Hip Hop Writers Compared To Textcees?
 

I've always wondered this, some of these hip hop artists have garbage lyrics. And some have ill lyrics. But some of these textcees are really talented lyrically. And if you have noticed what most teens think are hot lyrics are really garbage and played out to us textcees. Do you think that Eminem could beat most of the ill heads on the board? Given he has ill lyrics, but do you think there are a lot better people on the net lyrically than him or any rapper?

Just curious to what everyone thinks. .

Yes, there are better on the net than him. But it's not a case of that, it's a case who who is marketted better and who appeals more to the buying public

Im Going To Be The World's Best Selling Textee!!!!

Lmao @ Evolve!

I'm very lazy to do audio, without quality sounds, beats, and a decent mic its gonna sound like shit, guarunteed.

But in rap all you need is a voice and looks seemingly. And black unless you're Eminem.

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Took It School For A Literature Display Project........BAM! I Got An "A" For The Comedy, Great Use Of Proper Grammar, & The Mind-Bogglin' Double Meaning Wordplay.....[/color] :roll:

Evolve Is All For The Kid's Getting A Good Edjamacashun!!

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There are better writers but no as good rappers.....Depending i havent heard everyone on here but im assuming they all sound like utter crap....

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There are better writers but not as good rappers.....Depending i havent heard everyone on here but im assuming they all sound like utter crap....

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^^^^ooops......but yeah thats just from the top topical writers i know on the site....not sure about the audio peeps...

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there is some better netcees... and deffinately with better lyrics...
but think of most of ur friends... that don't know the quality of rap...
they just look for the shit that sounds good... don't care about lyrics
and wouldn't know wordplay if they read it...
so i think that's why most mainstream rappers don't try overwhelming wit text...
they only bother the flow n shit

Yes....if Eminem tried to do a text battle, he would get humiliated beyond belief.....

If he tried to do an audio battle.....he would still be humiliated......

And judging from his recent diss tracks, if he tried to freestyle battle he would be laughed off stage.

[color=blood red]^^^I Doubt That, Audio-Wise.....That Goofy Geek Ass Muhfucka Has Too Much Charisma.......

He Can Say Simple Ass Shit & Get Quoted By Hella People, Because Of His Charisma & Delivery.....It's Not Really What He Says Anymore, But The Way He Says It.....[/color]

Yo this was a great question that -Kid- brought up....I believe that textcees here are better then the Hip Hop heads out lyrical wise...you know when it comes to writing lyrics,,

Im not going to state a whole bunch of reasons...but Im pretty sure a lot of textcees feel the same..

Laters

Textcees have to write more ... Cuz it's not listened to ... So U have to write deep shit that'll keep readers' interests ... Where as in Hip Hop Writers don't need to do all that ... Cuz their stuff is listened to ... So yea I pretty much agree textcees can have better deeper meanin lyrics yea ... Peace

well... if your simply a writer, than you have more chance of being better lyrically than a vocal MC... but no matter how amazing your lyrics are, it wont mean shit if you flow like a ape... Eminem is prolly a better writer than most people on this site... but you'd have to hear infinite to know that... unfortunately he dumbed down after his underground days, but hes still better than most people... it all depends... the most amazing writer of all time was prolly someone like Shakespeare or something, but he wasnt vocal, yet he would get props for wordplay if he just updated his english a bit... but tell him to rap... the first response youd get after "whats rap?" would be "i cant"

and then you got 50 cent who can flow with monosyllable rhymes but is a hopeless lyricist

okay about the eminem part u had

if eminem came on RB i bet yeh some people could beat him, but any audio head or textcee to lay a track and bring it out i think for sure that they would not make half as many records he sold when he first got signed...so being able to write text and do battles good doesnt meen u can lay a track and make a album and sell...its too different things..u cant compare the two

we have better lyrics but there
delivery makes them a lot better

I agree with the person who said it's not what em says, it's the way he says it. He's got a really unique rappin voice.
I also think a lot of us could write a battle verse a lot quicker than him too, coz we're used to it. I think in text a lot of us could beat him but in audio I think very few of us would beat him

Yes...but say someone on RB...had all the hype EM had
before droppin his ish...then it would sell, just like em...
In the music industry...its all about looks, sound and
money....there's no attempt at quality, unless your talkin
about production quality control...

1st...the futre 'star' is spotted, approached....he/she
will then get all excited..your manager is then roped
in by the agency w/ money (most managers are money grabbers)
The manager gets his cash and rights...then the agency draft out your contract....
The artist signs (almost everytime) and is left w/ a contract
legally binding...giving the agency complete control of your
music...how its presented...and how your presented...
To them you are a product...and they want to sell you..
..it doesnt matter who you are...as long as you sing/rap/play instrument or w/e
They pick out someone who looks right...because they believe
the public wont buy ugly peeps albums (alltho we would)
even if 500 kids said i wont ugly boy...they'd refuse...
because they are arrogant and ig'nent....the other reason
is they cant make as much off you for say..clothe's advertising
and what not if your ugly/fat or w/e

All that is needed to sell an artist is backing...by backing
i mean lots of cash...which unfortunatly...means..less space
in the market for Quality lyricists, vocalist's and instrumentalists

What i'm saying is...it doesn't matter who you are...
give the artist enough hype...and they will sell

This is what i have learnt from working in these area's
so i quit...my life is now dedicated to raising enough money
for my company...that will hopefully raise the bar on
actual talent within the industry......

