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Lokinator 01-31-04 12:56 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by Myk
do you even know what a backpacker is?

i hate how people think if you listen to underground your a backpacker.

and did see any aesop rock, sole, dose one, sage francis, or any of that other nerd bullshit? people that listen to that garbage are usualy people that call themself backpackers.

i dont listen to abstract bullshit rapping about tea partys with goats wearing boots and sad suns.

i listen to people that rap about real life stuff.


i *heart* yoo

C-Section 01-31-04 01:18 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by wogzta
^ and good on you too. Every post I've seen by Gunman either originated from the terms "Trying to be black" or "hes white"...

And Myk, why do you call it nerd bullshit? Everyone has the right to make whatever type of hip-hop they want, and some people like listening to abstract rap. And that includes me - but doesnt mean I dont listen to what you call "real life stuff". Can't you just enjoy what you like and let other people listen to what they want without critism?

Also, I think you said Canibus - he is about the biggest nerd in hip-hop history... but that doesnt mean hes not dope.


shut up wogsta im starting to hate you. i never said people cant listent o nerd rap i said i dont listen to nerd rap. and no i cant enjoy what i like with out talking about what other people like. if i hate something im going to say i hate it so shut up you sensitive little bitch.

and canibus isnt nerd rap he is a battle MC. nerd rap is the garbage that only a nerd would listen to thinking its dope. you could play canibus to people in the streets and they think he is dope. if you show some one from the srteets aesop rock, rapping about "the villagers baffel and the sun soaks in a dignitys mold with a swollen sun and hallowed dreams" they will call it garbage just like i do.

being smart doesnt make you a nerd rapper. wu tang memebers are extreamly smart, far from nerd rap. alot of rappers graduated from college that doesnt make them nerd rap. copywrite is a nerd, he still isnt a nerd rapper. wogsta your a idiot dont talk anymore. you start listening to rap when eminem came out now you act like your some super hip hop head that knows everything. you dont even know the diffrence between a DJ and producer. shut up new jack

Lokinator 01-31-04 01:23 PM

nerd rap outsmarts yoo all

wogzta 01-31-04 08:25 PM

Myk, you call me a sensitive bitch, and yet you throw a hissy fit after my post, which just asked you why you hate a certain type of rap. And you didnt say "i dont like it". You said "nerd bullshit" meaning you thought it was garbage. I wouldnt care if you said "i hate it", that just means it doesnt appeal to you. But you called it bullshit, implying that it was crap. If its so crap, underground hip-hop fans wouldnt listen to it.

And your the last person who should be teaching me about how dope Canibus is - he is my favourite rapper along with Nas, and Immortal Technique, which are both extremely intelligent emcees.

And what gave you the impression that I started listening to rap when Eminem came out? You don't know anything about me, so dont judge me.

C-Section 01-31-04 08:43 PM

nerd rap is garbage, just like most main stream is garbage just because some people like it doesnt mean its not garbage.. bullshit, garbage, wack, how every you want to say it. thats my opinion and fuck you for saying i cant state my opinion, my your a bitch thats scared to speak his mind, but thats not me so dont tell me shit. get your own opinion, stop fallowing what other people tell you is dope.

LOL at you saying im the last person thats hould be teaching you about how dope canibus is. can you please show me when i tried to teach you about how dope he is?

i remember you here when you were a newbie saying em is only one of the rappers you listened to. you just recently started getting into that underground shit so dont act like you been into it for years and your sometype of underground head. the only underground you get is what we tell you.

australian acting like your some type of hip hop guru, get the fuck out of here, you only get what we give you. i've already sonned you to many time for you to be opening your mouth.

Zig Zag 01-31-04 10:05 PM

ahahah tahts funny shit

wogzta 02-01-04 05:44 AM

The reason Eminem was one of the only rappers I listened to was because, as you stated - I live in Australia. I dont have easy access to underground hip-hop like you do, and this site and some others are the first time I was able to find out about new music that was coming from the underground. I had a poor internet connection with a strict download limit before I got my own job meaning I couldn't go around downloading 10 songs a day, and I'm not willing to go around throwing $30 everytime a new album came out. Is it my fault that I don't have easy access to non-mainstream music?

