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Originally Posted by Crazy Hades

Yeah, so, Jack, have you ever looked at the facts presented by the other point of view? Or are you taking one video to heart, using your bias against Bush for justification for not looking at the facts countering what Loose Change and other videos like it provide? There are quite a few things Loose Change got incorrect.

What things? Provide evidence.

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Originally Posted by Crazy Hades

^ yeah, and see thats the thing... i agree that our government hides alot from us and we really probably do not know exactly what happened on that day, but Jack you present finding a video such as this as "research" and evidence... when its not.

theres lot of sites out there that you can do your own research on
dont rely on that video jack posted, thats just one form of info
if you agree with the official story and the direction of this country'
thats you but if you have doubts you should research it, see for yourself
and make your own conclusions.......

ive watched several videos.

and i know alot of the info they use to get their conclusions and fight their argument is true...

the pentagon crash and the pittsburgh one looked NOTHING like a plane crash site... no bodies, no wreckage(mainly the pittsburgh one as the petagon one had building wreckage but no plane wreckage) and its impossible for the plane to decintigrate(sp?) and i looked up on that part myself and what the people say in the video about that is 100% true.

and when you concider that security in the building was lowered beyond beleife, sniffer dogs(for explosives) were removed so on n so forth, not far from the day it happened in the twin towers... guess who was the only person with the power to do that??? george bush's brother. again i checked up on that, and its true... there are several places around the pentagon with cctv facing the direction of the pentagon, the fbi confiscated all of them, and only one was released from the pentagon grounds(all of 5 frames) looks NOTHING like a plane hitting it(looks way too small and explodes nothing like a plane would).

do research before drawing up conclusions is all im going to say.

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Originally Posted by Crazy Hades

Like this: http://www.loosechangeguide.com/LooseChangeGuide.html

you and jack should video link battle or something
theres more to this than one video link man

That's funny, BECAUSE IT'S NOT A FUCKING VIDEO LINK. It's a site specifically aimed at CTists, full of scientific proof, reports talking about how a controlled demolition actually takes place, the impossibility of bombs actually being planted without some kind of alien technology, pictures of different sides of the tower, and everything that a CTist would cry about.

Maybe if you clicked the link you'd realize it's not a video link, aye? You sure got me on that one.

ok im reading it now
its still only ONE source
i can flood this shit with links that say the exact opposite
but go reply to the other thread

One source? Uh, there are plenty more. Want me to find them? Not to mention that site is full of links that support their information and discuss everything. It's not one source, it's one entity made of several sources.

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Originally Posted by N.Tavarez

ok im reading it now
its still only ONE source
i can flood this shit with links that say the exact opposite
but go reply to the other thread

What's your point? Jack only posted one source. There are tons of links that present theories and tons of links that attempt to debunk those theories. You choose what you want to believe, but don't act like there's a lack of information from one side, so the side that you believe must be correct. That's bullshit, man.

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and when you concider that security in the building was lowered beyond beleife, sniffer dogs(for explosives) were removed so on n so forth, not far from the day it happened in the twin towers... guess who was the only person with the power to do that??? george bush's brother. again i checked up on that, and its true... there are several places around the pentagon with cctv facing the direction of the pentagon, the fbi confiscated all of them, and only one was released from the pentagon grounds(all of 5 frames) looks NOTHING like a plane hitting it(looks way too small and explodes nothing like a plane would).

Never noticed that.

1. The frames don't take into account the speed of the plane and whatnot. I'm thinking that the frames themselves are too primitive to capture the sight of a 500+ mph plane in 5 frames. You might see a blur.

2. Of course you're going to confiscate the tapes, it's called evidence. Not evidence to conspiracy theory, evidence that should be reviewed so that an official report could be filed. It's quite obvious they'd want all the information they could get.

3. The security wasn't lowered beyond belief. Actually, a bomb threat was called in and dogs were brought in. They didn't detect any thousands of pounds of bombs inside of the building, and thus were removed. Tell me, do you think there was enough of a period for "them" to secretly implant the necessary bombs, seal up all evidence, and move out? That's really stretching it.

