4 reasons Clinton will beat Obama
 

1. Obama's former Pastor is killing his campaign.




2. People are starting to wake up and realize a smooth talker, along with slick talk, can't/won't put food on the table in a recession.




3. Hillary Clinton is effectively using Art of War strategies--i.e., waiting for her opponent to slip even the slightest and then pouncing = SMART.




4. People revert to what they know under pressure--i.e., the familiar name "CLINTON".





My prediction: Obama will concede the race to Clinton by mid June.






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didn't you also predict you'd be famous, and that you'd have a song with Common by now?

ummm... if u look at the math... clinton has to win each race ON AVERAGE 60-40 to even match obamas delegate count, , and she already is gonna lose one of the biggest states left (NC)...... the fact that clinton is still putting up the fight is gonna split the party, whether she passes obama or not.... and then if she gets the nomination without a delegate count lead, that will split the party more

Neither Obama nor Clinton can win the nomination without the help of the so-called "Super Delegates", most of which are still undecided. Furthermore, Clinton outperforms Obama in national polls when matched up againt Mccain in a general election.

Also, regardless of what either's supporters claim, they WILL vote for the other candidate of theirs doesn't win the party's nomination.





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Hahaha..

Either of them are going to win.

mischa barton is gonna vote for clinton......

I'm an idiot..

(N)either.**

I honestly wish Bush could run again.

i just wish america had a strong leader..........


like stalin

12 years of greatness > 8 years of greatness

I just wish Bush could run again for comedic value.

I'd like to see Obama win. Clinton is a lying joke.

Obama will only loose if Clinton keeps up this bullshit and pulling voters away from Obama. Basically Clinton is being childish, "If it aint me, it aint gonna be you" type of thing.

politics for the loss. whooooo carrrreeeesssss.

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Obama 08!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Whoever wears the strings in the end is just going to be a greed/power hungry whore regardless.

^ i disagree. you've been mislead by the Republican way of thinking that has dominated American politics for the last decade.

Republican, Democrat, it's a one party system man. Hope you don't think they really call the shots.

^ dude, you really do not want to talk down to me with this shit. i am fully aware of the powers of the checks and balances system that we have in place, AS WELL as the powers that a capitalistic society has itself that no president or leader of any kind can change. however, saying that no president is going to fight for the common American's best interest is a way of thinking that has been formed based on the last 8 years. it IS possible when you consider his power in assigning his cabinet/officers, as well as all of the other people that will be around him while in office.

Don't tell me my mind was magically formed from some ape in the past 8 years. It's all been the same, always, we killed the one who tried to change it.

^ so your argument isn't that our system doesn't allow for that change, but that the only president to make it into office who pushed for that change was assassinated? i assume you're talking about JFK, but why do you say he was so drastically for this "change" that nobody else has been? what do you have to back that up?

how was he any more for this "change" than Bill Clinton?

I'm not saying Bill Clinton didn't change anything, I think he was a great president to be honest with you. I think it's ridiculous that everything he accomplished was overshadowed by the scandal at the end, but that's America for you. JFK stood for a change that informed the people that he was a puppet himself and that he needed the people's help to make a difference. Once people got behind JFK his puppeteer shot him in the fucking head and covered it up with some bullshit excuse that for some reason America just believed. If Clinton was trying to make the same type of change that JFK was, old Billy would be dead as well.

*Jaw drops*

you.. people.....omg


I wonder how many more idiots who judge politics will slap their brand of thinking with a "School Approved" sticker.

^ who/what are you referring to?

I came in here to gay bash on Q, but now I guess I have to talk politics.


Obama's going to lose the democratic nomination or the actual election because of this whole Jeramiah Wright epidemic that's taking over his whole campaign. People are not voting for him simply because of it and people who voted for him before this all came to light will not vote for him in a general election. I'm not saying that all people will vote against him, that's absurd. What I'm saying is all non-black people will take this all into account when voting.

I hate to turn this into a racial thing, but if Obama loses at the convention, there will be riots in LA, NY, ATL and any other dominantly black cities that are worth raping and pillaging. Which raises the question.......if Obama wins, should white people rebel?

^ that does not "raise" that question because your conclusion was dumb as hell and completely undermines the ability of the black community to think. Obama said it himself... people were asking him if he's upset about how he doesn't even completely have the black vote over Clinton, and he's a black man. and his response was that people under-estimate the ability of the black community to think and make a choice in a candidate that shares the same beliefs and goals as them, and for some of them that is Clinton.

should white people riot if Obama wins? yes, because the white male has been extremely un-represented in the White House in this country's history :rolleyes:

i swear, some people REFUSE to stop trying to turn shit around on black Americans.

oh, and as far as the whole Jeremiah Wright thing... i think more democrats than you realize are open minded and see how pathetic of a strategy it is to try and use something like that against Obama.

Really.....pathetic? This guy openly admits he is a close friend and was his reverend his whole life. He refuses to denounce what he said. All he kind of said was he wasn't there that day. He never really comes out and says that Jeremiah Wright was wrong for what he said. He never admits anything and he is still associated with the guy for that sole reason. If he doesn't think the same, why not say "I think Jeremiah Wright was completely wrong in his speech that day."

