say what????

you're kidding right?

care to elaborate?

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There are things some people consider "deep" than I think are mundane, and maybe vice versa. It's all subjective. It all depends on your education and experiences.

But rap is hip hop. how can people seperate the two.. hip hop purist vs rappers? no such thing should have even been developed no matter how intellectual and deep one is with hip hop or not. Graffers=Hip hop,DJ's=Hip Hop,Bboys-Girls=hip hop..so why is certain rap NOT being considered hip hop just because of lyrical content or just because of the lack of impact in the hip hop community??..its still rap. which is part of hip hop. which in fact would mean rap is hip hop..hip hop is the movement and culture.

true, but why internalize it? Its like if someone was rapping about Rocket Science. The heneral concensus is gonna say "this is deep" but a rocket scientist is gonna say it's mundane.


guess how it's gonna end up being classified.

Deep.

Just cuz the rocket scientist comes out and says it mundane isn't gonna make everyone else say it's not "Deep Music".

It's everybodys own opinion on what you think.
As for me I'd rather be a mainstream getting crunk with lil' Jon.
YEAYAA!!!

Rap is NOT Hip Hop. You just hit on the main point and didn't realize it, Rap is UNDER Hip Hop, it's an off-shoot of Hip Hop, rap is not "Hip Hop". When I say "Hip Hop" I mean Hip Hop MUSIC. The MUSIC that fuels all those other movements like grafitti and b-boying, scratching, etc which are not music at all. Hip Hop is the music they revolve around. Rap is the commercialized clone of Hip Hop.


Hip Hop has nothing to do with: Intellect, lyrical ability, public impact, etc. That's the point. Hip Hop is not about status. Rap is all about status. "look at what I got, look at me, I get all the bitches I'm thugged out!!" that's the image. Hip Hop is not about an image.

okay but you say hip hop music...what is hip hop music....i thought it was rap.right? so how can u say its a commercialized clone of hip hop when hip hop music IS rap. its not country its not pop. Hip hop music IS rap. Hip Hop Culture is the music/Rap. and the rest of the 3 elements that are included.

once agian rap is not hip hop and hip hop is not rap. To even say that you're spreading mis-information like woah.

You may not know this but "Hip Hop" existed long before "rap", before there was even a term called "rap" or people called "rappers". The music they created was rhymed over a beat with a heavy bassline. It became the voice of the urbanite and grew into a unique form of music that reached out from the hoods and ghettos.

Once Big Business discovered that HipHop is profitable, they invented "Rap". Rap is a form of music that uses elements of Hip Hop (like heavy basslines and spoken in rhyme) to promote an image that you buy into, mostly for escapism. To "take your mind off of reality and let you live the fantasy" of the cars, houses, jewelry, women, clubs, money and everything else the urbanite dreamed of. What ever it was, the rapper would claim to embody and he'd paint the picture of a person who's life is "larger than life". You got a young inner city kid without a father figure - this rappers false reality makes him that boys hood-hero. The "rapper" was a living product you used to escape your reality. A human drug. Big business's organic source of revenue.

Fastforward to today where "rappers" have pushed hip hop out of its position, they're all backed by Big Business in the form of "major labels" and they're still selling the image of escapism. This time around, they're not just a living product, they're franchizes; clothes, shoes, t-shirts, cologne, perfume, and anything else they can stick their likeness on and sell.

It's been this way since the late 80's, so sorry to say but anyone who didn't have the opportunity to listen to hip hop back then have been pumped full of "rap" and it's actors who want to validate the product...errr......"prove their real"... by saying any and everything to make you believe it, like they're about hip hop and that they're really street and lived a tough life and all this other stuff. It's not real. all manufactured.


PS, though bigge is far form the only one, even Bigge's mom said he lied in Juicy saying he grew up poor. He lied about his entire history. They were middle class and lived in a 2 bedroom house, not a 'one bedroom shack'. She says "look at how heavy bigge was, he was always a chubby kid almost all his life. you don't get that chubby by not being well-fed".

similar type story for Ice Cube, Onyx, and whole host of other "rappers".

Just part of the image.

Oh yeah, don't let this put you under the impression that everyone who raps is fake, there are many real emcees who actually live the life they say they do and there are countless emcees who speak reality. Just understand that the gross majority of what you hear is not real. Nearly everything you hear on the radio is not true.

So, my point is, hip hop can not be defined by terms such as "deep" or "intellectual" when not everyone even agrees on what "deep" or "intellectual" is.




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refer back to my example with the rocket scientist.

the opinions of the small percentage of listeners isn't going to change everybody elses mind as to if the music is "deep" or not deep. Because quite frankly no one gives aflying fuck what the rocket scientist thinks.

but I've never seen a category for rap called "Deep" in my entire life so this discussion is pretty much pointless.

nah...some people define "real" hip hop as deep aka "lyricism"...I'm saying who are they to define anything else as "fake" when, again, not everone agrees what is "lyrical" (deep/intellectual).

Perfect example: So many people consider Triple N "deep" and "lyrical" on this site and I've yet to see it. So, for them, he's "real" hip hop and someone who isn't as "deep" isn't?


nah

Whats Wrong With All Of You Is That You Think Hip Hop Is Your Opinion
Hip Hop Is Not Rap Nor Is It A Opinion,

Hip Hop Is Culture Hip Hop Is A Way Of Life!!!!

someone saying lyricism makes a person deep must be a real slow learner. that makes no sense what so ever.


I've never seen someoen say N was deep nor lyrical, and definitely not "deep because he's lyrical" so I can't speak on that. take it up with who ever you're saying said it.

i dont define hip hop that way

good example big daddy kane isnt deep and he is real hip hop