Music is subjective. Us being rappers, we can probably see flaws in flow or lyrics..

But to average dudes, people like 50 cent are the best lyricists they've ever seen. How many normal people listen to canibus, and compare it with kanye, coming to the conclusion kanye is wack... Not many, if any. All they hear is a nice delivery, a nice beat, and nice lyrics, when in reality kanye's shit is average.

no, YOUR SHIT IS AVERAGE.
Kanye West is one of the dopest out right now.

your multies are dope yo lol

Jeez dont get your panties in a bunch. From an objective view of the rap game as a whole, kanye is average.

thanks. I like your delivery :thumbup:

who's the hottest person out right now?
Young Jeezy
Lil Wayne
T.I.

compare them to Kanye West.

you know what.....you aren't musically educated enough to see how unimpressive kanye west is.....I tell people all the time "people don't like kanye, they like his beats".....I know you don't understand what lyrical talent is..an don't care to understand....you jus wanna bob ya head....put it like this.......kanye CANNOT carry a beat....his beats carry him.....this is same reason paul wall, mike jones, an all that trash sells.....kanye has mastered nothing.......he uses the same sing songy flow every song....draging on his rhyme words...uses no multies.....he uses same delivery every song....he has essentially NO quoteable lines...no classic albums or classic songs......but he does have nice beats......an picks ill singers to collab with...u listen to kanye an come away with absolutely nothing....but hey if thats what floats ya boat...more power to ya

Im not talking about this through some small scope of "who is out now," as you put it. Out of the cats that get radio play presently, yeah kanye is probably the best. But out of those who got a lot of radio play in the past, those who dont get radio play, and underground rappers of the past and present, kanye is average. I dont restrict myself to putting up with the shit they play on the radio.

I try and tell this to kryo..

But he doesent listen... I wouldnt waste too much of ya time on him bro..

yeah kanye does have some quotable lines that line he used on that Last call song

The "Maynoise Colored Benz pushin Miracle Whips" that line was real nice

lol yea....will man...i honestly DO listen to kanye.....but as far as being the dopest?...nahhhh.....

i just think he's better than most mainstream artists...which isnt saying a lot...but i do think hes good for rap

with this thread i was just trying to point out that some people need to switch the direction of their elevation....a lot of cats focus only on their lyrics...when they also need to focus on delivery, presence, and flow.......but they just dont realize that for some reason....

thats all i was trying to say....wasnt trying to spark any arguments here lol

do have any idea how many times miracle whip has been flipped?.....this nigga used a miracle whip flip years after the product had been discontinued, shit method man was doing miracle whip flips in 97, an he was doing it in freestyles at that, kanye had to sit down an think hard to come up wit dat shit lol, how u gon come wit a concept from 97 in 2003 an have it been considered quoteable? u gotta be kidding me......shit, I could show u tru quoteable lines but if thats ill to you....I'd have to spend an hour explaining to u what it means.

If you dont consider these lyrics, then I dont know what the hell are

I get down for my grandfather who took my momma
Made her sit that seat where white folks aint wanna us to eat
At the tender age of 6 she was arrested for the sit in
With that in my blood i was born to be different
Now niggas can't make it to ballots to choose leadership
But we can make it to Jacob and to the dealership
That's why I hear new music
And i jus dont be feelin it
Racism still alive they jus be consealin it
But i know they don't want me in the damn club
They even made me show I.D to get inside of Sam's club
I did dirt and went to church to get my hands scrubbed
Swear I've been baptised at least 3 or 4 times
But in the land where nigga's praise
Yukons and getting paid
It gon take a lot more than coupons to get us saved
Like it take a lot more than do-rags to get your waves
Notin sadder than that day my girl father past away
So i promised to MR.rany i'm gonna marry your daughter
And u know i gotta thank u for they way that she was brought up
And i know that u were smiling when u see that car i bought her
And u sent tears from heaven when u seen my car get balled up
But i can't complaint what the accident did to my left eye
Cuz look what a accident did to left eye
First Aaliyah and now romeo must die
I know a got angels watchin me from the other side

I even took the liberty of boldin the "quotables" even though the entire verse is dope and filled to the brim with lyrics, and his emotion and delivery is remarkable.

I agree...I was conversating wit a friend a mine about this.....u find alot of katz really obsessed wit lyrics....have wack flow, an no delivery or presence.......basically the knock on lyricists is they dun kno how to entertain...an entermainment is a big part of music.....BUT rap is a artform first an foremost...an what makes u a good rapper, we not even talking great...jus to be a good one........u gotta have a combination of flow, delivery, presence, an good lyrics.....if u missing any of those aspects....u aint a rapper period.

yeah yeah but u see..i aint seekin that "i put ya brains on a chain now i'm rockin ya smarts" u know that kinda stuff is dumb(quoted from someone dope cant say who)