rofl @ this thread...

you guys are pathetic...

...just let tha truth be told

All rappers now that are big are better then probably everyone on here. They know what they are doing, have the skills, just certain things come in demand and they do that to get peoples attention... if gettin 'crunk' is what people want then that is what they will do.

trust if any of you got that 1 mil deal, or even 80 thou, and they told you to put out a couple mainstream tracks, and then you can do anything you want with the rest, then you'd do it. You sacrifice a couple tracks of mediocrity, and then make the rest your own shit. You understand? Like fat joe album loyalty, that shit was very street, but he put out his lil commercial shits, to get it bought. his last batch of discs have been this way, ever since he could get his foot in the door. which is cool.

First you have to realize the difference between hip-hop and rap. Hip Hop has to do with mostly head banging like Ying Yang Twins, but rap is more like twista or cannibus.

true butthere are famous rappers that are makin it big because of connections,their deleverance of their oice like dmx or ying yang twins, but got no lyricism like us young cats these days, but im not saying all of em are like that just a few.

The Only Thing That You Need To Do To Be Mainstream Is Be Noticed, And Be A Fucking Commodity.. If You're A Commodity, Then You're Going To Bring In Money If You Have Skill Or Not.. Hip Hop Is Going Down Hill Because Of The Structure Of The Bureaucracy And The Commercialism Of The Tradition..
My Lil Brother Can Rhyme Better Than Chingy, But Chingy Is A Commodity, And Is Used For His Wierd Voice And Charm..
Eminem Has Skill, But He Is Also A Commodity Because He's A White Rebel..
This Draws Attention To Him, And Stirs Contraversey.. America Thrives Off Contraversy..
But The Real Talent Is Underground Hip Hop.

Benefit
Immortal Technique
Mc Juice
Crooked I

On An On And On The List Goes, But They Refuse To Be Commodities And Are Independant.. It Is Actually A Smarter Way Of Doing Things...
But Lyrically, The Mainstream Only Has Nas, Kanye Has Good Content, Just Not Too Lyrical.. So The Mainsteam Won't Put Emphasis On Lyrics And Insight Tho, They Need To Produce What Lil Kids Will Buy, And What Brain Washed Trend Followers Want. So You Have Whack Mc's Running The Mainstream..

^agreed.. but i also see some of the mainstreamers that have talent but cant use it due to the public outcry for dumb shit... like Ludachris.. he could probably have been a nice emcee.. i bump his shit sometimes.. but he aint as lyrical as he could have been/like to be... but what ever gets the cake...

I'd like to add the Rhyme Sayers crew to that list.

oh yea, there is way more..

eyedea, diabolic, Supernatural, Vakill, Locksmith, Aesop Rock.. much more