Case Closed.



Ohh.....Every black person that I asked who they were voting for said, "Duh, Obama." When asked why it was cause it was about time they saw a black dude in the white house. Now, I guess I'll ask the question a different way. Would I be wrong to vote for Clinton or McCain solely because they are white?



And just to clear things up, I'm not voting for Obama because I have no idea on what or how he is going to "change" things once he gets elected. The only thing I know he wants to do is get troops out of Iraq, but he has still yet to say how he plans to do that without causing any hardship on the troops, because a quick exit could leave thousands of troops stranded in Iraq with no back up, and how he plans to keep good relations with the new Iraqi government. Clinton has clearly defined how she would go about it, but when Obama gets asked all he says is the troops are coming home.


I'm really not trying to be a dick here......I just want someone to give me a good reason to vote for Obama with some facts to back it up because I'm starting to look down on the intelligence of people since this guy hasn't made it clear to me what he is going to "change."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pWe7wTVbLUU

^ probably the most famous speech he's given so far... yet you're sitting here saying he has never publicly stated he disagreed with him? :huh:

and all of these "black people" you have asked hardly represent the majority of the black population in the United States. how many other states or college campuses have you been to asking these questions?

oh, and it would be irresponsible for Barack to completely write off everything Wright has ever said about civil rights. frankly, Wright was right about ALOT of what he said, God DID damn America for part of the population. but, for Obama's purposes of running for President, he stated that he does not, and has never agreed with ALL of Wright's opinions on religion or politics. however, he stated that he will NEVER claim that Wright was not an influential figure in his upbringing, just as he will NEVER claim that his white grandmother who uses racial slurs was not an influential part of his upbringing. all of these things make up his past even though he is now his own unique self who has formed his own ideas. He is simply being honest with the American public... I guess some people aren't ready for that.

oh, and i'll address the rest of your issues with Obama's campaign this afternoon, i gotta run to class and take this exam real quick.

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I'm not going to have time to watch the whole 37 minute speech, but from what you said in your previous post just shows me how he danced around the topic. God did not damn America. God did not damn some Americans. Every American has an opportunity to make something of themselves, Obama proves that. His wife proves that. Shit, I'm starting to prove that myself. To say that God has damned America is a hypocrisy. The same man who enjoys the freedom of his country is going to say how horrible it is to live here. We live in a country that sticks up for the little guy. We live in a country that gives money to poor people to go to college. We live in a country that has a welfare system that is so enticing that people refuse to get a job and get off of it. Its easier to sit on your ass and collect welfare in this country than actually go out and get a job and be proud of the money you bring home. I was unfortunate enough to have to apply for help at the welfare office for child care. They had a program to where they would pay for a portion of your child care if you made below a certain dollar amount a year. I qualified for that. I saw people in there with expensive clothes talking on their high tech cell phones, complaining on how welfare was screwing them over because it wasn't enough. What the fuck?

The reason there is such a job shortage in America is because Americans are too proud to work at McDonalds or Burger King, instead they'd rather sit on their fat ass and collect a check from the government. These are the same people who caused us this deficit. Since we are so nice to the poor and we tax everybody higher just so they can catch a break and keep their 50 inch plasma screen tv while I bust my ass serving my country day in and day out to only have the same 31 inch tv I've had since 2000. I think God has blessed America more than we could have ever imagined and now we are trying to take advantage of it.

Just think of this for a second. If there was a time limit that people could be on welfare for, how many people do you think would get off their ass and get a job if they weren't getting free money anymore? What if there was a clause in the welfare system that said, "you can only be on welfare for 1 year, but if you take advantage in the college opportunities your country provides, we will extend your welfare benefits until you either complete college or stop going." Why don't we have politicians that think that way? Probably because our democracy has turned into a popularity contest where people get elected off of "likability" which is the most disturbing thing today.

You know....I get really heated about politics. I never realize how much I've written until I post it.....lol


I'm not trying to hate on anyone for voting for their favorite candidate if they have reasons other than, "because I like him/her better." I personally like McCain. I'm in the army and some people say that McCain will keep us in Iraq for potentially 100 years. But what you don't hear about is how he is the candidate who has proven to go across party lines to get things done. He's against pork barrel spending. He's got the best ethics in my opinion. When he had a rally a couple of months ago, he had a guy come out before him to kind of hype him up. They guy kept on calling Obama, "Barrack Hussein Obama," which is his full name, but he kept on hinting to the Hussein part. McCain came out immediately after the rally and publicly apologized for the actions of the man and fired him on the spot. This is a man who can admit when he's wrong and fix it. He's also a war veteran and a POW. He's an actual hero. If he seems to think that we need to stay in Iraq then I believe him. If he thinks its time to come out, then I believe him. When Clinton and Obama say it I feel its only because so many other people want it.


