Meh, I don't find his msuic that good either. But at least he isn't sayin shit about other dudes music when he doesn't make music *cough cough* schema!

man... i actually sit and ananlyze the words in a song and try and figure out what i like about an artist so that i can better my own skills... for instance

Canibus:

I like... his confidence on the mic, his lyricism (the WAY he spits shyt as well as WHAT he says), the thought he puts into his rhymes, the off the wall topics, the fact that he sticks to what he knows and doesn't try and change for the masses just to fit in, his originality

I don't like... the fact that he has yet to make a solid album, his beats are pretty trash and takes away from his songs, he needs to find away to keep his lyrical credibility with the mainstream without selling his soul... kinda like how jay-z did it on his first 2 albums... he has yet to define his core audience.... it started with underground battle crowds... shifted to intellectual type kats... and now is just hanging between the two with no real direction, his earlier attitude of being too cocky (he's actually toned down a lot and has learned a lot from the LL incident)

i would break down a song but i don't feel like doing that much typing.. there's more to hip hop than just party tunes... like pexx said... sometimes ya just wanna hear some deep shyt... other times you wanna party... and again at times you want some uplifting music... it all depends on your mood... and that's the one thing Canibus has failed to do... capture different moods to build a complete album..

but... he is FAR from wack... look no further than chingy and half the south if ya wanna hear wack artists repeating the same shyt over and over again... of course there are wack emcees everywhere but the only thing really flooding the airwaves right now is south shyt

How could you say he has no catchy songs? Thats really your opinion...Coz he got a track with common thats just crazy....one with Rass kass that he just destroys from the beginning...one with Jedi minds that he murders...One with Free that Stomps the shit out of...are you seriouse? come on now...to say canibus is trash is like saying none mainstream underground hip hop its self is wak...Canibus in my view also ripped LL...all LL ready did was flipp all his concepts on em. He aint say nothing nice to em that would make me think other wise. Plus Canibus has forgoten more metaphores and punches, and battles then you even know about. That nigga is sick and will remain sick....true he has follen off a bit...but he aint never reached Eminems encore low...that shit was reall trash with a whole bunch of wak off beat songs and only 3 or 4 decent once.

lol that doesnt mean anything really. i prob listen to just as much, if not more, mainstream music than u but i still say he's waaaack. not to mention his voice is annoying

His voice is tight like spandex...lol...Can is sick like herpees...

I agree with schema 100%

But I'll add on...80% of underground music...maybe even more...is just like this...Jedi Mind Tricks, that dudes nuts all you RV kids are sucking on...is fuckin garbage...masterbating to a dictionary. how gay is that...if you hafto crack open a dictionary while writing a rhyme, it no longer becomes a piece of your work...meaning, something that you feel. I think canibus should get knocked out wit a few dictionarys...in tha 2nd round...eh...whatever...dudes garbage...tech 9...garbage...jedi mind tricks...garbage...UNDERGROUND Garbage...

I was just talking bout this 2day...underground is just stupid ass lyrical rappers who can't make a song...Anyone can make a hot 16, but can you make a hot song...mainstream rappers...for tha most part..can do both!

that's why they mainstream...fuck underground in general

whoa whoa, that's a bit harsh. u do realize that basically everyone who raps online is underground right? so are u calling yourself wack? that is if u really do rap. everyone who's mainstream right now was at some point, underground

I dont listen to canibus very often.....Cause his songs are mainly just for novelty value...Its not music as much as it is lyrics for people who are into that whole intelligent rap persona he gives off..

Saying hes wack is just stupid...

You sound naieve as hell with this thread dude......No joke...

Just cause a rapper isnt mainstream, doesent mean hes wack.. Maybe in your little conformist fantasy land where things arnt cool unless everyone follows them like a fucking trend..

Dont be such a lemming schema...

Not everyone enjoys the same sort of music as you do...And that doesent make their opinion any less valid...

he's not wack...

but i dont listen to him much at all...

cant stand his delivery

"From an extroverted point of view, I think it's too late
Hip hop hasn't been the same since '88
Since it became a lucrative proffesion there's a misconception
That the movemant in any direction is progression
Even if the potency of it lessens"

How is that wack?

see that's another thing, everyone quotes those same EXACT lines when referring to canibus. is that like the only real shit he's ever said? n it's not like i dont like him cuz he's not mainstream cuz i think underground is better and the majority of mainstream rappers are wack

What??
you're not serious right?


shit, i'd have started quotin for ya, but I'd be here all night

a lot of people quote parts from that song cuz its one of the best songs he's ever done in his entire career, i would list quotes but like apexx shit its just too time consuming, listen to all of 2000 bc, mic club, and rip the jacker

Now listen here son. basically your sayin true hip hop is trash. ok ok, understand idiot that mainstream is also hip hop, it just aint used for good. Music was put here to help cats express themselves and to help the audience feels good about themselves. All hip hop does now days is push the youth to start usin violence. and it's fuckin true man, 50 cent isn't about anything besides money. that's all, money is a need but it's a fuckin rip off when you pay 30 bucks for a cd about money. wtf is that. And the underground artists your usin are bad examples of true hip hop. Try listening to some canadian hip hop, there's way more respect for true hip hip "up" here!

you dumb fucks think canibus or jedimindtricks sit down with a book about the gospels of jesus or sum shit when they writing a rhyme?..if u dont understand something don't b hard-headed, go learn, instaed ofplaying your PS2 fo that extra 30mins, rolla joint n read sum shit, yes a BOOK nigga, a BOOK!! you cannot punish or look down n call sum1 WACK simply because they are more intelligent than you, typical self-destructive mindset wid alot of kids.. surely if sum1 has a large vocabulary and is well educated and knowledged they'll spit about and as so. 50 cent, Ja Rule etc justify there music as "we spit about what we know", canibus "knows about theorism, philosphers, ancient prroverbs, human anatomy" etc, so hellspit about it...to call canibus "WACK" is proposterous, to call him a poor song writer is also crap...who ANYHWERE should have the right to classify a hiphop song a sNEEDING a Chorus, just because it is standard convention, fuck outta here, music is music...just like i will never call 50cent wack, he makes niggaz incl. myself bounce in a club, something i cannot do, canibus writes a battle rhyme or story that will challenge me, inform and have me liek "ooo" at some of his lines, he does something ur "mainstream" rappers CANNOT do, wats the phrase u U.S ppl use "real recognise real", some of u need to be real...at the end of the day, canibus, 50, immortal tech, they all do something YOU CANNOT,or the other CANNOT.. respect sum1s talent or skill....most of u adhere to 16 hook 16 hook 16 on every punk ass track, like you have to..bull...hiphop is expression, when u start dividing Rap into underground, mainstream blah blah, fuck outta here, its music...