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Crazy Hades 11-22-06 04:43 PM

Okay then, since apparently I have to detail every comment precisely, even when the meaning is obvious...

It's a politically correct term when it comes to white people and I doubt he meant anything from it. Who the hell would use racism when apologizing for using racism?

Maleficent 11-22-06 04:48 PM

Exactly. Here is afro's definition regardless of time frame and any other ridiculous summations for afro such as the hair thing. Apexx, Im no master of linguistics, so I'd have to look it up, but Im sure there is a good reason for why its "afro" rather then "afri". Sources coming soon.


Af‧ro  /ˈæfroʊ/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[af-roh] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation adjective, noun, plural -ros.
–adjective
1. of or pertaining to Afro-Americans or to black traditions, culture, etc.: Afro societies; Afro hair styles.

∆ P E X X 11-22-06 04:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Maleficent
Good point. So I suppose Kramer's apology was in fact bigoted and pussy.


nah, i don't think it was biggoted. i just think he has no idea what he's doing or saying. in all fairness, its very difficult if not impossible for a white person to issue an appology to my race because all the words used to describe our race were all given to us by the white race and inherintly all have a negative connotation to em. "black". "nigger". "negro". "colored". "afro american". "african american". we didn't chose any of these labels.

he's just flat out fucked himself. and truthfully, most of the whites you'd meet in the course of your life, especially of his generation, feel exactly like him. They don't ACT racist on the outside, but deep on the inside, they have these exact same thoughts and feelings. given the right opportunity, if they felt they had a room full of support, and platform for a voice the way he had, they would do or say the exact same thing.

Maleficent 11-22-06 04:54 PM

http://www.amazon.ca/Not-Out-Africa...y/dp/046509838X


Judging on how afri and afro are used in the reviews and descriptions, afri and afro are synonomous and bear no differences.

Crazy Hades 11-22-06 04:57 PM

What is the correct label for your race then when it comes to distinguishing them from others?

I can't figure out if Michael is sincere in his apology because he seems seriously torn up, though other people seem to think he looked really fake.

Maleficent 11-22-06 04:58 PM

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Originally Posted by ∆ P E X X
nah, i don't think it was biggoted. i just think he has no idea what he's doing or saying. in all fairness, its very difficult if not impossible for a white person to issue an appology to my race because all the words used to describe our race were all given to us by the white race and inherintly all have a negative connotation to em. "black". "nigger". "negro". "colored". "afro american". "african american". we didn't chose any of these labels.

he's just flat out fucked himself. and truthfully, most of the whites you'd meet in the course of your life, especially of his generation, feel exactly like him. They don't ACT racist on the outside, but deep on the inside, they have these exact same thoughts and feelings. given the right opportunity, if they felt they had a room full of support, and platform for a voice the way he had, they would do or say the exact same thing.


I think to some degree all white people have scathing thoughts about non-whites and vice versa, whether it was past down clandestinely, or related to how american customs tend to be eurocentric. It'll take a long ass time before the whole race thing is entirely overlooked. Until then, dont say nigger and act like its cool, because its only been 30-50 years.

Crazy Hades 11-22-06 05:00 PM

Hell, I've had some racist thoughts before...nothing like 'I want to kill that fucker', but just random things'll pop into my head. I obviously have no conscious hate for any blacks --- I mean, I'm on a fucking rap site and I regularly hang out with any race, but it's pretty much unavoidable.

Tha .Q 11-22-06 05:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Maleficent
I think to some degree all white people have scathing thoughts about non-whites and vice versa, whether it was past down clandestinely, or related to how american customs tend to be eurocentric. It'll take a long ass time before the whole race thing is entirely overlooked. Until then, dont say nigger and act like its cool, because its only been 30-50 years.



^^Yea...and Apexx is right...people like Richards have this feeling of entitlement. They harbor those deep-seated views and make no true apologies about it. That's why I said I thank Richards for making it clear where we are with race relations in this country. Too many people think everything is peachy key.