Anyway, just my 2 cents :thumbup:

a war veteran and a hero... deserving of respect? yes. does that have anything in blue HELL to do with him deserving the presidential candidacy? NOOOOOOOOO.

and you are using stereotypical examples in order to justify ignoring the real issues facing Americans... you speak of the folks talking on expensive cell phones at the welfare office and use that as a reason that everybody has "opportunity" yet just refuses to take advantage of it. first of all, that is extremely hypocritical, as you yourself were in that welfare office collecting money. how much did your computer and microphone cost, and how much does a cell phone cost? you're using stereotypical examples of a select FEW groups of people to discuss the problems facing that entire group.

the issues facing minorities in this country is not as blatant as it has been in the past. no, there aren't "colored" restrooms or water fountains. but in a way, this actually makes this form of oppression worse, as people refuse to open their eyes and see that its there. we are talking about systemic racism so deeply embedded in our society that it isn't even recognized anymore. the system is designed for one group of people to succeed, NOT for every American to have an equal shot at the "American dream." this starts with the education system and extends through the police state, the judicial system, and the prison system.


sure Obama's experience doesn't match up with that of Clinton's, but i would much rather elect an official whose decision making i have confidence in, and whose logical make-up i agree with and trust.

oh, and as far as using Obama as an example himself of the opportunities that blacks have in this country, once again... there are always going to be exceptions. there are no societal structures that are COMPLETELY exclusive, but you can't discuss issues based on the few exceptions, that doesn't make any sense. look at the numbers, they are ASTOUNDING. white people are not struggling in this country (once again, overall). as a matter of fact, if white people WERE struggling in this country like minorities are, then it would have already been fixed by now.

Obama's Gonna Nuke Iran.
Mccain is going to start a draft, AND bomb iran.
Hillary Clinton is going to (Blank) and (Blank), against Iran. Because she acts like she's against the war, but really isn't. I imagine if she gets elected some drama story will hit the U.S. and we'll take action depending on how dramatic the people were upset by it's fakeness, like GWB Jr.

So uh, yeah, let's be American for a minute and consider voting for Mike Gravel or Ron Paul. yeah.

Engyma and Blay both prove whats wrong with politics, the unwilliningess to accept shit from anyone else. Your both wrong and right.....yay America!

I completely understand what he's saying. Thats the point. He won't answer my question. The only person that has come close to the answer I'm looking for is Tito Bronsky in the other thread. He said Obama is going to change the structure of the government to put more power in the hands of the people. I personally don't see this happening, but if Obama does get elected I will be happy as shit if he actually gets that shit done. What I want to know is where Obama stands on issues. What does he plan to "change." I'm not casting my vote until November like everyone else is, so right now I can't say 100% who I am voting for. What I want to know is what does Obama bring to the table besides a fresh face and promise of change in general.


And going back to you talking about me going to the welfare office. It was specifically for help with child care. Did I qualify for food stamps? Yes. Did I take them? No. The reason we needed help is because we are trying to take advantage of the money put there by the government for our specific reason. I'm married with 4 kids, 3 of which live with me and I pay child support for the other. My wife didn't work or go to college because child care was too expensive and we would take a loss either way. She wouldn't have made enough to even cover day care costs. We used the help for about a month or two before my wife decided to take online classes and we cut our ties with free money. Could we have abused the program? Yes. Did we? No. My wife is now a semester away from her Bachelor's degree in Finance and I'm very proud that we did it on our own. I know everyone is not as lucky as us, so I think these programs help others get ahead. To say that people can't get help because of their living situation or because of their skin color is absurd. I rejoined the army because my family needed money and stability, why can't others? My wife is going to make enough for me to get out of the army when she earns her Masters next year.

I know you're probably wondering how people outside of the army or outside of wedlock can do this. Simple. You're getting free money in more ways than one. First, you're getting money on welfare to provide food and shelter for you and your loved ones. Is this adequate? No. But what you can do to get ahead is look into scholarships and student loans to take online classes. You can get free computer access at any library to take your classes. In a couple years you will have a degree and be way ahead of where you were before you started. You have to be dedicated though. If you don't have the drive, you won't succeed. This is where most people end up.....without the drive or care.


But anyway, someone give me a solid reason to vote for Obama.

Thank you for proving my point. I wasn't judging you, my point was that you shouldn't be stereotypical and judge people in the welfare office. You don't know their situation and how many kids they have/who their wife is, etc.

And, I haven't not provided you with a reason for voting for Obama because I don't have one, we just got caught up in this discussion more directly related to some specific issues that need to be solved. You never specifically asked me why you should vote for him...

I can tell you that Obama plans to take the power away from special interests in Washington. Right now, it is the same dominant group of old white people with money who dominate what happens in this country and what doesn't. Obama has accepted absolutely NO money from special interest groups or PACs during his campaign, and he plans to eliminate lobbyists from decision-making positions in his administration. basically, as Tito said, his campaign is based around giving the power back to the American people.

McCain's getting my vote. BLAT BLAT.

my prediction: clinton will get elected and have a secret affair with someone in the oval office

McCain is a rich old bastard who has shown absolutely no indication that he plans to give us anything different than what we've experienced over the past 8 years.

Yayyyyyyy... McCain 08!!!! :bored: