well im not sure about top 5, but 2pac must be in the top 13, i think his IQ was likr 185 or sumthin like that, n they have collage courses on him and a collage dedicated to him and his philosophy on life makes so much sense

definately Charles Darwin the dude who sed the strongest survives
Thomas Jefferson


4get some others but yah

Tupac? He was a gangster after he didn't need to be.

Smart.

It's been proven Shakespeare didn't write all his stuff? Hmmm...could you please point me towards that proof. No, scratch that. Could you please open the door and show me some of this proof.

Because i've always thought of it in as a mere 'doubt' rather than something that has been proven. I mean come on, judging it on writing style with little to nothing else to back it up is a bit weak.

Saying that, i am not saying he DID write it all, no argument. Just that i give the benefit of the doubt to his name.

Not the most smartest? Well, i see the question as a bit too broad. But he's up there with the great 'intellects'. Someone said 'all he did was understand human nature and society'. Well, yes, that takes intelligence. To understand it and then intepret it into the work that we see today. Plays that have lasted centuries. Become universal to the extent that they have translated into many different languages to cater for the demand in many different countries.

To say 'if he didn't do it....someone else would've'...is also a bit off. One might say the same about many scientists who achieved great things.

Also saw a comment about 'i or anyone else could write waht he wrote'...er, really? Hmmm, maybe you'd like to submit 5 lines for us. Don't worry, i'll wait by the phone, ready to call The Shakespeare Company about the 'second coming' of their prodigal...


Oh, and i've only ever read two Shakespeare plays fully. Not fully into 'his' work. But i can appreciate what it is. The recognition of subteltites is usually what makes one realise the true extent of his work. And the extent of 'inteligence' it takes to write such things. Oh, and can't forget how important his work is to the English language. Though there was someone before him who they say is the 'unsung hero'. His name escapes my mind..

But hey, i also appreciate other points of views. His name just came off the top off me head when writing a couple names down. And one cannot argue him popping up in people's 'lists'...as he was a man of genius in his fields. At least, what was in his name...

myamoto was just deep and introspective really. although no doubt a genius, he isn't one of the best.

as for people saying einstein, although he was indeed extremely clever, something's he made have started to be thgouht of as wrong. stephen hawking is only thoughtof as intellgient cos he wrote a book. althgouh smart, he isn't too great. some of his ideas are being disclaimed now too. can't remeber the detaiuls though i'm afraid cos i looked into it all a while back.

my list though? not sure to be honest. i agree hitler was genius, but only in his ability to manipulate a crowd. it all depends on what part of genius you're measuring. some people are geniuses when it comes to numbers (eg. pythagoras), some with words (eg.chaucer), and others have the ability to work out exactly what people are thinking and how to make them think what you want (eg. Hitler). you get spacial and artistic genius too, such as good old picasso or da vinci.

There's one guy that i do have on my list, but i can;t remeber his name. he's a physician that got a nobel prize like 5 years after getting his degree or something. made huge discoveries towards nanotechnology with the aid of a biological dye. complete genius. can't really say beyond that. too many fields of genius really to draw a comparison on a small scale.

i believe he wrote his own stuff but did not come up with the plots. .

Shakespeare wrote more than 30 plays covering a variety of subjects and genres--tragedies, comedies, and histories. His plays are remembered mainly for three things--the beauty of the words he wrote, the excellence of his storytelling, and his inventiveness with words. He used a vocabulary of more than 20,000 different words (the King James Bible, in contrast, uses less than 10,000 different words), many of which he invented himself and which are still in use today. His plays dealt with such important themes as how a country should be run, how power should be transferred, and how to respond to an unjust government, but he also showed great insight into matters such as relationships within families and between men and women.
There have been many arguments about whether Shakespeare really wrote the plays that are attributed to him. It has been argued that he did not have enough education or the background to use language the way he did or to have the insight into human nature, history, and the various issues that he treats in his plays. It has been proposed that another person or persons actually wrote the plays, using Shakespeare as a "front." This person might have been a member of the nobility who did not want to be openly associated with the theater. However, these theories did not surface until long after Shakespeare's death. The written record indicates that Shakespeare's friends and contemporaries certainly accepted him as the author of the plays attributed to him, and it was not until many decades after his death that his authorship was questioned. It seems unlikely that such a secret could have been kept by so many people, and in the absence of convincing evidence that he did not write the plays, or that someone else did, it is generally accepted now that Shakespeare wrote the plays attributed to him.

Few of Shakespeare's plays were based on plots of his own invention. He drew on the history of England (Henry VIII, Henry V, King John), old stories (Hamlet), classical history (Julius Caesar, Anthony and Cleopatra), Italian stories (Merchant of Venice, Two Gentlemen from Verona), and contemporary prose (As You Like It, A Winter's Tale). However, he always improved on his source materials, for example, by expanding minor characters, introducing entirely new characters, rearranging plots to make them more effective, giving the a wider philosophical outlook, and writing wonderful dialogue to put in the mouths of the characters.

