life for a life can't be upheld.So if i shoot somebody who is raping my daughter then i should be shot? That is what you are saying with life for a life.

What are you doing with a gun in the first place? Well for a start it is more than likely that you wont be there when the actual rape takes place. You wouldn't find out untill after. Which is where my theory comes in. When i say life for a life i dont just mean murder, i also believe that if you ruin someones life seriously e.g. rape, your life should be taken. Therefore if the judicial system worked the rapist would be executed, so you wouldn't have to use your gun.

Alright lets begin with pucnhing holes in this.Ok now i have heard of this exact same scenerio happening, the guy walked in and shot the boy raping his daughter 7 times in the chest and head. Now if you say he deserves to do for ruining somebody's life, then the rapist can turn around and say "well i saw my father rape my mother many times and she never divorced him which in turn made me think rape was ok" so now you have to kill both of the kid's parents, the father for doing it, and the mother for letting it happen. I can go and shoot 30 people then say "somebody robbed me when i was a teenager so now i'm crazy so you have to kill that peson to"

I personally think that murder is definitally right in some cases. for instance, in Gunman's example, i reckon it would be perfectly ok for him to kill the rapist because said rapist is gonna give his kid some serious problems, fuck her head up for a long period of time and just generally ruin her life. she'd have problems trusting most men for the rest of her life. likewise, in some instances eye for an eye is fair. people who are just psychotic and kill for the pleasure of it, or to 'see what it's like' are all obviously insane, and tehy're gonna be no changing them. when tehy come out of jail that's it for them. in some cases though, punishment in a more long term fashion is nescessary. harold shipman for instance, took his own life to end his imprisonment. if he felt his life sucked enough to kill himself, it was a good punishment. a good way of punishing truly evil people, in my opinion tehn, is probably to just find out what they hate teh most in the world, and subject them to it. only in extreme cases though. as for somebody killing somebody who's robbing them at gunpinot when teh robber dropped the gun, that's not fair. somebody woudn't intentionally go out to kill somebody when they're mugging them. cos it's a crap idea. sometimes it does happen though. in this instance the best thing to do morally would be to scare the shit out of them and hope they never do it again. little known fact, but did nevody else know the moment you feel physically threatened by somebody, u can defend yourself. so if somebody tells you they're gonna break you're nose, ur legally entitled to use 'adequate' force to defend yourself. so u could, in fact, punch they're face in as long as you don't hit em whilst they're showing obvious signs of giving up. cool eh?

This question is extremely difficult to answer....there are many different factors eighing on my thought process when i think about it...first, I have my christian faith, which tells me that no one deserves to die, and that we arent apt to decide who does, Judge not lest ye be judged...then there are my morals..influenced partly by christianity and then my rational thoguht...morally i do not believe anyone deserves to die....also rationally i don't believe in the capitol punishment system or any other method of life extinguishment ( i know that's nt a word too tired to correct it) because, taking a life defeats thepurpose of punishment...being that we cannot conclusively know what's on the otherside, as a religious man, i believe that bad souls go to hell at death..goign to a christian school, im taugh that souls can be purified in purgatory, as a rational intellectual i believe that death is a release fromt he rigors of life and that there is nothing after and you simply cease to be...but my mind is conflicted enough over that...in which case death would be merciful and you don not want to show mercy to who u want to punish, if anythign you would want to torture them and prevent them from dying so would u know that they are sufferign not guessing abotu their eternal fate....but in the end, i just think that humans aren't intellectually advanced enough to truly understand death, and we shouldn't kill anybody...

There should be certain death consequences for certain actions.. child molestation ect.. but u can't just go blow somebodys head off and have that be cool

Evolution.

The more society and people evolve. The less they should have to kill. As new/higher forms of 'control' should be thought of/implemented.

So someone who would've been killed decades ago 'for the good of society'. Because he was an unrelenting threat to it in so many dimensions. Nowadays may not, because of better understanding and newer 'evolved' structures.

Along those lines anyway. A quick and brief observation.

Accountability for our actons is crucial in the social develoment of this and all nations. We should not embrace an ideology that allows the filth of our society free riegn over our lives. I for one understand the flaws in our judicail systems and the waste of tax payers dollars on convicted death row inmates and their seeminly limitless appeals. Although I do not think we should make matters worse by removing the system, I just think we need to improve it. This is a very tough question with no wong or right conclusion. We must try to improve the set back in the current sytem of justice and up hold the law. With or without the death penalty, people are commiting atrocities against thier fellow man/women/children. Now some much more radical than others, I think we need to set good examples and send a message out that our society is not going to tolerate this kind of behavior. There is no one solution, we need to fix the current system and look towards better ways of assesing and correcting such mental instability. In the mean time, fry those son's of bitched who harm children and mass amounts of people, they are beyond my pitty...

