Lol well UK is better. But US is a young country who started being industrialized by a few of UK's ignorant people. =/ So for US to say we're better then ya'll would be like saying you're better then someone who taught you everything you know.

i ain't with you on that...

jus coz there's more white people and other races in hip hop venues it doesn't mean for a second that shit isn't as bad over here as over there...it's just means in my point of view that hip hop as a culture is more relaxed and more accepting towards other peoples of race and diversity...but you still got racist wankers out there...i mean KKK got 4 well known units in the UK i read up the other day...you see how many people are members of that KKK site i showed RV?...and a lot of of UK origin too...

tell me where i said, it doesnt exist in this country????

i only used the hip hop culture thing as an EXAMPLE to prove my point.

look at our schools, more multi-cultural than american, american schools are mostly again seperated into race.

look at where people live, one again, they are multi-cultured.

america.. near enough all the run down places in america are populated by black people, thats something down to the government e.t.c

look at the council estates in our country... white, black, indian, asian populated... generally all living togeather rather than seperated into different areas for each race

the list is endless... the police over here are alot less likely to have bad actions due to discrimination.

the problem in this country is actually extremely minor compared to what its like in countries like america.

my family/relatives consist of white, black and indian.... i coud use so many examples to prove my point, but you obviously didnt take my EXAMPLE for what it was... an EXAMPLE.

Na not at all...i know racism here n all jus sometimes...the race card isn't needed ya feel me?

See if america was more like the UK I'd have alot more country pride. UK seems alot more mature. But our problems make our music illy. :cool:

but our more open mind, makes our music more diverse, more original and alot more enjoyable.

for example

in america a white guy jumps on stage n says suttin like "america just witnessed u loose to a white guy" in a battle verse, ppl would laugh n be like "this kids got balls" e.t.c

but if that happened over here, that dude would get heckled n taunted n be dissed to fuck.

meaning that you have to come more creative when it comes to your battle verses.. meaning more skill is needed :thumbup:

Yeah that's actually true. Lol Over here everyone mentions race. "yeah I'm a white rapper!" *audience goes OOOOOOOOO*

wow you deffo get mad when people don't see ya point...jus coz we all living together it don't mean we're ALL happy people...what i'm trying to say and i do hear you when you say it's minor to U.S.A...but not minor...

Racial tension in my area is mad...asians only hang around wit Asians coz we used to have turf wars in Broadfield area coz Asian folk was takin ground and makin it their own...the amount of African people in Crawley now is astronomical to what it was 2-3 years ago...i hear people talkin angrily about how immigrants and people from other countries get better benefits and how they ain't need to work coz they over here and get a house straight off get grants...and we're left to struggle...believe me i know...

it's a lot easier now here though but some people are still angry as fuck coz basically this country is our home and they get more rights...but again some is racial tension others are pissed @ the way the government handles this ish...so i do see what you mean i'm jus saying...it's more bad than you make out and i'm saying it how i see it ain't no readin up facts and ish

leady...imo, it isnt that the racial situation isn't as "bad" as US, it is simply the fact that the proportion of black populus in the US is multiple times gretaer than that in UK, therefore incidents are secluded to certain areas...tell mans in southall that racial tension is a myth, or tell blacks in inner city london that thay have equal rights and watch them laugh...discrimination, stereotype, prejudice in UK against blacks and ethnic minorities is still there ...BELIEVE ME...it is simply 1) british ppl love to sweep shit under the carpet 2) level of high-end crime in UK is miniscule compared to that of America, therefore anything that does happen is a media frenzy...

Mad Dog..do NOT be NAIVE, ur cleverer than that...cops beating up white suspects is defienently an occurance but i can GURANTEE it will not happen as readily as white police beating up a black suspect...ur a fool if u think otherwise...

Your whole..."lets not differntiate between races" crap, is exactly whats wrong with Britain, brits love to sweep shit under the carpet and pretend everything is sweet and daisy, get zi fook outta here, thats why crime, guns n racial tension in many areas is increasing...when Diane Abbot (black female MP for Hackney)...told police "guns are flooding our innerc ity ares which unfortunately are primarily black" their chief replied "i don't care, doesnt matter as long as they are not shooting at my men"...because he assumed it was jus dumb ass niggaz shootin up dumb ass niggaz,,,now that white youts r dieing every in UK wants to blame hiphop and black artists, get the fook oudda here....