And I dont know if you agree with me or not, but at the time, Eminem was one of the only good mainstream rappers around. I listened to Jay-Z and Nas as well, and some other ones like Xzibit.

In case you want to know, I started listening to hip-hop in 1995. True, I was only 7-8 years old, but I still knew what I liked. Since then, 2pac and Biggie have both been killed, their posthumous albums not being anything special. Nas only had Stillmatic which was recently released and was good. DMX hadn't released anything I liked since 1999.

Therefore, without underground access and a slowdown of good commercial music, I was limited to Jay-Z and Eminem.

The only point I'm trying to make is that you shouldn't attack people for listening to music that you personally don't like. I don't like 2pac much, but I don't go around shouting at people that he sucks and that they're idiots for listening to him.

And you tried to prove Canibus was dope by comparing him to "nerd" rappers and saying he's better, which for the most part, he is.

Sorry if I pissed you off or anything, but it wasn't my intention.

Harlem's Finest 02-01-04 10:44 AM

I think its like marmite.. you either love his shit or hate it..

I've never bought a Jay Z album.. or even d/l a track.. just ain't a fan of his style I guess.. never appealed to me.. go figure..

90Milez 02-01-04 10:55 AM

JayZ is my fave rapper... and just cuz he aint sold as much albums to the masses like EM, is cuz EM is white...im not racist cuz EM is a great Lyricist... but lets face it he's white and raps. And nelly well he's pop... thats basically it. But JayZ has da streetz behind him, cuz even his commercial songs are still tight. The bottom line is that Album sells dosent mean what talent an artist has... The artist talent is measured by what his musical content is, and Jigga is as good as an MC their is... n tho deez haters dont like him ohh well, Fuck them.

Knock Out Punch 02-01-04 12:08 PM

are you on crack saying em is better then jay you damn dummie

BluMami 02-01-04 01:56 PM

EM and JAY hmmm?? ....sorry to break it to yall but im not feeling neither of them any more........besides......ghostwriting for peoples, stealing peoples lines and then peoples in the XXL magazine going to call ya out on the Borrowed/Lender Board. strictly garbage if ya asked me. HipHop isnt for the love and your own creation no more .Jay should Definately should get out the game because he has been On BIggies case every since dude died. Alot of peoples have, it's ignorant.

J-wop 02-01-04 05:13 PM

yall mufukas need to recognize reasonable doubt i dont give a fuck about how many albums he sold why should you jigga is one of the nicest he dont even write his shit hes off the top with his stop ya hatin he be rymin about that hoes and dough too much ? wouldnt you if thats all you saw dont get it misconscrewed hes from tha gutta and just came up nice

90Milez 02-01-04 05:38 PM

Resonable Doubt didnt sell albums in the market as a huge succes, but its a fuckin *CLASSIC*

Hmmm... Sounds like the movie Scarface
Didnt do much on the movie screen, but ScarFace is a fuckin movie *CLASSIC* which is owned by like everyone!

and BluMami sayin he should get out the game..???WTF he gets out da game will just loose its already weak roster... He's one of the few left with actual talent, cuz if u gon cum N say 50 Cent, Nelly or another wack rapper has the game headed in the right direction i'll fuckin die of laughtr from ya niggaz comment's

...OpeY... 02-02-04 07:01 AM

btw... i just looked this up... jay z is in the Guiness Book of World Records for the most #1 albums in a career... that's out of every genre of music. Pretty interesting I think.

Emotion 02-02-04 07:17 AM

if u dont like him then dont listen to him its that simple

...OpeY... 02-02-04 07:22 AM

^no if u dont like him u know nothin about street rap and shouldnt even open your mouth about it or even try to listen to it.... simple as that ;)

Emotion 02-02-04 07:45 AM

I like him i havemost of his albums i am just gettin sick of theses kids bitchin about other artists who are 10000000000000X more succsessfull then they will ever be

...OpeY... 02-02-04 07:49 AM

^i second that :thumbup:

Kwizikz 02-02-04 07:58 AM

Jay is sick...period...
He's changed the game and OPey put in right bout
not sellin as much as EM etc cos of his non
appealin to White, Middle class suburban kids...