Quick Question: Do any of you believe in God ? Catholics? religious?
I hope you all answer no because you have some serious problems if you both think that people should die for some things AND you believe in God who teaches against that. Just stating my opinion. Nobody deserves to die. Lock prisoners up in jail forever.

^Feeble, did not the bible have a passage such as an eye for an eye. It was also filled with passeges about punishment for murder. NOT ONLY THAT BUT IT'S FILLED WITH BLOODY WARS WAGED IN THE NAME OF THE LORD. So if you take a theological approach to this issue, you have defeted your arguement. The majority of Christains push the legistation that puts criminals to death. I know it's kind of contridictory to their beliefs, but this is the case. They back poliltical figures who endorse the death penalty, yet sit in church on sunday. It hard to use the bible or religion as a measure on this subject. I mean God himself destroyed people, towns, cites, and the world, to punish those known to live in sin. It's a very hard topic to debate, ultimatly it boils down to the will of the people. In society today, people are disgusted with the likes of serial killings, mass murders and such. Society has allowed people, even religous people, to accept and live with the killing of such criminals.

Death Row..people are killed for malicious crimes..i don't think this is entirely right, doesn't the Bible state, 'Thou Shalt Not Kill?' that means, no man, should, under any circumstances, kill another man. Technically, though, thiscan be forgotton, paedophiles deserve to pay a hefty price for their crimes, its sick, they deserve to be tortured but kept alive so they can feel the extent of the pain..publically..and rapists should be shamed in front of the nation..murderers should also be shamed and imprisoned..but then..is imprisonment a worse punishment than public humiliation and torture?

I hate it when people take religious quotes and distort them out of context. Thus leading me to join this conversation. The passage "An Eye For An Eye And A Tooth For A Tooth" was stated in a parabolic context. Referring to an unrepentant sinner's punishment in Hell. It has nothing to do with literal physical retribution. As for the Bible being filled with passages referring to punishment for murder and wars waged in the name of the Lord. You are correct and incorrect. Correct in the sense that there were passages about punishment for murder. However, they were not under the consent of God. These were actions decided upon and fulfilled by men. The only war "in the name of the Lord" is Sodom and Gamorrah. Guess what, no human was killed by a fellow man. Moses tried to save the cities by finding 1 God fearing person. When it was determined none could be found, GOD...not man, destroyed the cities. As for the Walls of Jericho...there was no bloodshed. All the Christians did was march and sound their trumpets...the walls collapsed and the enemies inside surrendered. When pharoah chased Moses and the caravan of people...not one Roman was slain by the hand of man. The only wars waged in the name of the Lord that resulted in bloodshed by the Hands of men were the Crusaders and many other Catholic wars(other religions involved also). None of which are listed in the Bible...yet somehow get drawn into religious conversations. The only reference that might make your comment remotely feesible. Is the instance with David and Goliath. As for Christians pushing the death penalty etc. It's our sinful human nature. I for one am against it. However, there are many that back it. This also is out of religious context. You say a theological standpoint nullifies itself...however, you're incorrect. The theological standpoint has nothing to do with modern Christians actions. As for your comments about God destroying cities, towns, etc. Yes, he did. His commandments were placed for us as humans. He is the creator, Alpha and Omega, Almighty Lord, and thus the ultimate judge. Never once did he not say he would not judge humans and their actions. He decreed never should a human take the judgement into his own hands for it is not our place as a sinful being. Now....if you'd like to throw up a counter point, I'd be more than obliged to continue your argument. I could debate this all day long.

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Environment And Man, Old Testament Minor

Life Is Not Something That Is Meant To Be Taken From A Person By Another Human...
We As Humans Are Becoming Our Own Worst Enimies...
We Kill Each Other 4 Stupid Reasons Or 4 No Reason At All...
But I Believe That People Like Mass Murderers And Rapeists Should Be Dealt With Using Capital Punishment.....
Its The Only Way 4 Them To Get A Taste Of There Own Medicine....
Fry Bastards Fry!

I'm all for the moral argument that killing is wrong. and in a perfect world there would be no capitol punishment. But this ain't no perfect world.

The problem with the death penalty in my opinion is that it isn't applied quickly enough. Call me a bastard but housing death row inmates in secluded prison cells for years, years while they file endless appeals is a waste. Why? Because it cost a shitload of money. Money that could be better spent on other people.

For example, the money spent keeping 5 death row inmates alive for 5 years could be used instead to keep 5 kids with cancer alive for 5 years. Who derserves the extra years of life more. The kids, or the guy who rapes n murders kids.

The fact is we don't have an endless pot of gold to help everybody with and so the government has to make desicions on who lives and who dies. Whether we inject a needle, or refuse to donate funds to sick people (or homeless, or crack babies, etc) both are desicions on who is going to live and who dies.

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