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L. Veracity 09-19-05 11:14 AM

I'm 22 (almost 23) years old Nos...

La Cosa Nostra 09-19-05 11:14 AM

Oye... Im 19...*shrugs*

Artik Phrost 09-19-05 11:44 AM

I say Rap is a Form of poetry....Just like R&B songs are....Its A way to express yurself through verse....Yu cant say that because the artist isnt rhyming deep or wahtever, taht it isnt poetry....There is no ONE WAY to write a poem.... Therefore, Yu cannot say sumone isnt writting it "properly".....unless its completely off....like yu writing a novel or sum shit like taht

It has nothing to do with wehn Rap was born .vs. when Poetry was born....Becuase its true Literature was born well before, Yet poetry is a form of it....



Quote:
Originally Posted by Nostradamus
Poetry when done correctly, is not something that is designed to be implemented into rap or music for that matter.


^incorrect sweety

POETRY(only a few definitions of it..to counter taht statement)
-Prose that resembles a poem in some respect, as in form or sound.
-A quality that suggests poetry, as in grace, beauty, or harmony: the poetry of the dancer's movements

poetry it can be abstract as aswell


Bottom line is:...POETRY DOES NOT HAVE A CONCRETE SET OF GUIDELINES....and RAP DOES fall into a catagory of Poetry....its a genre of it...despite the content...cuz i've read deep/on the surface poems...

La Cosa Nostra 09-19-05 12:41 PM

Well shit, guess what everyone..

According to arktic frost.
Fictional books are poems... Conversation transcripts are poems... Movie scripts are poems... The bible is a poem... The Quran is a poem... My msn name is a poem... My rap name is a poem... This button under my post saying "Post quick reply" is a poem..

Where does it end? Poetry must have guidelines to define the nature of poetry itself. The definitions you gave imply this clear as day and prove my point. I have said poetry can be used as a form of rap, however in no way does rap fall into a catagory of 'poetry', that is obsurd..

Look at lyrics that brag and mess around.. As quoted in part of my other thread some of my rap lyrics that have no relation to poetry at all:

I'm a metaphorical erasor, slash you with a razor.
Till a warm gash of blood grubs the face of.
Some gay cunts; & thats the case study done.
So fucking run; I got another gun thats my other lung.
You bloody nuns; I'll give the crowd what they came for.
Pick a straight whore; rip her brains raw with a chain saw.
Still remain all; ruthless to leave ya crew toothless.
Like two kids; acting stupid in a booth with.
The illest rappers around; quick damage ya town.
With hammers that pound an activist down.
You cat'll be ground, by my rhyme morter and pestle.
On-board with the best crew, dopium all gonna test you.
And yeah;
I'm at it again; back like an addict with pens.
Smackng ya friends; with these raps that offend.

When you try and explain to me how this rap fits into the catagory of poetry. I will give you a cookie........

My point remains true to what I've been saying this whole way through..

Poetry can be used as rap to a certain extent, but acting like rap is a form of poetry is naieve as hell..

Oh hey, by the way "As in form or sound" Is refering to being vocally spoken. Not instrument/s playing with a drum beat...

Artik Phrost 09-19-05 12:45 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by Notradamus
According to arktic frost.
Fictional books are poems... Conversation transcripts are poems... Movie scripts are poems... The bible is a poem... The Quran is a poem... My msn name is a poem... My rap name is a poem... This button under my post saying "Post quick reply" is a poem..


^i never said that yu fuckin idiot...READ MY STATEMENT CAREFULLY

Quote:
Originally Posted by Artik Phrost
Therefore, Yu cannot say sumone isnt writting it "properly".....unless its completely off....like yu writing a novel or sum shit like taht


-see taht is exactly why people like yu shouldnt comment on topics taht require thought...

Dabatos 09-19-05 12:47 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by Ysdat
A good poem helps to change the shape and significance of the universe,
helps to extend everyone's knowledge of himself and the world around him.”

-Dylan Thomas

When I think of this philosopher's remarks about poetry, something like a treatise on aesthetics comes to mind. At a minimum,I expect a rigorous examination of the characteristics that define “poetry”,the differences between kinds of poetry (epic, tragic, lyric, comic, and so forth). The senses in which poetry is and is not bound to representation, imitation, expression ,all possible connotations of the classical Greek word “mimesis” , as well as fiction. These complicated terms themselves require careful definition. Equally penetrating and systematic remarks about the small differences between poetry and other art forms, especially rap music, would be in order, as would reflection on the relation between orally delivered poetry , and poetry communicated through the written word.


Is it just me or was that effin hard as hell to understand? :huh: but yeah.. rap for sure is poetry..

La Cosa Nostra 09-19-05 12:48 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by Artik Phrost
^i never said that yu fuckin idiot...READ MY STATEMENT CAREFULLY

I read your post exactly how you wrote it.

If you meant something else than what I replied to. Word it better "yu fukin idiot..."

You said poetry is an expression and has no guidelines..
The button under my post is expressing to me that I can use it to post a reply... My name is expressing metaphorically my interest for the future, a conversation transcript is expressing the feelings of speaking participants, the bible... ha, you tell me what thats expressing..

I think you know exactly where I'm comming from..

Dabatos 09-19-05 12:49 PM

oh and nos.. poetry is also sed on drum beats.. Last Poets.. looked them up ;)

La Cosa Nostra 09-19-05 12:50 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by Dabatos
oh and nos.. poetry is also sed on drum beats.. Last Poets.. looked them up ;)

But the poetry itself isnt in the drum beats dude...

................................:mad:

Dabatos 09-19-05 12:52 PM

lol... yeah but its sed over a drum beat :) hahaha... ahh w/e.. i dont care if poetry isnt rap or is rap.. i still luv rap.. woo hoo IM COOL!

L. Veracity 09-19-05 12:55 PM

it doesn't have to be on the beat itself to be considered rap or poetry...rap is believed to be a FORM of poetry in many, if not MOST circles...

poetry has a natural flow, so does rap
poetry eXpresses feelings or views of the individual, so does rap
poetry contains imagery and word twisting, so does rap
poetry contains metaphors, so does rap

therearemany more similarities I can go on and on about...but honestly, every aspect of rap is also found in poetry, they are VERY related...

Artik Phrost 09-19-05 12:55 PM

Quote:
Oh hey, by the way "As in form or sound" Is refering to being vocally spoken. Not instrument/s playing with a drum beat...


^vokally spoken?....is that NOT waht RAP IS???....



Quote:
Poetry can be used as rap to a certain extent, but acting like rap is a form of poetry is naieve as hell..



^how is it naive??....its a fuckin genre of poetry.....Just like...yu got different genres of literature....

La Cosa Nostra 09-19-05 01:03 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by L. Veracity
it doesn't have to be on the beat itself to be considered rap or poetry...rap is believed to be a FORM of poetry in many, if not MOST circles...

poetry has a natural flow, so does rap
poetry eXpresses feelings or views of the individual, so does rap
poetry contains imagery and word twisting, so does rap
poetry contains metaphors, so does rap

therearemany more similarities I can go on and on about...but honestly, every aspect of rap is also found in poetry, they are VERY related...

I'm not gonna bother replying to arktic frost as the lady got no idea what shes babbling on about..

But yeah, this is true.. They can be related, but rap is still in itself, its own art, its a myth that rap is simply just a form of poetry. Contrary to what some hip hop heads believe, rap is not only about lyricsm... Rappers create music. And certain styles of rap have nothing to do with poetry... You know what I'm saying?

Relation - yes
Under the catagory of poetry - hell no

L. Veracity 09-19-05 01:16 PM


at the core in it's ORIGINAL form rap is a DIRECT reflection of poetry...there is darker more morbid poetry that can be considered along the lines of the style that Eminem (whom you afformentioned) raps in...not everything that's classified as poetic has to be something soft...there are so many aspects of rap and poetry that are the same, the only real difference is that rap is performed directly to the pattern of the beat itself...to me that is the ONLY difference in the two and that does not mean that rap is rap and poetry is poetry...rap is a FORM of poetry at it's core...no matter what your content is...

does that mean every rapper can write poetry and every poet can rap?...no...not every rapper can write without it being to the pattern of an actual beat in order for it to be a rap and not every rapper can NOT write to a beat and have flow without a beat moving them...

but rap is STILL a genre of poetry...just like movies...not everyone can do horror flicks, some people do dramas, and vice versa...

Acuity 09-19-05 01:23 PM

If Rap was Poetry...why are they called different things!

Krunk has similar elementa of hiphop..it is not HIPHOP...that is why it is called Krunk..


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