they can be bullshit hip hop. but they are still hip hop.

so you would say the same for vanillah ice

um yes? .. are you missing the whole point of the thread? ..vanilla ice was a rapper..so he WAS part of the hip hop community. whether whack or not.

^^vanilla ice had zero involvement in the hip hop comunity. He created an image and sold it to you in rhyme. That's 0% hip hop and 100% "Rap".

plus rap was something created by the industry so i dont consider it a element
if that was the case then producer would be considered hip hop

locknes, word up lol. I was just saying that in another thread, that "Rap" is a product that was engineered by big business in the likeness of HipHop.

exactly its just half these kids dont do there research on hip hop

^^It's not that they don't do it, it's that they don't even know what it is. It's not their fault, it's the bullshit that they're being pumped 24/7.

rap is an element of hip hop which means he took part in the hip hop community. why make it more difficult going to the image and blahzay?.
now if Vanilla Ice were some big time DJ back then and had as much credibility as he did when he was rapping would u say he wasnt hip hop because he created an image and sold it through his scratching abilities? no matter how you look at it....Rapping=taking part in the hip hop culture. reguardless.

if you had any understanding for what hip hop was or any love for hip hop you wouldnt strip other artists from being hip hop because your opinion is that they are whack. Do you consider yourself hip hop? If you do WHY?

Have you ever seen the type of lyrics cats like kool herc and them spit?


Their shit was simple as fuck, type of shit that if a group came out with it these days, they wouldnt even be taken seriously............ But cats would swear to you they are real hip hop... And thats because they are....

Hip hop is the culture of graffing...blah blah blah(you already know)..blah, emceeing << and thats what these cats are doing, reguardless of how badly they are doing it.

lmfao are u serious?
Producers ARE considered hip hop.

cant be fucked readin through this thread.
but I have just heard dl4 track.
they are not hip hop.
Its like saying JC real is hip hop cause he rhymes words over a beat.
I repeat d4l or what ever the fuck they call themself are not hip hop.

Merk, nah to be real I feel you have a gross misconception of what hip hop is. RHYMING is hiphop. RAPPING is "rhyming" so you think it's hip hop, it's not. I could go on and on but I feel I already have in a lot of respects.

Nos, cool herc lmao, yeah you're right, he was uber ABC even for an 80's "rapper". But people knew he was hip hop and you're aboslutely right.

ysday, exactly man. it's one of those things like..."if you have to ask..you'll never know" lol. damn I never thought something liek that existed till right now.

for anyone who wants to continue the discussion it's pretty much liek this:


if someone wouldn't be in the lab rhyming if nobody bought their records, they're rappers.
if someone would still be in the lab rhyming even though no one bought their records, they're hip hop.