Twizzle Stix Your Right Man .. its Soooo Frustrating How no one Cares About talent anymore

I'd murder eminem lyrically. He isn't even that great, his shit on newer album's has been pathetic.

yo Eminem wouldn't be stupid enough to waste his talent on text battles... and I think that it's easier to be a text writer than a good emcee... you can write something witty as hell but the flow would probably sound like shit... and some flows don't use complex wordplay or vocab and the flow is off the hook... and Eminem is a much better writer than most peeps that text - period. Any one who thinks otherwise is just plain nieve

listen to I'ma soldier by Em... lyrics, flow off the hook. Listen to Infinite by Em... you got to attach mental images to your lyrics with intelligently written and delivered rhymes that draw the person into your song... and you got to have flow.. personally, I don't think anyone that takes text seriously is real emcee anyway. Give me a mic and I'll freestyle - you can write whatever you want and try to spit it - and I'll murder you. Text aint shit

No, your just another of Eminem's growing groupie's thinking he is one of the greatest in hiphop, when you havent even heard many underground head's, you know their names, but truthfully - you don't listen to them in depth. If you did know a thing, you'd notice his flow isnt that great, lyrically he isn't that great and the only reason he is as succesful as he's been is due to good marketing and publicity.


Seriously.

yeah... sure I'll listen to a nobody from the net about how a successful emcee is just marketing hype.... shut the fuck up stupid. I don't even like EM but he is one of the best ever, period, and your just one of a growing group of haterz that cant stand to see someone better than them reap the glory. Fuck Em, fuck you, and WORD

and how the fuck do you know what I've heard... you're probably some little kid that thinks he's a fuckin rapper. you ain't shit

You have nothing to base your opinion on. One of the best ever? No. Maybe one of the most succesful, yes .. but he is far from the best. A lot of his success is due to the hype surrounding him and the way he's marketted, how can you not see that ? His recent appearence's on collab's and such have been sub par, the Can-I-Bitch track was probably his worst attempt to date and the upcoming D-12 track that leaked was weak even by their standards.

Okay, now your just being immature. Leave the thread please.

Arguing on the net is fuckin retarded, so I'm done with this.

Well if you talking texcees, ist not even comparable. Like stated before a lot of cats can WRITE dope as hell but when it comes to vocaly having it dope that shit is just as trash as anything, and those the same cats that wanna hate on the commercial cats and wonder why they ain't making it and can't constuct and compose and audiable SONG to save they life. Thats one of the most distictive and important quilities of an Emcee is his voice, flow and candence on the mic. If you don't have that you ain't no emcce. I don;t care how good you write.

It dosn't even make since to compare Your Lord and Savoir Eminem (thats what I call him now 'round these parts) to a textcee, becasue if you put what Your Lord and Savoir Eminem says on text it won't look that special, even though it my be a dope song in audio. But if you put a texcee in a studio with a mic and tell him to rip, lets saw how those "dope" lyrics come out then, alot of them cats can't flow if they was James Even's wife......

You can go do like Saul Williams and make a book of spoken word poetry and do that, but don;t go around running up on people calling yourself an emcee

^^^WORD

I listen to a ton of underground artists, and a lot of net audio heads as well. Many can compete lyrically and vocally with emcees like Eminem. But please, don't ever say Eminem isn't talented or good or even one of the best around. Because he is, his lyrics are dope along with his flow. Yes, there are better emcees undergound or on the net than him, but not many. Salvation is a dope audio head who could also murder many textcees as well. Not that I take much of this shit serious, but its easy to recognize talent. And I have to say my favorite underground artist is Immortal Technique. They're not totally underground, but they aren't very well known. But they're lyrics are amazing in every way. Download the song "Dance With The Devil" by them and you'll see why they are so dope. Trust . .

That song is embarassing.....nothing more than his fucking attempt to capitalize on the White Pac statements.....

let's see... who would I rather be if I had to choose....

some net nobody

or a rich, successful and dope emcee like Em.....

or me in the future...ha ha easy choice yo

Like I said before - many people can write a good song, many people can write complicated lyrics, many people can be clever and draw your attention in their writing - very few can PERFORM that writing.

Even if you can write cleverer punchlines, more multi's, or doper songs than a rapper like Eminem (I'm refering to 1996-2001 Eminem), which is believable to some extent, I SERIOUSLY doubt you can flow better than him, or have a better devilvery. So even if you can write well, if you can't perform well, it means jack shit. What're you gonna do, put up a huge billboard with your lyrics on them at a concert and play a beat in the background?

Of course image sells, but if your on the right label, then you can do your own thing anyway. Eminem was Slim Shady before Dre signed him, so he did his own thing with the Slim Shady and Marshall Mathers LP's. And Def Jux too - they're definately not going for what sells. Eminem was simply lucky that his style appealed in the mainstream, but that doesn't stop him being talented. It's when you do have potential, but you choose not to use it, like in 50 Cent's case (Power Of The Dollar was decent at least, unlike GRODT) that you become a "sellout". Other examples include Snoop Dogg.

So you get two bottom lines:

1. You gotta sound good as well as write good.
2. Talent should be judged on quality, not success.

Eminem's flow isn't great, and his delivery is average. I don't see how you guys can amp him up so much .. seriously ..

thank god some one brount it up i've been so ill lyrically but i found out it's not skill that does it

it's maisnteam shit
yo could be the best rapper in the world and not make it

look at royce 5'9 he a ill mother fuker and he not gettin his props and shit

but royce will make it, he's got the talent you need - the skills to write, flow & market - his market is just more of a niche market because most people that buy mainstream music don't put as much value on lyrical abilty as peeps like us - we appreciate it because we know what talent it really is to write well - but flow and delivery is just as important to make it, marketing is a must... but it's always easier to market good quality than just an image.

Because He's Not A Fag (Well He Might Be, I Don't Know) Named After An Internet Service (Nerd!) & His Skills Are Better Than Yours, Loser.....