AIDS is a virus, and therefore is not living... and therefore can not change to try to "survive".... because it can neither live nor die

the one thats in existance now is the same one that was originally "created" or somehow came into being according to you

AIDS is not man made. Seriously.

Only a fucking idiot would claim that the government would start a virus like as a form of "population control." But, everything has to be a government conspiracy, so there you go.

(what i just said above was in response to the discussion on the first page)

I didnt say it was for population control
but you cant say the government isnt suspicious
and not neccessarily the US government

no, "right".... viruses are NOT living
dont fuck wit AP Biology :cool:

Why is it so far fetched?...the gov might not have made it, and they might have...but to completely disreguard the fact that they might have is ignorant, you never know if they did or not, its the perfect plan when you think about it, the population is rising like crazy, besides war, what else can they do to control it, napolean did it through wars and nobody knew that was his intention until later in time, it could go either way, but you cant say someone is idiotic for believing that, its a matter of opinion.

well, i understand what you were getting at with the Darwin thing but he only addresses all LIVING things... viruses are NOT living. Although they show some characteristics of living organisms, scientists have classified them as non living... The thing is, they are made up of DNA wrapped in a protein coating, which are both VERY BOILOGICAL and i think organic materials. We may be wrong about viruses, maybe they are living, but i dont think that they evolve and maintain homeostasis and all that like darwin says...

no...virus's are living, like I said, otherwise they wouldnt do anything, dead things dont move, but virus's move.

lmao, are you serious?
that concept of living things is so elementary

and wow, ur post that i quoted about that dissapeared :huh:


but anyways, viruses cannot reproduce without a host cell, and are therefore not living organisms....

vi·rus
n. pl. vi·rus·es

Any of various simple submicroscopic parasites of plants, animals, and bacteria that often cause disease and that consist essentially of a core of RNA or DNA surrounded by a protein coat. Unable to replicate without a host cell, viruses are typically not considered living organisms.
A disease caused by a virus.
Something that poisons one's soul or mind: the pernicious virus of racism.


want another source? look anywhere dawg....
viruses are NOT living, ur wrong

No no no, not for population control, people keep sayin that
I was thinkin more of biological warfare.
it was maybe created to slow down ecomony.
Maybe AIDS is just a prototype and they are developing somethin stronger than AIDS that kills you quicker think about it.

Country A is at war with country b
country A capture a few prisoners, and let them go back to their country
BLAOW
It starts to spread like crazy.
Sex is a very deadly weapon, cos just about everybody do it

exactly.... people are throwin scientific shit that they have no idea about around wayyy too much in this thread

Darwin does not apply to viruses whatsoever

Question: Are viruses living?
Kim Michalek

Answer: There is a tremendous debate about this question - scientists do not agree
on the answer. Some people consider them to be just a bunch of chemicals. Other
people consider them to be living parasites, because they require the metabolic
machinery of host cells to survive. But they do reproduce, and they do have genetic
material, so many people consider them to be the simplest living organisms. Probably
the safest answer is that viruses have both living and nonliving characteristics.
Source: BIOLOGY, by Neil Campbell, third edition
Ellen Mayo

Viruses are parasites, and they will mutate to continue "living" on their host. The difference between AIDs and other viruses is that AIDs mutates way faster then anything else. There's no cure because it keeps changing to continue "living" on its host.

That's a touchy subject. Some consider them alive, some don't. They DO manipulate though Mr. Same Biology as Me.

you are a dumb ass mother fucker... did you ever take BIOLOGY??
there are 5 things that define a living organism...

1) it must be made up of one or more cells... VIRUSES ARENT MADE UP OF CELLS... LIKE I SAID B4, THEY ARE DNA IN A PROTEIN COAT...

2) They must be able to reproduce... VIRUSES DONT REPRODUCE, THEY LOCK ON TO A HOST AND CORRUPT THE CELL'S DNA, IN TURN CORRUPTING OTHER CELL'S DNA AND CAUSING DAMAGE

3) They must maintain homeostasis... THIS MEANS THEY MUST MAKE CHANGES TO THEMSELVES IN ORDER TO SURVIVE... THEY DONT.. PERIOD

I cant remember the other two right off hand but living organisms must follow ALL FIVE.... and if it fails the first THREE, then it cannot possible pass ALL FIVE.....
and dumbass... DO PLANTS MOVE? i didnt think so, but they ARE living...

since they do NOT reproduce on their own, which is the main reason that they are not considered living organisms, Darwin's laws do not apply to viruses.... the reproducing issue that we're dealing with here with Darwin and survival....

WERD... me and fux both take ap bio...