I can understand where you're coming from, but there are explanations. It may seem shady they're confiscating tapes, but there is a legitimate explanation to that (even though it may not be true, and they were actually disposing of incriminating evidence). But tell me, does it make any fucking sense they're going to have eye witnesses that see it? Why would they fabricate the lie of a plane crashing into it? Why not hi-jack one of their own planes and crash it into the building, instead of going through the rigorous, unrewarding process of emptying the building of all its employees and systematically inserting explosives? And by the way, the entire destruction of the WTC resembles a demolition in pretty much no way. Even if the Towers didn't come down, they'd be killing less of their employees while still having the justification of a terrorist attack. They made sure to kill about 99.9% of their employees by planting bombs, when they could've simply built off the original story and crashed their own planes?

Not buying it.

*dribbles*

soz to go off topic

who IS that bitch anyway ?

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Originally Posted by Crazy Hades

Never noticed that.

1. The frames don't take into account the speed of the plane and whatnot. I'm thinking that the frames themselves are too primitive to capture the sight of a 500+ mph plane in 5 frames. You might see a blur.
in which case, its funny how the only footage released is a) from the worse possible angle, and b) 5 frames not running very smooth at all and of low quality, basically making it extremely hard to notice theres no plane... i mean surely if u had nothing to hide and also show the citizens what happened youd release better footage... i know i would as would many many many others(probably u included)

2. Of course you're going to confiscate the tapes, it's called evidence. Not evidence to conspiracy theory, evidence that should be reviewed so that an official report could be filed. It's quite obvious they'd want all the information they could get.
i do agree, but all confiscated videos were of better angles and better quality cameras, so.....[read the above comment]

3. The security wasn't lowered beyond belief. Actually, a bomb threat was called in and dogs were brought in. They didn't detect any thousands of pounds of bombs inside of the building, and thus were removed. Tell me, do you think there was enough of a period for "them" to secretly implant the necessary bombs, seal up all evidence, and move out? That's really stretching it.
thats my point, they were removed and security staff were taken off duty.. and as i said, the only person who could do that was bush's brother, not only is it funny who could do it, but also funny about the damn timing.

I can understand where you're coming from, but there are explanations. It may seem shady they're confiscating tapes, but there is a legitimate explanation to that (even though it may not be true, and they were actually disposing of incriminating evidence). But tell me, does it make any fucking sense they're going to have eye witnesses that see it? Why would they fabricate the lie of a plane crashing into it? Why not hi-jack one of their own planes and crash it into the building, instead of going through the rigorous, unrewarding process of emptying the building of all its employees and systematically inserting explosives? And by the way, the entire destruction of the WTC resembles a demolition in pretty much no way. Even if the Towers didn't come down, they'd be killing less of their employees while still having the justification of a terrorist attack. They made sure to kill about 99.9% of their employees by planting bombs, when they could've simply built off the original story and crashed their own planes?
the more people killed, the easier it is to make people listen to your words, especially when pointing the finger... the collapse follows a demolition in every way, a fire based on the plane fuel alone would be nowhere near hot enough to mealt the metal structure, therefore no collapse.... look how many buildings have had fires much worse than the ones when the plane hit, none of them have collapsed, and the trade centre was meant to be an awfull lot stronger than any of them, yet it collapsed so easily??? have you ever watch a demolition??? let me put it like this... blow out the bottom completely, it falls to the side... if the building collapsed just cos the top section gave in, itd stop collapsing half way for atleast a limited time, but it didnt... blow out certain floors at the right time, and you have a building falling in on itself exactly like the trade centre did, the exact words from a fire fighter that i remember being on the news that exact day "it was as though somebody is sat there pressing buttons in co-ordination just *bang, bang, bang, bang*" i allways remember that interview cos that was the first thing that got me thinking, then i started noticing many things by myself and then these video's enlightened me even more as did doing my own research.

Not buying it.

not buying it????? then youre just another puppet on the governments strings.

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Originally Posted by N.Tavarez

who IS that bitch anyway ?

i don't know...but all i know is i wanna fuck her at LEAST 3 times in each shirt :hump:

maybe more...i unno what with my sex life at the mo i'm feelin a lil dry :evilgrin: