naw it was a bad address. First of all it was erratic, and we all know Bush to be a bad public speaker and he is getting no better. Bush failed to give moral uplifting statistics on the war, and the whole steroids shit was out of left field.I don't down Bush,i feel that all in all, he is doing a fairly good job, i mean no president can really bat 1000 with the capture of Sadam the world is indeed a better place.and how can you say Bush stands up for what he believes in when he doesn't even write his own speeches? Bush stands up for what his cabinet believes in.

god speaks the truth.

On another note, anyone ever see the video of Bush drunk at some wedding before he was made President?

yeah,who cares, he sniffed a lil nose candy as well.

You just contridicted youself here kid. If the laws and rules were put into place by millions then why are you in faovor of the altering of the will of millions. You are taking the side oposite your argement. LMAO kids are putting thier foot in thier mouth left and right in this thread. If we took a vote on the issue, as the polls suggest this issue would be shot down in an american heartbeat. Yet those few avtivist on the left, or the stench from the bench as I call them can change the context of the constitution based on a personal whim. Fuck that, that is what's wrong here, not the President trying to defend the will of the people's majority..

still he is not a bad president so it doesn't bother me

Do I detect a change in your rhetoric or tone now, or is that my overactive imagination... No beef or hate just debate...

naw, i don't think president Bush is a bad president, i don't think so at all, the capture of Sadaam without question made the world a better place, and the whole "he was drunk" shit is irrelevent, much like when people wanted to impeach president Clinton for getting head in the oval office.

I love lesbiens! :laugh: :evilgrin: then again im not a big fan of gay marriages but i dont care.i couldve sworn it was adam and eve but if we rid of gay marriages in america...then of course we'd be violating the 1st amendment and be somewhat hypocritical

1st Amendment-Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

wrong amendment duke

and sex orientation. well my gov and us history book said it

i care this much about what gay people do or wanna do

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^^boo :laugh: :)

I'm no homophobe, if people are gay let them go do their thing... as long as I dont see any of it.

Lemme Tell You Sumpthing...

Let The Gays Have Their Fun, If Your Not Gay, It Shouldnt Bother You. No Im Not Gay. Thats Just Sick In My Eyes, But In Gays Eyes, They Could Think That Liking The Opposite Sex Is Nasty. I Dont Care If Gays Can Get Married.

Bouncy dog is a fucking moron,

thats the exact attitude that shows why the country is so fucked up, your SCARED that gays are gonna take over...lmmfao

"who is to say..blah blah...then guy girl weddings will one day not happen"

shuttup

dont make me get deep into this subject....let it be, if they wanna get married let them get married, who does it affect?

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The End: i expected that comment from someone...never figured it would be you...considering you can be unpredictable at times....

Anyways.....i feel great about myself...and i know my direction....


I was trying to take a piss at my college and some mexican guy walked right up to the booth next to me and kept attempting to sneak a peak..."i told him keep your eyes on the road" he continued not to listen... He kept not listening so i pissed on him.....I swore i'd never use a urinal ever again....well like two months later i decided to since i figured no one was in the bathroom..... WRONG AGAIN JUSTIN.....this black guy that comes in the computer lab "where i work" walks in the bathroom....i knew this dude had to be gay but i figured he'd be decent enough to go to the urinal at the far end....NOPe fucker picks the one right next to me....Round two of the same damn situation this time i just made it quick and got out of there...

my point is i've witnessed the perversion in these gay dudes heads....its sick and not right....I dont like lesbians either....im also very religious and that is the bases of my belief....but anyways...attempts to flip the topic is stupid...Cant a thought / feeling just be truth...does everything have to have a might or maybe at the end of it....fucking dumb

im out

let em do whatever they want... ya heard...

I'm stickin' with my man bounce on this one...

“I am also sick & tired of these ppl basically living by the bible & quoting it..but as soon as it gets in their way..the bible is suddenly irrelevant.” Straight Ace
makes a good point on that comment.

I am a Christian and it is a sin for two sides of the same sex to get married
Or even be together. I feel It is wrong and an abomination. That’s how I feel
However I respect anyone and everyone as long as they show me respect.
I treat everyone as equal and wouldn’t look down on no one.
But check it im not saying everyone will turn gay that’s impossible
But how can you produce? If this continues on the birth rate will be lower.
In some countries that will be considered a good thing.
Just bringing up some issues, but I don’t think it will go that far.
I have one strong argument about gay marriages. Lets say the
The two couples adopt a child wdf then? If the child asks one of the
Parents who’s daddy and who’s mommy??
The parent could explain yes but still that child needs a father figure and
Mother figure. Not the same of both worlds. I know some of you might
Disagree but yeah.
Politically wise I believe it’s wrong to accept this but who listens to me lol..
The political issues that Bounce brought up were very good.

They just wanna be cool like the heterosexual couples!!! But they can never be cool, they will always be, Un-Kosher, Unnatural, and marriage is a natural thing. But I think we all just need to sit back and ask ourselves...
What Would Jesus Do, he would say no, I can almost guaruntee it... Then he would cleanse them of their unnatural ways... Be Straight My Child...

yeah, tell me about it, read my sig

I think the bigger question to be asked is if they should be allowed to adopt children.