Shakespeare's influence continues until this day. His plays are still staged all over the world, and they continue to influence playwrights, directors, theater designers, and actors.

Shakespeare by S Kathleen and Kenji Kitao

nah its proven shakespear didnt right some i=of his shit, but tupac was a genious, even tho he didnt need to be

Hitler wasn't exactly a genius, but he was a great speaker, one of the best(Just not a good guy). On other people's lists, you meantion people that aren't super smart, but are great speakers. They come off the tongue smart that way.

Anyways, I heard Einstein used like 17% of his brain, normal people now use like under 10%. I heard that he had the most almost ever. And the person with the highest IQ in the world is a woman (Or was a woman).

Loki - Plots? Well yes. But the basis of plots he did not come up with he nonetheless did so much with. Built upon them to make them his own.

He showed that he could come up with his own plots which were more than up to standard. One could put it all down to artist-writer choice. The path he chose as he felt right artistically.

I don't think it means as much as some people make it out to be. Esepcially on it's own.

i agree. from that post about where he got the inspiration from, it gave me the impression he drew the ideas from the world around him. and besides, a plot would be nothign without the writing to make it into an actual story.

Koalatee
Penskills-going to all those colleges..
Me
My guy in the sigg..
Einstein

Yeah with his 185 IQ.


HAHAHAHA.

"Even tho he didn't need it" - what the fuck ?

Hitler? or any political leader belonging to a party being one of the worlds smartest is the most bogus comment ever made you faggit...the leader is merely the spokesperson for everything his workers have created...Hitler was no genius...A great orator & schemer he was...fuck off...and this kid put himself in the top 5 smartest in the world haha...you're a fucken clown mate...

The smartest cunts are the inventors, scientists, doctors...the people you or I have probably never heard of...some fucken geek makin some revolutionary drug in his basement right now could be the greatest genius earth has ever created...Ancient cunts whose histories are still read today in a time where literature was neglected...To throw a current name up though...Stephen Hawking is beyond normality in intelligence...read some of that fellas theories...they'll get ya thinking...

i guarantee shakespeare would lose in an IQ test against the majority of mensa

1. einstein
2. hitler was a fucked up genuis, but he still was one kinda
3. shakespeare, he was good at writin
4. abraham lincoln, he stops slavery
5. martin luther king, no more racism...

Some of the most intelligent people in the world will tell you IQ tests are not a true measure of 'intelligence'. Especially in the field of arts-creativity.

"Ye triangle measures twenty for 55 apples in a leaking heart of..."

IQ tests. Limits they do have...

1. Me
2. Myself
3. Canuck
4. The guy in the Mirror
5. BounceDoggyDogg (Only cuz I havn't seen/heard any1 on a battle site as smart as him)

Uh...

Since ya singling me out...

Fuck off!

this subject deffinately holds a broad spectrum of nominees..i doubt anyones list could be wrong..i made my list according to philosophical inspiration..but theres many i could've named..i asked some people at my work who they thought..most said Stephen Hawking, some said Galileo and Carl Sagan..shoot..one guy even said Mr. Wizard..

dope idea for a thread though..very dope..

Einstein was da real genius if u go do da equation EMC2 shit man.

i'm not sure who you're referring to here. althogh agree, hitler was nowhere near one of the most intelligent people ever, he was still intelligent. And, as much as i hate the guy, he was actually an extremely talented and manipulative speaker. The ability to manipulate a huge crowd, let alone a previously free conutry is in fact a very important skill, and only the most intelligent people can do it (that was all he could do though really). It's also true that he woudl have been nothing witout his countrymen, germany would still be screwed now most likely if it wasn't for him kick starting their economy to prepare for war. Stephen Hawking is also very intelligent, but he's not one of the best. scientists world wide did a survey on the most influential scientists ever, and he did extrmely badly in it. he is well intelligent though, so i guess that's a good point.

Preformers do it all the time.. Look at groupies


Every person need leadership, every person needs some sence of following, we all hold are own flaws or insercuritys which in it self is a flaw.. This is how humans were built
I see it as this, look at humans. Ok now look at players, pimps, people that use people..
All hold the common bond of manipulation. to say hilter was a Manipulater, YES that would be a correct statment.
I disagree with your statment because i feel that the only thing hilter held was a thought he helped others to think,egaurdless if it were right or not. Look at guys and how they make girls belive anythign they want, it was simple a matter of trust, as well a exploiting ons fellings towards another race and lower poverty. What better way to say HEY, look it we get rid of them theres more for us..

that was the basics of hilters thoughts when it comes down to it i think.As well as a simple passion it hate for the country, but it COULD have been an act..

Alls, LoL this is funny.. HILTER well the missle used in WW2 were basic, in short they were a shoot and hit type of thing, wher you just point them were you wanted.. landing how far they went, hitting targets.. didnt really work well. A man introduced a type of guidence system for these, offerd to hilter, but he declined, and only bought a thousand.
The allies and the us picked the rest up, and severly helped the war to bring us closer to discovering the nuke. hilter was power tripping thinking he didnt need those, and decided to keep the money. Hilter was pithedic, andn him being called a genius is stupid i think.Calling him a genius is the same as calling mason a genius... (take charles OR marlyn)

Anyways um, depends on what your saying is intelligent yeamean?

Um everyone at Mensa (Duh)
Steven Hawking
The creator of the commercil.


im reading a book right now called Mensa - genius quiz book,

So far its pretty the ish type of thing if your into puzzles, but its irretating as hell, ill drop da answer later.. All yall should pick it up..

Albert Einstein.
Charles Darwin.
Sigmund Freud.

Meh, that's all I can think of.

Fuck tha most intelligent...
Heres tha most intelligent rappers

Canibus
Immortal Technique
Nas
Common Sense
Rakim

Blah Im still not calling him a genius but this was foudn in the Mensa genius quiz book,


I tend to find it some what self indulving to have a book by mensa run along the same path of explaining inteligence as i did :) and i hadnt even gotten to that part of the book, truth be told i hadnt read more than three pages.

^As you said, his manipulation was basic. He said what he felt, the others reacted. Maybe he did ammend it A BIT now and again for effect. But overall, it was something simple yet powerful which the masses of Germany craved for. Their saviour from the duldrums of extreme depression. From the humiluation of being stripped of their national identity. Many felt they were walking around naked. He was offering them fine clothes and then some...

The level of intelligence to manipulate the way he did was not as high as some people think. Well, probably not. As he could've been 'putting it on', on purpose. In which case...he still wasn't a genius. It was just an ingenius thing to do. A 'non-genius' can have moments of genius. But still not be a genius.

By the way, everyone at Mensa? Er, i know some people at Mensa. Not all of them are as sharp as one may think. Mensa has its flaws you know...IQ tests have their flaws.

Exactly.

I could not agree more.

And I think the idea of labeling a person with some sort of number is overrated.

50 cent
g-unit
bonecrusher
lil jon & eastside boys
bill gates

If 50 cent is so smart why is part of his crew in jail HMMMMMM :)

why people puttin rappers in?
They ain't as smart as Einstein!

because they trying to keep the black man down.

umm outcome.. do you happen to be rar-one?.





oh for you newbies, i was being sarcastic.

Karl Marx =)

"If you're not a socialist at sixteen.. You have no heart.. If you're not a captialist at forty.. You have no brains.."

i take it the geniuses behind mensa cant spell?

and once again i'll make the point..

it takes a genius to know a genius

these are the peope i think are the smartest, taken from my point of view, not anybody else's:

mozart, the man was a genius, every piece of music he touched was great. (i actually like some classical music)

Shakesphere, he knew how to play on emotions, but considering the time period, an what we 'now' know about human behavior, he may of been pretty advanced for his time,

the firsts intelects,
imagine back when the goverment was first formed, an they had everyone under control, (an authoritarian rule, i think) and the views an ideals were followed by everyone in the country. a peaceful country were every one knows where they stand, an the one day someone tells somebody else something!! that completely changes their perspective on the goverment, an they begin to realize what the goverment is actually doing. And these people challenge so much that they are considered threats to the goverment!! being the first 'thinker' ever, would be a man/woman of genius stature.



i know there are more smart people, but i cant think of them at the moment!!

Yea im Rar one, LoL sup... And before that i was Truforce as well..

You the real G??? Youve been rockin that name a Grip

I know a lot about human behavior and human emotion, and I have never taken any classes on psychology. It's just learning to pay attention to people and how they react to things. But, I'm not a genius by any means, my IQ would probably be nothing more than normal.

yeah.

damn. good to see one of the dope heads.. from way back.. posting here again.

Whoever says Hitler evidently doesn't know History. His stupidity of attacking Russia while at the same time facing an undefeatable adversary on his West was the DUMBEST STRATEGIC WAR MOVE IN HISTORY.

^ yes it was very dumb..but..at the same time..this man came from nothing..and became one of the most powerful person of his time...I'm not a fan of his..but...In my opinion he was a genius...

Wow, you know little. Hitler wasn't a great man, he was smart as fuck tho.

As well as 'War Stratigies' go, you will never know what was happening at that time. What about the British dude (brain fart) who basically sacrificed 75000 of his own troops, to win the war..........wasn't smart in those 75000 pairs of eyes, but for the entire war it was..............