that? NO.

Well I think of the world and destiny like dominos. God pushed the 1st domino and shit happened from there. And what is "good" is all oppinion. If we were in the superbowl and I won, you would say "oh this is terrible" while I'm going "OH THANK YOU GOD". Or if someone was about to shoot me and right before he did he had a heart attack. I would say "OH THANK YOU GOD FOR SAVING ME", but meanwhile the killers family would say "oh my god satan killed my baby" and so on.

Don't get "cute" on the "good" is relative B.S. bro. I can guarantee you that your life isn't that difficult. There are people who starve to death in parts of the world. You are sitting here on the i-net, probably fully clothed, living a decent life. Those things are "good". You don't stop to think do you? It doesn't have to be that way. Keep living and you'll see things a little differently because right now, you're taking things for granted it seems.

kid go eat a dick... ive had so many discussions with tha q on this religion shit and i have schooled him on so much shit its unreal, but he is too ignorant to admit it.

Lmao you're really stupid. I'm not even gonna try to be all politcally correct, you're stupid. Again there are people who PURPOUSLY starve themselves. And if the existance of something worse means it's not bad, then NOTHING IS bad. Including murder, rape, stealing, devil worshipping, racism, and homophobia. Because while you're complaining about that... people are starving. :rolleyes:

Thank you. You just said the magic word. You don't BELIEVE IT. So, stop trying to shit on my beliefs simply because I stated them. Thank you. Just because I believe what I believe doesn't make me in a fairy tale.

What am I complaining about in this thread? Tell me...Because apparently, the topic of this thread goes over your heads. WHat you're talkin about has ZELCH to do with the topic of this thread. And, I didn't bring it up. So, again, enlighten me. What am I complaining about?

Also, the philosophical mumbo jumbo about the good/bad is exactly my point. But, there is a difference between not having "what you want" and not having "anything at all." If someone doesn't have the means to live, that isn't RELATIVELY worse than not having STEAK for dinner. Bro, look someone who's starving in the face and tell them their pain is "imagined."


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Seriously, and as for "schooling" religious debate is just something in a matter of opinion. You dont school people on religious shit, because for all we know, all theories are wrong or all can be right, some can be wrong, and some can be right. We will never know. As for the insult, it shows truly how retarded and uneducated you are. I cant see how you'd do well in any debate it seems like your primary line would be: " omg, tha q you are teh gay, religion is dumn, I can prove it by beig a nUbz0rr"

:bored: Again, the point just can't hit you. But since you mentioned it, you're complaining about blaiming god for bad things. Cause omgz while you're complaining about people blaiming things on god people are starving!

English please, retard.

your right, im uneducated.

thats why i have a college degree in electrical and electronic servicing aswell as education in micro electronics.

Physical pain is also conditioned. -_- But you're not gonna understand that either.

??? I'm not seeing the point of this. The topic of this thread is "don't blame God for the bad things that happen to you."

Again, LK brought up homosexuality. I don't even remember what Indeph was talking about. And, you were disrespectful off the bat by suggesting I was living in la-la land simply because I stated my beliefs. Then, you get defensive when I call you "ignorant". Okay...so, that about sums it up. What is your point exactly? I'm not pulling these things out my ass. These are things I've read and studied in scripture. Again, if you don't believe it, don't believe it.

Electronics is to politics/philosophy/ethics as degree is to ...

What the fuck?!

You mean to tell me there is no relevance?

Oh my Zeus, you must be this stupid, then.

I'll tell you something. I've never been in the presence of a child who was dying of AIDS. Sure, they can drug them up to give them a dignified death. But, I'll guarantee you this. Remove those drugs and that's real pain bro. I'm not going to get into a philosophical debate about "pain" verses perception because it's irrelevant to the topic of this thread or even this discussion. Oh...and it's easy to understand, thank you you asshole.

you said im uneducated, that proves i have an education.

just because i insulted you does not mean i am uneducated, it means my first impression of you is just what i said, simple as that, who the fuck are you anyway???

I only called you ignorant when you resorted to bullshit. State your views and move the hell on. I just wanted it known that I wasn't making this up. It's documented in scripture.


nuff said

You know, I found it funny that you would go out of your traditional tough man insult gimmick just to be a philosophically sound person. You really just cant string basic cognition can you?


So your first impression of me through your insult was "go eat a dick kid"?


You have an IQ of 0.000000