^ No Way, LOL... ^

I dont like gay people but thats me its none of my buissnes what someone wants to do wit their life or in the privacy of their own home. If they wonna get married then ok none of my buissnes they should be able to.U can do anythin u want as long as u dont throw yo shit in my face, like when they have the huge gay parades, see now thats a bit too much, like do whatevery want but dont force me to watch and interfere wit my life. So yes they should be able to.

I just explained what it would effect did you not understand the complex issue's such an action would raise? Just try to use that neuro processor for more than banter and bullshit, then you might understand from where I ground my agruements.


You just commited politcal suicide with that statement. Calling me a moron when not one of you could argue my points. I stated them a few pages back, clear and consise, yet not one of you kids can touch them. Alka tracks on a personaly level your cool, but going out and calling me an idot is plain retarded. If you want to debate me on this and expose your mental capcity and flaws in your political stand point be my guess. I am sure more of the respected members on RB will side with my points and arguements. Go ahead get into to a detailed debate, I have no worries about that what so ever. I also know you kids calling stupid would not dare do that in the real world, I would decimate your politcal stand points. Not to mention break you in half...

^ok there, break me in half over the internet mr big mbad moderator.

The complex issues it woudl raise? What about the first amendment? Does banning gays from marrying not go AGAINST that?

but yeah your right, maybe we need to add some more amendments because the bill of rights and constitution dopes not apply to all...sorta like how we actually had to ammend it to include blacks...and then ammend it to include women, because the term ALL PEOPLE did not include them...as it does not include gays right now.

but go ahead and decimate me mr politician, your the man.

dont be mad cause history is repeating itself and we are once again realizing that we have left certain people out of our "freedom to do as you wish" documents. It happens, thats why we make those unecessary amendments such as #15 which was unecesary to begin with.

But thats the GREAT OL usa for ya

decimate away

;)

ok dawg the first thread i saw from u said that nas sucks. then i see this one... the 2 really explain a lot about each other

if they can let a convict fresh outta jail regain some of his/her privileges, and the ability to marry, then why the FUCK can't two upstanding homosexual people marry...hell...as long as they don't blaze it in public or whatever i think they should be able to do whatever the hell they wanna do...i have no problems with it at all...bush is an ass

it just disgusts me.......honestly gay marriage....well jus sickening if you think about it....and another thing...as long as im not going to the wedding. lol and whos going to be the girl lol........just sickening.........BLA...CLOSE THIS SHIT....gays disgust me...i dont hate them...i just think its sickening....if you saw a gay try hittin on u...wtf would u do...let him try to expose u..or ull hit is ass for touching u..shit wheres women when u need them at a time like this...

I don't really have a problem with it, they can do what they want. I don't see why they need to get married anyways, other than financial reasons, but if they need to do it they need to, it's their lives, their call.

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Originally Posted by The End
Why do they have to be married to be happy? That makes no sense.


Yet many hetrosexuals see it as a consolidating factor to being happy.

It really comes down to human nature. Integration. Not wanting to be on the 'outside'. If one was to make 'seperate' laws in place of marriage for homosexuals. They'd still feel left out. Not fully part of society.

That's their core persepctive. Along with the whole legal issues of inheritance, benefits etc.

Though of course one does appreciate the other side's view. Of it breaking the sancity of marriage. In a sense, bastardising it. It's human nature to feel threatened by such things. Especially when that side see's the whole 'homosexual' thing as so 'unnatural' and even 'illogical'. Along with the centuries of stigma attached to marriage. Of it being a natural part of hetrosexual relationships and therefore re-productioun. Normality.

I think it's more a matter of 'Is society ready to accept such things for their children to grow up around...especially in this current climate..


On a seperate note. I caught a remark whilst skim reading. And i agree, the left wing does seem to struggle to 'find the target'. To be incisive. Instead shooting off at all directions.

But why? Maybe the right wing is suffocating it? Becoming so strong that the left becomes ever more desperate?

Though the dust is settling.

Gay people should be able to get married...I really don't care...Im a Christian guy and according to my faith it's wrong..but i'd just be a hypocrite when i commit sins myself...let he who is without sin cast the first stone..ain't us...ain't gay people..so i guess we can all just agree to disagree.......besides....who wants to live in a wordl without lesbians

I hope your not taking this as hate or beef, I was just commenting on the fact that thease kids are calling me stupid when I was trying to add some calrity to the issue. That was not directly aimed at you alk... As I mentined in the thread prioviously, I do understand the need for gays to have the benifits that married couple do. My entire point is that, we as a country do not bend for those activist that disagree with the current defineition of marriage. It would not be fair the the mass majority that are against any latering of the constitution. Especially by those small numbers who want it changed. Let's speak pure fact for the moment. Fact one, America has an overwhelming majority agaisnt the changing of the constitution as it defines marriage now. Fact two, if the majority of americans felt this was the right thing to do, then it would be addressed. Yet this is not the case. End of arguement, and feeble attempts to challange my statements. I made them based on fact not presumption and emotion. Basically it would be a crime for some 12 activist judges to hold the American peoples constitution hostage. It would be a siege on everything this country stands for and built on. So Alk, can you not admit this? Is this not a fact? Of course it is, never did the founding fathers mean for the majority to be over ruled by the agenda of a few. As marriage is defined today, protects us from certain social and econimcs problems that can and will result from redefineing the institution of marriage. Could you not see that in my post?

Fuck gay marriages..if they want to get married..let 'em..More girls for the rest of us..and that's not meant to be a joke..I'm dead serious..all these girls I talk to say how they get frustrated cause the hottest boys are gay..and i'm like maybe that's why their gay..

. . . And now you're cool right ? That was fucking ignorant dog, and i'm in your fucking crew. Honestly, who gives a fuck about a gay marriage if you aren't gay ? My step-brother is gay, I have no hate towards gay people in general because looking past the obvious fact that they are gay, they're just like me. I mean shit, why should I be concerned with my step-brother's lifestyle when I have other things to worry about ? That's what everyone who isn't gay should be thinking about. Fuck being gay, let them be and live their life the way they want to. What about hunger ? Homelessness? Economy Problems ? Those issues are MUCH BIGGER than the issue of whether gay people should actually recieve the same freedoms as heterosexuals do. If a man and woman can get married, then why not give gays the same rights ? Oh wait, I forgot, so many people are insecure with their sexuality that they feel the need to bash and criticise those who are different. Get a fucking life if you have nothing else better to do then sit behind a machine and bash people for their own way of life.\

Bouncy Dog. . No hate kid, but your point of view is like sticking to the books. It's obvious that the books state equal rights, but people seem to overlook that for people who are "different". So you're telling me we're going to watch the hunger rate go up while we meddle in pety shit ? Equal Rights is exactly what it says it is. . E-Q-U-A-L R-I-G-H-T-S. . Meaning everyone is equal, as one. So, equality in mind, give the gay people their RIGHT to marriage.

Hope I Made Sense. . Pz.

0 - I didn't see this thread last night. I need to start logging on during school.

1 - Gay marriages should be legal.

2 - The bible states that you shouldn't nakidize relatives. It does not say anywhere that homosexuality is bad. It does however, say tha if you sin you must make a ritual sacrifice to animals. I believe it was called Leviticus.

3 - No changes of the original constitution will be made to support or deny gay marriages. I believe it's called an amendment. You amend things to the constitution and it is done all the fucking time. Try reading it some time to see some of the serious and silly things added on to it. If I remember right, one serious thing was slavery. The fourteenth amendment put an end to slavery. By your logic, bouncedoggydogg, if I'm correct, slavery should still be legal for to add the fourteenth amendment and thus altering the constitution is wrong.

The fact is, laws are being made all the fucking time that shouldn't be made. Bush has NO RIGHT to pass clear cutting laws in Oregon when he has no clue about foresting. I know more about it, and I know he's creating a cause for more forest fires. And compared to the rest of the American population, the few thousand people in Oregon is a minority. YET... when he passed those clear cutting laws, he basicly sentenced us to a smokey sky and toasty forests. Which is completly and utterly wrong no matter how you look at it. In fact... it's his ignorance of some place else that he rules that reminds me of something... what is it? Oh yeah! The KING! The king of England to be exact, ruling over America, a small minorty of the crown.

America didn't like it. So they changed it. I think, if the system doesn't work, the system should change. Personally, I have my own ideas. A socialist republic can easily work if managed correctly. But that's just me. I'm kinda hoping my statements are giving you food for thought, no hate though, right?

4 - Bush is a HORRIBLE president. Not only are we in a DEFICIT of five hundred BILLION dollars... but the capture of Saddam made things WORSE. After all... what if the man you held near and dear got captured? Wouldn't you want vengence? And yes, the people many of them loved Saddam. And many of them despise America and will attack because of the war in Iraq. It's sorta like, cut off the head and the body will strangle you to death.

5 - Ok... so a gay guy might sneak a peak at another man, but there are PLENTY of perversions in heterosexuals to rival that. Why... the WHOLE male student body drilling a hole into the wall of the girls locker room proves that point. Why, last time I check most rapes occured between a man and a woman. Don't even get me started on the vile and disgusting pornography on the internet. (And I know my way around pornography on the internet. What with me being a heterosexual pervert that is beyond anything a gay guy or girl can ever hope to acheive.)

In fact deacon, your logic against gays is rather silly as it can easily be construted as a new found hatred for colored folk. It was a mexican and a negro, correct? And racial background is heriditary, their behavior is probably prevailent in ALL mexicans and negros! Again... by your logic.

6 - Bio*Chemist, I never had a father figure growing up. I never had parents. I had a grandmother. Hell... seventy percent of American familys are dysfunctional. And their have been a lot of good people produced from those familys. Many have been children of same sex couples. (Obviously, the child was born from a heterosexual relationship which went sour, and thus the parent moved on.)

7 - TheProphet777, I doubt I'd ever be in the position to ever have a gay man hit on me. But if it happened, I'd go for it. I'm not gay, but a lay is a lay.

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I heard Cam N Bigg EZ are gettin married...lol.....

...Word.