Race has nothing to do with someone thinking Eminem is the best or not =/ its just an opinion...and Immortal Technique IS dope, but you cant compare him to Eminem because they both have completely different styles and approaches in Hip Hop, same shit with Illmatic and Paid in Full...they're completely different from MMLP you cant compare them.

peace

Aight the only reason I got all emotional is because you said you question my race. That's bullshit. How is my choice of music gonna determine my race? Shit fuck black people.

I never even mentioned that and I'm not black OR white, my questioning of your race is motly people who are so mbadly dickriding em ar peopel who are white even rock fans feel the dude I have respect for the dude and all but he isn't the way you see him and so what if he doesnt promote drugs or guns or not it's not what you rap about it's how you do it.

because he's white and raps thats why.....(No Offence to anyone)

Nah he makes a good note that he's joking around. All the other rappers are trying to prove that they're real.

I'm a Drama Setter, gripping my baretta sipping Armaretta
Man you crazy if you think Ima let up
I told you I'm a Drama Setter
I'll be the first to set it homie, you can bet it just don't get in the way of my chedda
Man cause I'm a Drama Setter
I don't go looking for no trouble but somehow the trouble always finds me
Don't make me have you in the trauma center
With you momma crying cause her only son is dying
She don't know it's just your karma catching upcause I'm a Drama Setter

EVERY emcee puts out something wack sooner or later, does that make their whole carreer a flop?

same shit goes with Nas, Rakim, everyone...and they're legendary...why cant you give Em his props?

That was on a gangsta rappers song. Wtf he had to do it for other rappers. He's doing it for yayo.

Yes you can compare all those to each other there all complete albums and you can judge by which ones are better made and everything and immortal technique can be compared to eminem eminem has a better flow and bla bla bla i can go on and on you are very wrong in all that yo can even compare rock artists to hip hop artists by accomplisments or plain by which one madebetter music and more classics

Jay-Z>>>>>>>>>>>Linkin Park simple as that.



I wasn't completely serious with that. read my previous post anyway and if your black why are you saying fuck black people

Just to say it.. thats my slogan.

Thats your opinion...some people like rock better and would say Linkin Park is better, just because you say Jay is better doesnt mean he is...its ALL opinion...you're not god, and wait till he explains why he hates black people lol, you cant dispute his argument over that =/

Rakim never put out ANYTHING wack just after hisfirst two the rest of his albums were average but he always murdered collaborations he's a master of spitting 16's as far as nas goes It was written and I Am...are incredibly underrated Nastradamus was below average but he came back with a borderline classics the lost apes was sick, God's Son ain't bad jsut a few wack sogns and some of it's a little borings Street's disciple is not as badas everyone says it is either. if eminem can't come back with another good album i think he's lost bu the way i see it his career is going just like Nas, and he will drop a good album

And no you cant compare Technique to Em

Immortal Technique = Revolutionary
Em = isnt

end of story, you cant compare them...it just boils down to music taste.

peace

Lol word I don't wanna get a big thing, but If he wants I'l ldef explain it.

What is??????????

Nastradamus was wack and he DID come out with a classic afterwards. Em didnt make another album yet so give him another chance to come back with his classic.

LMAO @ thinking Eminem's the best. Have you actually compared his lyrics to say Nas's or Canibus'? They outshine him on every level: vocabulary, multies, imagery, artistic style. I can bring ya examples if ya want.

Also 2Pac had way better delivery, Xzibit's got a way better voice (though that's a matter of taste I guess). Name any aspect of rap, I'll name someone who does it better than Em, hence why he's not the best

Right...so give Em a chance to come back from Encore like you're giving Nas a chance.

compose i can give him his props.. but he has done wack shit ON PURPOSE. In reality no on ewill ever know why he done it unless your in his production team.

You two are acting like you know him and know what goes thru his head.


My perspective of it.. anyone who purposly makes rap music to make fun of it or literally downgrade our music deserves no respect.. no matter what acheivments he previously has.


Say I was in your family.. adn i helped yall out alot.. got you living compfrtable and all that...then went and purposly used your family to do pathetic shit to express my own opinion..would you repsect that.

The real rap heads shoudl be able to see that what he done with rap( in his later days) is downright disrespecting it and downgrading it just to voice his own personaly opinion.

He did not invent rap.. he is not the founder.. he is not the owner . he is simply another rapper therefore he has no right to disrespect and downgrade it with the bullshit he has been doing recently.

open your fucking eyes

Technically Mosh=revolutionary ish there is lots of things you can call revolutionary if you look deeply enough



What if someone says something that is blatantly stupid ie MC HAMMER>>>>Eminem will yo keep going on with that opinion crap peopel need to cut it with that.

Do YOU know him? And why are you pissed at eminem about disrespecting it? C murder said fuck hip hop. Royce da 5/9 said fuck hip hop. And somehow em is killing it? Most of the people on RV was inspired by him anyways. Open YOUR eyes.

Werd...Canibus is better then Em lyrically imo, but Nas aint better lyrically...he just has more hood concepts that relate to more people.

Pac is on my top 3 for his delivery and messages, I cant stand xzibits voice, Bis's voice is way better i love that raw battle shit.

But Em was dope, listen to Infinite that shit is insane lyrically.

Eminem's voice is annoying anyway...you guys probably never knew this but he kind of(note kind of) bit off cage....but im not gonna take away from eminem because jay-z has done it damn jay-z has a little bit of Nasin him when he raps he used to be Nas's biggest fan. but let's stay on topic shall we

nah..your wrong...

you need to relise.. someoen with that much power in rap shoudl be doing nothign but good for it.

you seem to have all the answers so...
.... Why is it,when he reached the highest pinical he could get to in rap, he didnt make an effort to help rap evolve away from the pathetic mainstream he himself help influence?

Why did he boost the wackness and make the songs he done.

Eminem is more point on multi's and all that technical ish and i htink he is better than canibus lyrically becuase he has spit more that goes down in hip hop history as legendary that's why Nas is way better than eminem your wrong there list some of nas' best quotable, em only has better....punchlines......multis etc. Nas has better constructed verses and go are legendary and essenstial hip hop verses. Not to say eminem doesnt have those just not as ood as his. nas is way ebtter in writing lyrics with the description and all...Eminem's best verses...Lose yourself, Stan, Renegade....Nas's best....anything from illmatic particulary NY state of mind and the world is yours, I Gave You Power seveal songs of stillmati, Undying Love, No Idea's original, Drunk by myself I could go on and on Nas>>>>>>>>Eminem

Why would he do anything like that if people hated on him his whole career. Honestly if it wasn't for white people he wouldn't have been successful. Most of the black dudes here are hating on him to death. Just let him do him. He has his own vision for his music. Theres no reason to hate people who like him.

I'm a HUGE nas fan. In different moods I like Nas better. But most of the time I'm more of a em fan. Em is the greatest to me. You're not gonna change that cdus. Just stop sayign I don't know shit because I dont think like you. Hip hops gonna get even more repetitive if you keep slapping limitations on what hip hop is.

I said you don't know shit once. and it's ok to have an opinion and no im not trying to change your mind or anything like that not to mention I was replying to compose. By the way your question was how is em not the best like he def. is hte best and everyone is the idiot for not agreeing GTFOH

I was tralkin to Cdus. He talkin down on me like I'm some idiot. THats BS.

By the way your question was how is em not the best like he def. is hte best and everyone is the idiot for not agreeing GTFOH. and BTW you quoted me but were talking cdus i get you. :laugh:

He DID help Hip Hop, you just focus yourself on the singles

look at MMLP
1 wack single

the rest of the fucking album wasnt like that, stop judging his entire carreer off of his singles, if you cant realize how he helped Hip Hop then listen again until you do, cuz obviously you havent listened to everything from him.

2003-Present = wack, didnt contribute to Hip Hop
The rest of his life = dope, and did contribute to Hip Hop...aint nobody use Multies like him since Big Pun, and wordplay was only used by Canibus and Chino XL. Rakim was in and out of the game.

Eminem is not the best rapper at just one aspect.There ARE people with better lyrics and there ARE people with better flow/delivery.
But the thing about eminem is that combines all of them the best.He's the best all-around rapper.

And not to mention..the least one-dimensional.He subject matter is really diverse,and that's what separates him from 95% of the rest.

& LASTLY...VOCAB MEANS NOTHING IN RAP.

meh, i dunno deph... if it werent for all of his recent arab-talking puppet-mocking random poppy shit he's been putting out, i would be a whole lot more reluctant to consider siding with you.

I'm a HUGE nas fan. In different moods I like Nas better. But most of the time I'm more of a em fan. Em is the greatest to me. You're not gonna change that cdus. Just stop sayign I don't know shit because I dont think like you. Hip hops gonna get even more repetitive if you keep slapping limitations on what hip hop is.

And I quoted u because u mentioned nas.

^Exactly...hes the best all around, dope lyrics, dope beats, makes money, is respected in mainstream AND underground

who else has done all of that? Jay-Z? Jay aint as good as Em...

there are artists who can drop doper lyrics, who can make doper beats, but do they have ALL of it at one time? Em has had everything and hes been consecutive with it, not counting everything after Eminem Show...

and dont say I'm not counting Encore, I realize he did wack on there, but his positive outshine his negative, his entire career did not flop just because of Encore, his whole career is currently flopping because hes rich, and the only problems he has is with his family...when he has money he writes about his problems but back in the day he wrote shit for his own style or battle oriented shit.

VOCAB is a LOT in RAP...no vocal=no words....ur expression is LIMITED...WTF

AND..EMINEM ??? BEST ?? BWAHAHAH..his 1st few albums were HOTTTT but..don't make him the best..wtf's wrong w ur ass ?

look at wtf happen to him man...i gave his last Cd away and the eminem show..garbage..

he got weak man..and he's not rounded near enough ...he's a great battle rapper and a skilled lyricist..but not NEAR "the best"...who we all know is me =]

hey deph, you skipped me :(

Because blay didnt make my sig.

well i aint blay... im bl4y... :cool: worrd

stfu and make me a sig. :thumbup: