look...i honestly don't think in ur heart ur a racist...nah...I've seen racists before and dealt with them...I jus think it wasn't the best choice of words, all things considered


anyway...nice shootin the bull wit ya


I still don't like it though.

^^^^^wat u should have said right at the start

I believe I just said it

'shootin the bull'(very holden caufield-ish) lol-that offends me cuz bulls are characteristic of............blah blah blah blah......
nah im just joking, ape probably wasnt the best choice of word to describe a black woman but he didnt mean it in a racsist way. Its like calling an ugly person a dog, or pig, he just didnt realise that he had to make exceptions when talking about black ppl (and thats a whole other issue)

ok i read most of this thread.

first of all, i never actually said you was racist red bull, i called you on your choice of words.

what tha q is saying is..... put yourself in this situation.... u see a black man n think hes ugly and said "hes an ugly nigger" and then another black man heard u, and called u on it, and you said "but, but ,but i only called him in particular a nigger,i wasnt saying all blacks are niggers" do you honestly think your walking away with ur head on ur body??? i mean honestly???

the same applies here

monkey and ape are terms that are to this day still used to insult BLACK PEOPLE.... now u turn round and say "damn that black girl looks like a monkey or an ape" n a black dude heard u n called u on it, do u think u will get away with "but i was only calling her monkey-like, not all black people" do u honestly think he is going to let u live after u just used a word that is used to degrade people by racists to describe how ugly you think a black woman is????

they are both exactly the same, actually a black person, monkey is just as bad as calling them nigger, simply because of its history and the fact it is still used today to insult black people..... how would u feel if u was black, and people called u, ur family n friends e.t.c monkeys because they are racist n wanna insult u, and then u hear sum1 say "damn that black girl looks like a monkey".... do u honestly beleive you would shrug it off n not be offended???? i know damn well that i wouldnt.

me being white if i heard a white man say sumthin bout a black person lookin like a monkey, be it a joke or not, i would still lay them out, plain n simple...... all we saying is watch ur choice of words.... ive learned from experiences, in a heated argument once, i didnt realise id said it, but the kid was actin like a fuckin clown n pissin me, so i said he shud get a job as a circus monkey(basically talkin bout his personality) but didnt realise how it sounded to a group of black people that was there with him, n got stomped out.... it offends people, you might not intend it to offend people like that, you might find it pathetic or whatever, but you have to realise, they have their reasons for it, and quite rightly so, so just be carefull with ur choice of words is all we saying.

Is it alright for black people to call white people "crackers" and "honkys"?

technically no cos its very offensive as it is purely about their colour. Whereas ape isnt just about colour, its look

i wouldnt be bothered tho

I was just wondering, because they use it a lot in my area, but get really mad when I white person uses the "n-word".

ive never once heard cracker or honky used over here, but personally i cant see how cracker and honkey relates to our color and offending us???.... i mean, monkey/ape, majority of black people have nose's shaped like serina, and tend to have fuller lips, and then there is the skin color, thats where the words started being used to offend, n i feel too many people are ignorant to that fact, but cracker e.t.c..... how is that offensive to white people???? to me its just a slang word thats faster and easier to say than white person

Eh, it's regarded as a racial slur.

but how??? what exactly does it diss for it to offend us????

EXACTLY, because as far as I'm concerned, APE is not a synonym for Ugly. What it was, was a disrespect of Black/African features--i.e., broad/flat noses, full lips, and dark skin. I don't see Red Bull calling an "ugly" white person an APE. It's disrespectful, PERIOD.

i'm offended...:rolleyes:

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but ye lighten up a little...he prolly didn't mean it like that...but i can totally understand your view point Q coz i understand the history of the word and it is racial slur...but sometimes things are said out of context...it's good you pulled him up on it i think your points been made...and justifiably too...

some people think it's jus n***a that pisses black people off but if you understand the history of slavery and the shit that was said & done...i think Red Bull mighta chose his words differently...

thats my opinion...

^ my post reason...i'm neither here or there with this thread...but i can understand Q's view points...shouldn't of said it...but i think it's one of those type before you think posts...

^^Yea well, unfortunately, people "type" and "do" before they think when it should count for more...

racism and ignorance has NO PLACE in modern society...


and yes, it is a rcial slur, whether he chose to use as such or not...that doesn't diminish the fact that it's a terrible choice of words coming from a white person's mouth.

And there is no compromise on it.

I tried to find something to post from b-boys, but the site is still down. It was a picture of one of the text heads there, a white guy might I add, who really did look a lot like an ape. A line about that was even used in a battle against him.

Red Bull don't argue with Tha Q on a serious tip, everyone knows Serena looks like an ape, so does Danny Glover and a few other people.

I'm black and I'll say it again, she does look like an ape. That is not being racist, so getting into the Ku Klux Klan has SHIT to do with him saying she look like an ape. She do. That's not a racist comment. The end.

For the record, I think 50 Cent looks like a horse. A lot of white people say he looks like a gorilla, but that's only because they're stupid and think he's in the "Gorilla" Unit. Yeah, I just wanted to clear that up before any fingers got e-pointed at me for being racist.

Naw 50 Cent looks like a chipmunk or gopher.... Jay Z looks like the Camel off the cigarette boxes.

For some reason, I've always thought of Gary Coleman as a puppet.

Be serious Red Bull. You would have never called he an ape if she weren't black. If you're trying to convince people otherwise, be serious man, who's gonna believe you when you don't even believe your excuse your self?

Weather you want to officially title your self as racist or what ever, that's on you, but what you said is fueled by race. You may think you love black people, and may sleep only on black sheets and all that other We are The World bullshit, but what you said is definitely racist.

^ No, it really wasn't. It was an opinion. If you can find me a picture of a white girl that has the same face as Mrs. Williams, I'd say the same thing..

There goes your notion of "NO ONE ELSE AGREES WITH YOU Q"...wuts the excuse now?...I brainwashed them?...Shit is wrong dawg...

African (black) features typically consist of:

BROAD NOSE
DARK SKIN
TIGHTLY CURLED (nappy) HAIR
LARGE/FULL LIPS


Serena has a typical black/African nose = broad...

She has dominant features, such as a a prominent face = African features

Redbull...you obviously ARE NOT attractive to those AFRICAN features = FINE

HOWEVER, to say "Serena looks like an APE" is racist because it's not a RIP on her being UGLY, it's a RIP on AFRICAN/BLACK features which is RACIST.

The word is rooted in hate and bigotry. Therefore, anyone who uses it is invoking the spirit of that hate.


Just accept it dawg. No one here is blatantly calling you a racist. But, what you said was racial and it was inappropriate. Most white people DO NOT have African/BLACK features...That makes sense...They're EUROPEAN!

Just admit that you think she's unattractive = OKAY, but that you used a bad chose of words to convey that. THis thread will be done with. UNtil then, more people are going to tell you the SAME DAMN THING. IT WAS WRONG.PERIOD.