This Is One Of The Many Ideas That Kill Me Each Night Before I Go To Bed. I Will Lay There And Think... "Am I Real?" "Why Am I Here, What Is My Purpose?" "Where Does My Mind Go After Death?"

It's Best To Dismiss These And Just Live Your Life To The Fullest.

This Also Brings Up The Idea Of Religion, Because Religions Were Made To Answer These Questions. So Which Religion Do YOU Think Is Right?

word to this topic, i always think about this, at least 2-3 times a month it crosses my mind.

sometime i think im the only real think and what i cant see doesnt exisist. but everything i do see i only see cause i want to see it. like im in my own world and i control everything about it.

something like that, but this topic is to deep so im leaveing or i might be thinking about it all day.

This crosses my mind everyday during biology. And as much as I try, when I think I have another answer, I come up with something that contradicts it.

I can go on and on on this topic. Yet I will not, instead I will post something that my research has lead me to read. In my many years of intense study, in several fields I have been in search of such answers. Today I am devoting my research to the new field of Astorbiology. Many many questions I had in the past have been filled in. I have so much more to learn, but I know have ammunition and fuel for the quest.

If your interested in this topic read the information below. It is something I read over every now and again. This was posted for those who turely care about the topic of this thread. I will keep my personel accounts out of this thread...


The dimensions of things are created by the limitation of our vision as interpreted by our brain. All around us is nothing but molecules; molecules in the air, molecules in our body, molecules in the space; molecules nothing but molecules. Our limitations of vision make us see only the bundles of molecules together as a table or a chair, a southern belle or a school bell. What if we could see through molecules? Then none of these differences would have mattered. A table would have looked like a chair and the belle would be indistinguishable from a bell. Our tactile feel of warm flesh would be meaningless if we could not feel; a round corner would not appear round at all.

Because we cannot see certain lengths and light waves, objects appear to us as they are displayed by our imagination. These may appear quite different to other species if their ability to see through light waves is different from us. Therefore the question about the real shape of things can not be answered. The flaw in human vision is that it assumes a demarcation of things whereas in reality all things are a continuum of molecules, atoms and subatomic particles. Air, thin, invisible, is yet composed of same type of molecules as make a denser object such as a human body. It is the discrimination of our vision and our perceptible faculties that make things "appear" what they are.

All too difficult to imagine, it should suffice if we are to understands that what we may not be what we are. Do we really exist today, asked a well-known French philosopher about three hundred years ago? We don't know, came the answer. But such questions explored repeatedly only lead to frustration. However, understanding our senses and their limitations may soften the blow of harboring this frustration.

There is a divine relationship between the senses and the world they sense. And like many things in God's divine plan for the universe, the senses seem to occur in fives

How different the universe is, can be discerned from the differences in the perception of other species. The eye of horsefly has 20,000 individual cells, each responding differently to electromagnetic radiation of highly specific wavelength or chemical molecules in the air. The "image" composed in the horsefly eye can not be visualized by us.

The electromagnetic spectrum range which we perceive through our classic senses is so small that it is not even calculable: less than one-trillionth of a trillionth of the total spectrum. Each species with its own window on the electromagnetic spectrum has therefore a different view of the universe, while they are blind to the vision of other species. Bees can not see reds in the flowers; they are instead attracted to the ultraviolet radiation from different parts of plants signaling presence of nectar. We can not perceive ultraviolet radiation because it destroys our retina.

Bats use an ultrasonic radar system to echolocate obstacles and prey. The frequency of this radar system is outside of human perception. A bat can tell it all by the bounced-off waves through their altered speed and wavelength, about what lies ahead or behind them as they fly in the pitch of the dark. Can we visualize what bats can. Or perhaps what a snake sees in the infrared picture it draws of objects around it. Or how lizards can smell their prey miles away. The kangaroo rat jumps only when an owl is just about to capture it because the rat can hear the movement of owl wings from distance and calculates the precise time to jump

The ability to detect magnetic fields is found in bacteria, which use it to avoid oxygen, birds use it to navigate and most likely dolphins use it to chart their course of migration. Fish use electric signals to move around.

All of these differences among the perception of different species point to one conclusion: to the rest of the universe, the universe is quite different from our universe and we do not even know exactly what that difference is. The universe as we see is seen only through a narrow window of senses and thus a creation of our imagination.

The argument that something, including ourselves, exists because we can see, feel, hear, taste and smell it is not a good argument. If we base the definition of existence only on our ability to sense it then almost entire universe will have to be considered nonexistent. Similarly, to other creatures, in whose window of senses we do not fit, we will be nonexistent. Since there is no way to establish the hierarchy of senses, it will not be possible to say who is right. The theory of relativity applies here also; there is nothing absolute.

All of this rhetoric culminates in one concept. We exist as we see ourselves because of the sensory windows given to us by the Nature. To other creatures we may very well be a nonentity. To us whatever may lie beyond our sensory perception may not well exist, though it may be the whole universe. Therefore, whether we really exist or not is only a matter of our imagination. We have forced ourselves into existence through our senses and imagination. When we close our eyes, the world does disappear because there is no peering eyes to differentiate the continuum of molecules

In reality, I and the universe are the same. It is just a continuum of matter, whose various densities differentiate objects because of our narrow vision of molecules and the ability to discern their densities. But do molecules exist? The concept of molecules is also drawn as an extension of our vision of what we can see, which is an extremely limited vision. Perhaps nothing exists at all and what we see and what we don't but know it is there is only a fiction of our imagination. Or, perhaps, this how the Creator has planned for us to visualize and argue about this visualization.

Such is the irony and such is the dilemma.
By: Dr. Sarfaraz K Niazi

very good article..
really makes u think doesnt it...
nice

Life is what you make of it. That's correct.

Think of it this way... there are four realitys.

First off, there is undetermined reality. I walk through the woods and I find a box. I don't know what's in it until I open it and am able to measure it. Or perhaps, I have a box and I put something in it. I'll know what's in it because I put it in there, but for as long as it's closed I can't percieve inside that box. So until I'm able to take measurements of what is inside, anything could be going on.

There is your personal reality, which is everything the way you see it. (Even if it might not be that way, it's still nonetheless the way you percieve it. Mirage for example, would be reality until otherwise dismissed.)

Then there is mass-reality. Which is to say, everyone thinks the sky is blue. My personal reality says it's gray since I'm color blind, but everyone else says blue. Thus, everyone else is right.

And then there is absolute reality. We only percieve things in a limited scope of our five senses. But if there was nothing to measure the universe and reality with... well it'll still be around without us. It'll be what it is and what it is is absolute reality.

your first point reminded me of the movie Mohuland drive...you need to check that out Nec youd enjoy it @@@!!!

my teacher in school was talking about this the other day, that is a really good question old but deffinitly something that would be incredible to find out....but maybe people do, because some people can see farther then some people...and thing like that. Maybe you should ask your eye docter. She may beable to help you more

man controls his own destiny....there is no such thing as fate....
we all make our own decisions and they influence the way our life goes....

'u can be shown the door, but you must walk through it'

see^^ u decide to walk thru the door....no-one else....

^thats what you percieve...
...but may not be true...

This is a dope thread v.interesting to read everyones perception
of the subject...

But my view is...we do not know if fate is true or false
we just have to go out on a whim w/ what we believe
i dont really follow a religion or prophecy or w/e
i more try to..look into these and see everyones thoughts
...i mean i dont believe in god or reincarnation and what not
but it doesnt mean i rule it out...
And i think its good to have a lil think about shit like
'Are we real' do we actually exist...it reminds me that
we're human...and that we are actually not to knowledgable
despite scientific breakthorughs and going to space and other things
We dont actually know v.much about ourselves, or our surrondings
We merely act like we know...

dam! i'ma be thinking about this allday now...
mmm...i'll post some more views later after a ponder

Pz...

man, this just fucked up my whole day, ima be thinkin about it for a while...but im in school, so ill post my opinio later.

im tryin to block it out my mind now lol

See. That's what a high level boarder is about = ) I made at least eight threads that all sparked off dope discussion in here.

i always blabber on about this kinda shit when im drunk :)