jim drukenmiller had a cannon too, that dont mean shit if you cant get the balls to the WRs, a good QB needs a touch on the ball you cant just rocket it in to the WRs,

and no vick hasnt learned to pass yet, i dont even think he is to 4000 yards passing in his carrer, and his QB rating is some where around 60, and he throws nearly as much INTs as TDs

and vick does have people to pass to, price is a very good WR he will be one of the top in the NFL one day, and alge crumpler made the probowl. so dont say vick doesnt have people to pass to.

ok i just looked a vicks carreer stats, he just passed 4000 yards, and his carrer QB rating is 74.4. that below average. his QB rating this year is 47.5, i understand he got hurt but thats one of the worse in the NFL, even a few back ups have better numbers then him

and i guarntee the way vick runs he is going to have alot of injurys, this isnt college players are faster, tuffer, hit harder, and are more aware. one of these days he is going to think he is slick and will try to run threw the middle and a LB is going to eat him alive.

vick will never be a legend, anyone saying that obviously doesnt watch alot of football and lets the media tell them who is good and whose not.

i said this in another thread, vick has about 145 yards rushing a game and about 100 passing, thats only 245 yards a game, a average QB gets that much yards by passing the ball, add that to the fact that he throws almost as much INTs as TDs and you see vick is overrated.

you fools first off how many int's did manning have or warren or almost any other qb throwing 300 plus yards a game. Yeah they would go on streak but then throw like 4 in one game. Stats wise manning and warren put up some of the best number in the last like 5 years. see the difference is they have better WR and it's the fucking truth. I played football through highschool and I know the gme so get the fuck out of here with that unknowledable shit. compare offesive lines just look at more then numbers colins got a perfect QB rating one game last year where did he go last year? fucking gannon mvp threw how many int's in the superbowl? and he had a fucking squad and a killer line. POINT BLANK VICK MAKES HIS TEAM. Compare records with him playing and with him injured drastic difference. I do agree he still needs work but to say he's trash Mark my fucking words if vick can stay away from injury he will be better the mcnabb and mcnair.

BTW brady is having a dope ass year but see NE has a problem they always do stupid shit when it comes down to the wire. Well atleast in the past few years

Fucking Vickriders..


Nike endorsements and commercials do not define talent. Neither does being able to run.



Yeah, the guy can run..and yeah, hes one of the fastest in the league..


But he has done nothing, and I mean nothing to prove that he is even close to the best.


As for your agrument saying that stats are irrelevant, homie, stats define how well a player performs.

Last year Kerry Collins had an overall rating of 85.4, a perfect rating is 158.3....


so much for your whole 'I KNOW THE GAM ME NOT DUM' spiel.


As for Gannon, the Raiders had never seen a defense last year that could play the Cover 2 as well as Tampa did. You cant just jump into a game and expect to win like that... I dont care who was the QB in that game, if they never saw the Cover 2 worked to perfection such as Tampa Bay ran it, they wouldve had just as bad a day.




Now, as for the whole 'best qb in the league' deal, the award would have to go to Peyton Manning. Yes, I know he has the recievers to get things done, but even as a rookie hes showed amazing poise and understanding of the game...


When its all said and done, hell have a few Rings and be declared one of the best of all time.


Id say that Brady will pull in second, as he doesnt put up the best numbers in the world, but he shows that he is a great leade; on and off the field.


Brett Favre will round off the top 3. Brett has aged, and is not as nimble as he used to be. I understand that his numbers as of late have depleted, but the Packers management fucked him over. They released every receiever with talent thinking 'Brett doesnt need them, hell get the job done regardless'. Its a shame too, because no QB will be able to excel in working conditions such as his.

^^^LoL.....Saying that I can tell you not from the US. Wrong ''Football", joe...

AS of right now I gotta go with Payton Manning was the best right now, Steve Mcnair is close but injurys is taking his toll, Bret Frave is a legend but he's on his way out, I havn't checked the stats but I think he throws just as much INT's as TD's, Brady is effecive but he's a snore, he dosn't throe touchdowns that much but he don;t turn the ball over.

And I don;t know why ya'll fronting on Vick. Yhea he has alot of hype around him but thats cuz he's an exiting player to watch and the media is caplizing on it. You musta ain't seen that ass wuppin Vick handed Tampa Bay yesterday!? He's been hurt so you can't say look at his ratings, dood only played like what 3 games!? Plus he still learning the game...Everybody is not Dan Marino sitiin back in the pocket firing away, thats Mikes game, let him play HIS game. McNabb had a couble bad games earlier this year tying to answer critics and be a pocket passer....

first off I said one game he got a perfect qb rating not overall. just because you stay in the pocket doesn't mean your a good QB. steve young was a good example of a mobile QB. look where staying in the pocket gets you (dan marino). Any team that had decent safeties and Corners would fucking pick apart there whole offensive.

Still you can argue the fact with vick ATL is 20 x better. He makes his team and he's been like thst since he's been playing for VT. look at any team with him then without him. VT bombed the year after he left and atl bombed when he was hurt. Shiiit

with a good enough squad any half ass qb can do good job Cough* kurt warner,Rich gannon*cough

Not saying gannon and warner were/are bad just had a hell of a supporting cast

vick doesn't have that even if had a team like the vikins I can tell you right now they would have won way more games.

does black flame mean your an african american homosexual?

I gotta agree with Mcnair.
Vick is only decent, if he gets his passing game up, he will become a force to reckon with, but running will not justify his facts. He is an exciting player to watch but I can't expect him to be the best when he focuses so much on running.

do I even know you?
and why are you on my dick asking me if I'm gay?
you must be gay for asking that and attemptting to net beef with someone. See I was haing a football discussion but you're talk about gays. Seems suspect.

I'm through with net beef oh and like I tell all the other faggots


Get real

oh aimed at that sand kid or whoever he is

lol, i wasn't starting net-beef, and there's no need for your verbal tantrum, it's just that your name is suspect. so i was just inquiring, i thought you were innovating a new thing in hip hop. the "rainbow rapper", but it's cool homie.... =D

but you never did answer my question.

and was white flame like your ivory gay lover? i just always wondered ... ?