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Indeph 11-23-05 05:41 PM

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Originally Posted by theblob
#1...God has 2 "plans" call his PERFECT and his PERMISSIVE will


#2...You have to understand the notion of where hell is in relation to heaven and earth...Dimensionally speaking, hell is between heaven and earth, not beneath it like most people think. Therefore, when you pray, blessings have to literally travel though the 2nd heaven (known as HELL) to reach Earth. That's why so many blessings get held up...There are spiritual rules to these things.


#3...Birds didn't require rescue...FISH obvisously didn't require rescue. And, everyone knows that many animals became extinct. Noah fit what he could in the ark. God did the rest.


#4...Everything that has been mentioned in the bible happens NOW...We read stories about great floods in the bible and say "WOW, that COULD NOT HAVE HAPPENED." Then, we see God work in Katrina and still say, "NAH, THAT WASN'T GOD." We read stories about people being miraculously healed of their diseases. Then, we hear them now and go, "THAT MUST be a hoax." Fact is, MAN is hardheaded and doesn't know what to believe. God is real. Jesus is real. PERIOD.



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So if we're following god's plan we don't have free will do we? If its all part of the plan.. And things just don't happen. And eh @ ppl being healed miraculously. If that was true then that means god plays favorites and lets other people die.

L. Veracity 11-23-05 05:42 PM

it's all about faith...personally, I'd rather have faith in a book written by men INSPIRED BY GOD than just some lame brained idea a pee brained mere mortal decides to depict from his little sorry ass eXistance...I'm kewl on that

noname 11-23-05 05:45 PM

Bah..just find your own belief,stick with it...and shut up..

Compose 11-23-05 05:53 PM

^Fuckin werd...imo it doesnt matter what god you believe in as long as you believe in something and is a good person, once you have that just leave it alone and stop trying to tell everyone your religion is right and shit

peace

Crossword 11-23-05 06:19 PM

fuck any structured belief system...

faith is all we need...
when you put rules onto faith, you get extremists...
when you get people that believe that much, you get hatred and intolerance...
when you get intolerance, you get war...


no, im not saying every single one of you catholics/christians/jews/muslims/etcetcetc... are hateful and want to kill...
but you see whats going on in th world...

Sean Gunner 11-23-05 07:27 PM

My grandpa saw angels coming for him before he died. That made me believe beyond anything else. I actually had proof after believing for years. Honestly, belief is just belief, period. Some people need proof because of being screwed over before. I trust in God, and honestly with all these party cities being trashed, I think it's time people realized that we are gonna pay for sins. People will tell you "You sound so stupid" or "How do you believe in an invisible God?" I just do. I believe there is a higher diety than man and he will reward us or destroy us, which either way you go, you'll see the truth eventually.

Ysdat 11-23-05 07:39 PM

The argument about this is open ended,there is no right or wrong.
But all in all, we all can agree that religion is the causer of alot of agruments worldwide,it creates alot of tension and in the end isnt physically fixing it,but adding to the many issues the world is facing today.

Stop praying and do somthing!!

Phenom-in-all 11-23-05 08:45 PM

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Originally Posted by L. Veracity
it's all about faith...personally, I'd rather have faith in a book written by men INSPIRED BY GOD than just some lame brained idea a pee brained mere mortal decides to depict from his little sorry ass eXistance...I'm kewl on that

co-sign. No religion gives all the answers in black and white. But to me christianity gives them the most accuratley with the most proof. As far as the rest - all I need is faith. word.

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Red Stroke 11-23-05 08:50 PM

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Originally Posted by A'Cred
Now no religious people come in here badmouthing me, but this is why I seriously doubt shit from that religion.


1.If anything bad happens its the devil, but the reason god let it happen was its part of his plan. So the devil making something happen is part of his plan?

Reason For This, The Lord Is Testing Your Temptation

2. When you pray for shit, they say it might take a while, but god will help. Well DUH if you stick with it long enough its bound to happen.

God Can't Only Focus On What You Want He Has Alot Of Things To Do Help The One's That Are In Need

3.The noahs ark story. He can fit every single animal on earth by two on a boat..

At The Time There Wasn't Evolution So There Was Only The Main Animals, Over Time Animals Evolve Breath With Different Species


4. alot of other shit

Like What?


Now this has been eating at me. Cause I can't let my earthly logic fuck with me on this type of subject.. but I dunno because MAN can lie. Anything made by man can be a lie. I mean seriously I could start a religion now and if you were raised on it since birth you would be as hardcore as most of the religious people now. Someone save me/give me feedback on this.



Read The Bolded places

La Cosa Nostra 11-23-05 10:10 PM

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Originally Posted by A'Cred
Now no religious people come in here badmouthing me, but this is why I seriously doubt shit from that religion.


1.If anything bad happens its the devil, but the reason god let it happen was its part of his plan. So the devil making something happen is part of his plan?

2. When you pray for shit, they say it might take a while, but god will help. Well DUH if you stick with it long enough its bound to happen.

3.The noahs ark story. He can fit every single animal on earth by two on a boat..

4. alot of other shit

Now this has been eating at me. Cause I can't let my earthly logic fuck with me on this type of subject.. but I dunno because MAN can lie. Anything made by man can be a lie. I mean seriously I could start a religion now and if you were raised on it since birth you would be as hardcore as most of the religious people now. Someone save me/give me feedback on this.

There is a scientific explenation for god.

The bible is there to give advice and be the basis for a large portion of the world's religion. Look, not everything in the bible is to be taken 100% literally, a lot of it employs metaphors and hidden meanings.

Like the creation story.. Those events actually happened, however the day reference is closer to 5-10 million years. Give or take. Noah's arc may not have been a boat. But the flood definatly did happen. It actually changed the set up of the world's continents.

See, everything has a scientific approach to discover the cause and effect of historical events. To truely understand religion, one must understand what the world was like back at the dawn of humanity and understand the events which took place in order for us to be here right now.

Humans were once animals. The tree of knowledge, expanded our intelligence and gave us the ability to understand right from wrong. This was not because we ate some fruit, this was because we evolved our species to the point where we came to a higher level of concience.

The study of how we came to be began back then. There has always been a sense of god because we live in a universe that is, in effect; god. Christianity is the study of this connection we have to the universe. However they, like many religions are not looking at anything literally anymore. They have a good message and they do their job to prevent the world from going downhill and forgetting about our connection to the universe compleatly. But this does not mean they are right 100% of the time. They are ofcourse, only human.

No religion these days is devine.
They simply have a job to uphold the knowledge of god.
However,
In the comming era, religion will change greatly. But thats to understand when it happens.


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