Yall gotta help me
 

earlier today i was havin a discussion with my mama and uncle about God and all that
and I was tryin to ask them really really hard questions that be leavin christians stumped, but i couldnt think of any right on spot.

i did ask a few though
my uncle had said that God knows everything including the future
so i said why did he let Adam eat the forbidden fruit then?
and he respondedbecause man have free will.
so I said but if Adam didnt eat the fruit then there wouldnt have been sin in the world
If God had the chance to stop sin, and sin is evil, why didnt he do it?
and all he said was.. "because God gives man free will"
so i was like, if he's God and he wants people to be good then why would he even want to give man the OPTION to be evil. If he wants everyone to go to heaven then he instead of banishing satan to hell he should've just destroyed him. Then my mama said, God doesnt destroy
and I was like "whaaaat? As much as you read the Bible I cant believe you said God doesnt destroy because he has destroyed entire cities with thousands of people so why couldnt he just destroy the root of all evil?"
and it was a pause. lmao
then my uncle started to speak some mumbo jumbo again, i stopped listening and continued to play Zelda: Twilight Princess. (which is a dope game by the way)

technically speaking, if god can see into the future, then he is fully aware of our paths...so from the second we're born....a path has already been made for us...and we have no way of changing our path...therefore...we have no free will...we can only make choices on now...but we have no control over our future, that, if anything is God's decision isn't it? i mean i'm "deciding what im writing" but God already knows what ima type in this box and the next and the one after that...so...i guess i dont have free will...more like im following the path God has given me...

question him on that

BOO YAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH!
Thats a good one my dude

That means he already knows if we're going to Heaven or Hell.
If he know the future then any decision we make he will alreayd know
even if its a bad one that might get ourselves or other people hurt
if he can stop alot of pain then why doesnt he!??!

god dont exist.



^^tell them that.

thas exactly my point...he knows all the choices we're gonna make before we decide ourselves...where's the free will in that?...a puppet has no awareness so we as puppet masters can make it do what we want...we're unaware of our path and God has already laid it out for us...therefore making us the puppets and he the puppet master...to have free will God would have to litterally show me the path im going to take and then let me decide if i want to walk through that path...but then again...wouldn't God already know my answer?

gangstas dont play zelda....................1

Which would you rather have;
70 years or so of free will?
or an eternity of happiness in heaven?

How the fuck do you know what gangstas do when the closet g to you is ATLEAST 400 miles south of Alanson?

So you're comparing a dictator like Fidel Castro to The Lord?
If he didnt allow sin to be introduced into the world then he wouldnt have to "tell" us what to do BUT
Now that you mention, he DOES tell us what to do
you ever heard of the ten commandments?

From what I hear Cuba isn't all that bad as us Americans make it, Everyone gets equal pay so there is no rich or poor, free electricty, housing, water, medicaid...

Lmfao @ these weak ass arguments.

God is God, meaning that God is above worldly logic. So if he knows what you'll do, that doesn't mean he made you do it. For instance, do you know some people so well that you can pretty much guess what they'll do tomorrow or in any particular situation? Well, God would be something like that (in terms of predestination vs. free will) not that he decided FOR you that you will do one thing rather than another, but more that he understands you SO well that he does know what you will do.

Try to get out of thinking of God as some sort of big guy with super powers, if there is a God in the sense that you are talking about, there are things of him that simply don't apply to the field of human logic. =/

If God told us what to do I seriously doubt it will be like being a prisoner.
YOU compared following the Lord Savior to following a dictatorship, not me. You may not have meant to say it but you blatantly did.

You didnt make a point at all.


I know exactly what you mean by that. I have a friend that has an anger problem. When he's in a situation I tell that nigga right off the bat what is gonna happen and I tell him how to respond and how to react so he doesnt make the situation worse. Why? because thats my nigga and I love him and I dont want to see him in a bad situation.
Why cant God do that for us if he loves us?
And since he's God, he could do it even more effectively, right?.... RIGHT!?!?

But God knows our future already...personally an eternity of happiness in heaven is my option...but how do i know that i'm going to heaven if God has me destined for an eternity of hell?

Sure i can chose now...but God already knows what im going to chose...so do i really have free will?

Wtf are you stupid? The only bad thing about cuba is they dont want you to leave, But If your an American going to Cuba..Fidel will embrace you with open arms because He's taking away $$$ from america...so shhhhhhhh

People put themselves in bad situations so they have to do the opposite and get themselves out. God can't just step in every time bad things happen, because then the entire concept of faith is gone. Good things happen, bad things happen and God is a part of each and every one equally, but just because we don't see it every single time, doesn't mean it doesn't exist.

It's ALL faith.

Read my post on the first page. -_-

yeah you're right in that sense...but Zone made a decent argument himself...but what i'm saying is pre-destination isn't free will because if thats the case we are forced to follow it blindly like that blind man you see wih the guide dog ya get me...

and here's something for ya...if God made EVERYTHING visible, invisible...he MUST of made pre-destination...so you could say he gave us if anything...a false sense of free will...

I have friends from Cuba, and they said it beautiful down there.

Well to be honest I'm basing my arguments off of beliefs of everyone else, meaning I don't even believe in what I'm saying in the end. There's a shitload of loopholes and whatnot, but arguments for both sides are extremely valid.

all this talk about, "why didnt He just get rid of evil?" because he says he wants you
to come to Him, he wants you to love Him because its YOUR choice not because he got rid
of sin and now its la dee da we're saved.

Lol how did this go from God existing to Cuba? lmao wtf....but yea back to the point..i dont believe in god for several reasons..the major one being...

All those poor kids that dying all around the world...tell me what those kids did to deserve such a severe punishment? And dont say because their parents sinned, cuz if thats the case all of your parents sinned and yall seem to be alive... If gods all loving and forgiving then why doesnt he help those kids?

^ yeah but at the end of the day where is his satisfaction in all that coz he already knows whether or not ya gonna come to him for salvation...honestly man God can't be surprised because he knows everything now and everything thats about to happen!

you ever read the bible? ever of satan? than did you know that he was given temp
and limited control of this world? but then u can say "I feel bad, why's God doing that?"
but then again what have YOU done to help it. i myself have been involved with "adopting" one of those kids, sending the funds for school, clothing,food, etc. please dont say
you dont believe in Him because of that when most likely you've dont nothing yourself to
help the situation other than watch tv and say "O, that sucks" than flip the channel.

My nigga why should you be held responsible to help those children, If "god" doesnt wanna help them then he shouldve never made them in the first place!! "gods" sounding more like a bad parent to me...quick sum1 get child services!

You are not black. Please refrain from saying nigga from here on. Thank you.

http://community.rapverse.com/showp...981&postcount=1

he's blacker than me...but thats besidethe point...lets keep to the topic in this thread...im doin well lol

Yeah, I know this kid, he posted on RB...

then got banned and spammed the shit out of the site. Got around all bannings, including IP bans, and went through about 100 aliases posting as many bullshit threads and annoying the shit out of everyone he could before he finally gave up.

He's fucking whack.

God is letting all of them children over in africa die of starvation and of aids.
what are WE doing you ask?
what is HE DOING?!
HE'S GOD!?
Why should we be forced to do something we didnt have any control over in the first place?
IT'S GOD!
Im not saying its God;s fault that those kids are dying and starving.
But who's is it? Satan's fault?
Oh, well if its HIS FAULT, then why dont God do something about SATAN!?!?!
We're humans, we cant stop satan, but everyone talk about someone who can. GOD!!1
But why is Satan still causing men to rape lil girls?
Why is satan still in the heart of racists that killed so many blacks?
Why is Satan still in every crack and crevice in my birth neighborhood causing so much pain. Forcing kid's parents to smoke crack to numb themselves from the reality that their life is hell.
And with the parents numb, whose taking care of kids? Whose making them go to school?!
Nobody, thats why they are droppin out.
Kids drop out of school they cant get a good job, no job means no money, no money means poverty. Poverty means anything being done to eat. Such as violence.
Niggas is killin for money, which is a sin. Which causes people to go to hell.
I swear this shit seems like a fuckin trap
Im about to go make a song about this bullshit

you aint black either and you say it.
STFU

How am I not black?

LMAO ARE YOU CRAZY? NIGGA I LIVE IN NY...EVERYONE IS MY NIGGA...THE 80YR OLD LADY NEXT DOOR IS MY NIGGA..AND IF YOU CANT DIG THAT THEN DIE..CUZ BITCH WE LIVE IN AMERICA AND ITS SOMETHING CALLED FREEDOM OF SPEECH IF YOU DONT LIKE THAT THEN GO TO CUBA.

YOUR THE FAKE BLACK...LIKE BILL COSBY AND CARLTON FROM THE FRESH PRINCE..


P.S. NIGGA

LOOL, i dont think ya'll are reading right. he was given temp
and limited control of this world. just as when adam and eve were kicked
out of eden and left to fend for themselves, because of satan. ever heard
he comes to kill,steal, and destroy. all that you just posted, thank you for typing
situations that i no longer have to type.