Holmes Jr. 02-02-04 08:37 AM

Quote:
Originally Posted by Gunna XL
jay-z dosen't have the streets............and jay-z is one of the most commercial rappers i've ever seen............thats why noone can quote one of his lines without lookin it up.

You are a DUMB SHIT...Jay-Z grew up in the projects HOW COULD HE NOT HAVE THE STREETS!?!?!?

Cos im young and im black and my hats real low
Do i look like a mind reader sir iono
Am i under arrest or should i guess some mo
well you was doin 55 on a 54

There I quoted it without lookin it up...hey gunna, if you can name the song that comes from without lookin it up ill dickslap you, now shut the fuck up and get out of here

Timeless 02-04-04 10:25 AM

well in my opinion he is ONE of the best, but theres so many unsigned mcees the willl kill him on the mic. he's in the top 5 of signed rappers tho.

shizz 02-05-04 11:16 PM

im gonna solve the argument here it goes
east coast = jay-z
west coast= 2pac
down bottom= cee lo- or andre 3000
white folks = eminem
oh yeah hick ass midwesterners- nelly

AmaBeANigga4Life 02-06-04 02:19 AM

i red the 1st 2 posts.... SHIT NELLY IS BETTER THEN JAYZ... that fool sold crack.... i woulda sold weed shit.... so I CAN SMOKE IT!!... and nelly nel already has as much money if not more they gayz

Holmes Jr. 02-06-04 08:30 AM

HAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

"What up cuh, who yo name is
Where you from turn around who you came wit
Is thatyou ass or yo mamma half reinder
Cant explaine it but damn sure glad yu came her"

as compared to

"Im a hustler homie, you a customer cronie
I got some dirt on my shoulder could you brush it off fo me"

Hov is so much iller...course thats a bad example of his skills but thats the song im listenin to right now so blah

Johnny 6-feet 02-06-04 02:21 PM

large record sales have absolutely nothing to do with mic skills in commercial hip-hop. its all about beats, whos backing who, guest appearances, subject matter and personal background.

if you dont know that youre a fucking moron. which you must be, since you got banned. lmao.

Da_Killa_Kid 02-06-04 02:51 PM

comparing nelly to Jay z is like apples to fuckin oranges. nelly's lyrics are nursery rhyme bullshit whereas jay z has some shit to actually say. and He will come back to rap in a few years he can't live without it.

Sleepwalker 02-06-04 02:56 PM

you're an idiot and you should not be listening to rap music..

High Class 02-06-04 04:08 PM

From seeing some stupid shit written... Just cause you might not like Jay Z doesnt mean your not from the streets. Thats so fuckin stupid, why do people say shit like that???

He does prove a point, but I know were he got this information from...

Stop watching so much MTV2 aight buddy... Its getting to your head, and people seem to be hateing it... Even though you do prove a point, a fact at that...

HK The Great 02-06-04 10:55 PM

that foo up there said nelly is tight... haha... i cant really talk shit tho i actually bought his 1st cd... but uh.. jay is sick wit it.. he was one of the first people i started to listen to back when i first started listenin to rap... anyway... just cuz you talk about money and hoes doesnt mean u have no crediability... just means thats what u was feelin when u made that song... now if u bust a fat ying yang and make that every song u can sucka dick... i also would like someone to explain what a back packer is cuz ive heard that shit and thought i knew but realized i had no idea... koo

wordplay 02-07-04 05:00 AM

jay-z is on that best rapper list..but no where near the top.....he gets props for stickin' around so long though

HeXen 02-07-04 08:28 AM

jay-z is top...dnt diss him..he could b a lot worse bro....!!!!!!!

cali_gangsta 02-07-04 09:14 AM

Quote:
Originally Posted by Gunna XL
Over 17 million albums sold….

Reasonable Doubt | 6/96 | 1xPlatinum

Vol 1. – In My Lifetime | 11/97 | 1xPlatinum

Vol. 2 – Hard Knock Life | 9/98 | 5xPlatinum

Vol. 3 – Life and Times of S. Carter | 12/99 | 3xPlatinum

Dynasty – Roc La Familia 2000 | 10/00 | 2xPlatinum
Blueprint | 9/01 | 2xPlatinum

MTV Unplugged | 12/01 | Gold

Best OF Both Worlds | 3/02 | Platinum

Blueprint 2: The Gift & The Curse | 11/02 | 2x Platinum


^^^^^^^^^^^^thats from www.rocafella.com see he hasen't even got to 20 million sold in 9 albums.

^^^^
People call him the best rapper out there and he hasent sold 25 million copies, that iz sum sad shit right there.

Holmes Jr. 02-07-04 09:44 AM

lmao do we have to shove it down these playas throats ALBUM SALES DO NOT AFFECT SKILLS IN ANY WAY...gawd are you all blind i wrote it now FUCKING READ IT ....*sigh*

DrRows 02-07-04 09:51 AM

im not a fan of jay z, but i respect what he's doing. On the line of street cred, honestly a lot of people dont like him cause he dissed biggie and he personally said that he would and has sold out and dumbed down his lyrics to make money. but on the other hand, he's about to take over the city of new york hip hop wise. THe ROC is basically taking over. Im personally a Nas fan, I think Illmatic will kill any of Jay Z's cd in my opinion. But we wont start that.

Quick Liquid 02-07-04 11:32 AM

i personally think he's good just not the best nah mean

whitelightning 02-07-04 09:30 PM

Man...This is my 1000th post...

Fuck you for being stupid...

Jay-Z appeals to a group that your hurb ass isn't included in...

Your Fired From Life.

G. Buttersworth 02-08-04 05:31 AM

"all of the hustler's love it, just to see one of us make it".

this is one of the illest Emcees to do it. if you do your research.. Jay is one of the first dudes spittin about "Hood money". since 96 he's been spitin about.. enjoying a expensive bottle of champagne on a yacht, surronded by beautiful women.. and blunt smoke.

that where the talking bout money aspect comes from.

if your from shit... and you come up to be... a ceo of a mutli-million dollar company... part owner of a basketball franchise.. and you speak.. just like the average street kid... theres something about that.. that makes his music so dope... and real.
it's not always about the lyrics.

jay is the greatest in the game right now.

and i'm tired of seeing 15yo kids ... coming in here thinking they can call someone wack.if they're so wack... why don't you bless the world with something better.

oh, i forgot.. you don't do audio. stupid fucks.

90Milez 02-08-04 07:33 PM

Lets Summarize this fuckin topic... cuz these niggas up in here hate to much

***Album sells DO NOT tell anything about an artists talent

***Nelly better than Jay, I wont even bother on this...

***Jay on Biggies dick... No not really he said himself "Im strong enough to carry biggie smalls on my back, and the whole BK nigga holla back"

***If u make a topic hatin on him, must mean he's a big deal

***He definetly has the streets behind him, and thats all that matters being thats where he came from.

PERIOD.

Holmes Jr. 02-08-04 07:40 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by whitelightning
Man...This is my 1000th post...

Fuck you for being stupid...

Jay-Z appeals to a group that your hurb ass isn't included in...

Your Fired From Life.
your fired from life AHAHAHAH thats fuckin comedy...and i totally agree wiv wat your sayin dog

JUST BLAZE 02-08-04 07:56 PM

first of all jay is the greatest breathin!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
gunna xl i hope you not suprised for getting banned after u said that shit.
damn boy u need to listen to lyrics more. and why would you want to wait every
2 years 4 a album when you can make money faster doing it every year. think boy.
reagardless of how much his albums sell he is still 1 of the riches in the business.
thats all i got to say

holla 1


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