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∆ P E X X 11-22-06 05:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Crazy Hades
Okay then, since apparently I have to detail every comment precisely, even when the meaning is obvious...

It's a politically correct term when it comes to white people and I doubt he meant anything from it. Who the hell would use racism when apologizing for using racism?



afro american is not a politically correct term. you may think it is, but you're white, so what you think about what offends someone else, is irrelevant. blacks accept "afro american" because we have low expetations that you'll understand. its lik we pat you on your head and say "we know you're doing your best". "afro american" is a phrase thats based on a hair style. it has nothing to do with a people or a culture, or your american history or anything. just a hair style.

and nah i don't think he meant anything derrogatory in his mistake. he just doesn't know.

Tha .Q 11-22-06 05:04 PM

^^sorta like "Oriental" person..

ehh ehh


that's a rug





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Maleficent 11-22-06 05:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Crazy Hades
Hell, I've had some racist thoughts before...nothing like 'I want to kill that fucker', but just random things'll pop into my head. I obviously have no conscious hate for any blacks --- I mean, I'm on a fucking rap site and I regularly hang out with any race, but it's pretty much unavoidable.


Exactly, everybody has, I think freedom of speech must be used responsibly without the absensce of reason, people think it just means say something and run off with it like a charlatan. Demeaning or detracting a person's quality or ability to do the same defeats freedom of speech. There is no line to be drawn but there comes a point where you must ask yourself "Is my freedom of speech going to benefit those WITHOUT it? If not, I should just stfu. If so, more power to me for utilizing it.".


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Crazy Hades 11-22-06 05:07 PM

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afro american is not a politically correct term. you may think it is, but you're white, so what you think about what offends someone else, is irrelevant. blacks accept "afro american" because we have low expetations that you'll understand. its lik we pat you on your head and say "we know you're doing your best". "afro american" is a phrase thats based on a hair style. it has nothing to do with a people or a culture, or your american history or anything. just a hair style.

and nah i don't think he meant anything derrogatory in his mistake. he just doesn't know.


http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=afro

According to that, the first definition is that it pertains to black traditions and culture or Afro-Americans. That is when it's used as an adjective. The hairstyle is a noun. I'm pretty sure you'd consider Afro a modifier of American instead of Afro-American being a complete noun by itself. Nevertheless, the definition offered of Afro-American shows it is synonymous with African-American.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/afro-american

∆ P E X X 11-22-06 05:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Maleficent
http://www.amazon.ca/Not-Out-Africa...y/dp/046509838X


Judging on how afri and afro are used in the reviews and descriptions, afri and afro are synonomous and bear no differences.



I'm just gonna say it one more time man. "afro" is a hairstyle. your people want "afro" and "afri" to represent the same thing. the reality is... they don't. "afro" is not representative of "afri". those are completely seperate words, they completely seperate origins, and have completely seperate intentions.

are we on the same page now?

∆ P E X X 11-22-06 05:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Crazy Hades
http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=afro

According to that, the first definition is that it pertains to black traditions and culture or Afro-Americans. That is when it's used as an adjective. The hairstyle is a noun. I'm pretty sure you'd consider Afro a modifier of American instead of Afro-American being a complete noun by itself. Nevertheless, the definition offered of Afro-American shows it is synonymous with African-American.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/afro-american



listen, that's a label put on blacks, by whites. that does not represent anything black.
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Originally Posted by Crazy Hades
What is the correct label for your race then when it comes to distinguishing them from others?

I can't figure out if Michael is sincere in his apology because he seems seriously torn up, though other people seem to think he looked really fake.


none of them fit perfectly cuz we didn't pick any of them. but in this day and age, your best bet is black. if you dont' feel comfortable using black, use african american.

and thats it.

Maleficent 11-22-06 05:19 PM

Yeah, we're on the same page homeboy.


http://www.etymonline.com/index.php...searchmode=none


So correctly I would say "african-american" and not "afro-american" because afro american might connotate a form of disrespect for black people?


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