P.S - im lean :thumbup:

wow you deffo get mad when people don't see ya point...jus coz we all living together it don't mean we're ALL happy people

where did i say that we are???

"Racial tension in my area is mad...asians only hang around wit Asians coz we used to have turf wars in Broadfield area coz Asian folk was takin ground and makin it their own...the amount of African people in Crawley now is astronomical to what it was 2-3 years ago...i hear people talkin angrily about how immigrants and people from other countries get better benefits and how they ain't need to work coz they over here and get a house straight off get grants...and we're left to struggle...believe me i know..."

the reason people say that is because its true.... thats our governments fault though, not the immigrants fault.. if the government said no, or said you have to earn you living then this problem wouldnt exist, but they dont. but just because people talk about something like, does not make them racist which kinda goes away from the topic we are stating.... i used to live in west bowling in bradford, it is now run by people of indian nationality(or pakistani or which ever other one as theres too many to list).. but it used to be run by whites and black, who both stuck togeather, and there was even alot of indian families who stuck with whites and didnt hold no racial boundaries, just the odd families that did which created the problems.

"it's a lot easier now here though but some people are still angry as fuck coz basically this country is our home and they get more rights...but again some is racial tension others are pissed @ the way the government handles this ish...so i do see what you mean i'm jus saying...it's more bad than you make out and i'm saying it how i see it ain't no readin up facts and ish"

this refers to my other comment.. it isnt racial disgrimination, its just aggression towards the government because of what they do. i know in leeds when they had immigrants moving into leeds, they gave them homes and a small amount to get them by, but the council stated they had to find a job within 3 months or they loose the home and have to pay back the money. and that they would be checking up with the places of work in order to see they are working properly e.t.c e.t.c.... so our council basically did its best to make sure everybody got equal treatment... but once again thats not a racial issue... its a political issue.... race can be a problem here.... but unlike america you can walk into any area of england and you dont worry bout the racial devide... u just worry about anybody attacking from any race rather than it being "will a black man jump me" or "will a white man jump me" or w/e

I feel you. But, what we need to understand is that the issue of race does come up sometimes in this country. I've always felt like this. No one, NO ONE can hold me down, white or black. I really don't care if the Grand BASTARD of the Ku Klux Klan doesn't like me because of my golden brown skin. I'm only concerned with what's due me. By that I mean this. If I work for a white man, anyman, for 5 hours at a rate of 5 dollars an hour, GIVE ME MY 25 dollars at the end of the day. That's all there is to it. Anyone who allows themselves to be hindered because of superficial and trivial traits such as skin color, or uses that as a crutch needs to reevaluate their strategy. The glass ceiling is real. But, remember, it's made out of "GLASS" and glass can shatter eaasily.


Nuff said

acuity.. i read this and stopped reading

"tell mans in southall that racial tension is a myth, or tell blacks in inner city london that thay have equal rights and watch them laugh...discrimination, stereotype, prejudice in UK against blacks and ethnic minorities is still there ...BELIEVE ME"

why did i stop reading/??? you totally missed my point... i never once stated it doesnt exist.. i said the level of it is not that bad, especially compared to america... theres a difference.

jesus, i wish people would read properly before tryna comment on something i said.

aiight here, I can admit that sometimes I see people (Indian, Asian, sometimes Hispanic) people owning businesses and I'm like, why is it that people in the "hood" with businesses aren't even black people?...or people that own businesses PERIOD...people rom other countries come here and do well for themselves, but people that have lived here all their lives don't have the same opportunities...

morethan likely it's not even that we don't HAVE the same opportunities, we just don't KNOW that we have opportunities to get money from the government just as an immigrant coming here does...iono how they be gettin' all that money to start up shops and stuff, I have no idea...I just wish that people in thisdamn country that were born and raised here were made readily aware of their opportunities...

but that's totally off the topic of race *shrugs*

wow a real discussion here...UK pop and US pop is different = stats on US racial crimes would be higher in statistics...yes

i ain't sayin everthings hunky dorey as well...infact what i was saying is sometimes people shouldn't use the race card so easily when there could be another or deeper reason...

Leady again i didn't mean you to think the whole immigrant thing was racial...i know it's political but some people reflect their anger on immigrants...because it's them claiming and shit...not paying taxes and blah...

Keepin it simple coz my head hurts lol