That would be dumb to do. Cuz once there's always a chance that it'll come back to country A.

i got an Eye for seein my name mentioned........ werddddddddd

man hell yeah, i had that shit last year


im in college now....

thats why it hasnt been done yet

lmao @ yall gettin so touchy...get a hug or somethin, yes I took biology about 3 years ago, I believe them to be alive, but they do have dead characteristics...if they have atleast 1 thing about them that differs from the rest, then you cant take out the possibility of it being alive.

I didn't say that the idea is far fetched, but it seems to me that EVERYTHING negative somehow has a conspiracy tied to the government and it's fucking annoying. Is it so hard to believe that the government doesn't want to kill off hundreds of millions of people all over the world?

government administered crack
you DO know that right?

To say that AIDS "came fomr a monky in africa" is retarded. That's the identical excuse for eboli, yet you've never seen one single monkey in your entire life that had AIDS OR HIV OR Eboli. Primates have unprotected sex all the time, do they have any AIDS crisis? Nope. That theory = complete bullshit.

Furthermore, AIDS is a virus. Virus' become more powerful through evolution. AIDS came from nowhere. No prior incarnations of any virus in humans even remotely close to it prior to this, so how did it get here, and on top of that, how'd it get so powerfully lethal (a state that Virii evole into) literally overnight? By Magic? Fell from the sky? It's so conveniently packaged that it's 1/24th the size of the smallest hole in a latex condom, it's spread through sex (and some cases, particularly married couples, have shown it had spread through kissing) and goes undetected for months before you start to show any kind of signs, so you could be spreading it and not even know it. Not to mention, unlike other viruses that feed off certain chemicals or compounds in your body in order to thrive, AIDS' only purpose is to kill your white blood cells and stop you from fighting off OTHER diseases? That means AIDS would put it self at the bottom of the food chain and open the door for other virii to take it's meal which means AIDS sets you up for the kill and nothing more - and NO species of ANYTHING on the planet does that. Don't you find this all quite coincidental for a virus that sprung up literally overnight? Who would have the technology and multi-billion dollar grants and top secret clearances to even create such a foul disease? BTW, don't buy for a minute that AIDS is only transmitted via sex. They say it only takes one atom of the virus to infect your body. They use "breathalizers" to determine your BLOOD alchohol level, simply by measuring the content of each in your breath. This means that microscopic traces of your blood are evidently airborne. There's blood in your breath, there's blood in your saliva, and there's even blood in your urine, stool, and even being secreted by your skin right now. The body dosen't discharge anything that dosen't contain blood.


Also, if you didn't notice, our "government" largely consists of married idividuals who are super-right wing christians that look down on others as Sinners and demons anyway. As far as they see it, AIDS isn't a problem. Besides, no epidemic have ever affected the wealthy, so why change now? They feel AIDS is a "virus that only affects the poor and gays". America is already overpopulated, you think they give a shit if a few million "poor or gay people" die? That's more money for them. They make more money off you being dead than you staying alive. There's more jobs, more natural resources available, it opens up more realestate for them to take their share of the nations profits while the places you lived in are knocked down and more expensive housing for higher income tax payers are moved in. The political views of the "poor and gay" are insignifigant to them, so you dying gives them more freedom to implement what they want. It's an obvious solution to what they consider as a blatant problem.

Wait till a hybrid of AIDS comes out that more geared to affects blacks than any other race (EXACTLY like how Sicklecell was designed to do) and before you know it...heh..I don't gotta tell the rest of the story because some of you already see that that's exactly what's happening. The news everywhere will be saying black people are the cause for AIDS and crazy white people will say it's from someone in Africa who had sex with a primate as if that were even possible (yet no HIV or AIDS-bearing Primate has or will EVER be found) and before you know it, everyone believes blacks are disease bearers, when history shows whites have ALWAYS brought disease to new lands. Anyone ever had Chicken pox, Herpes, crabs, a cold, typhoid fever, strep throat, measles, or bronchitis? Thank Christopher Columbus. "The first American" put these ailments in diseased blankets that he offered to the native americans as a sign of peace, but wiped them out by the tens of thousands. These were ailments never before experienced by the Native american people or for that matter, anyone else in America till then. After he hunted down the remaining survivors and fed their remains to his dogs, what did he do? Took their land, raped their women, and moved in people who had money that he wanted to have some of. To keep em contained today, they're "given" Reservations (which are essentially trailor parks) to live in and to keep thme all clustered together, and casinos to syphon their money out of their pockets. Replace "casino" with "crack" and "Reservation" with "The Projects" (good name for a science experiment isn't it?) and it's completely identical. All you gotta do now is plug in a sickness that'll help do the killing for you and boom, you're golden.

And this is why AIDS exists. Just a very important piece of a global puzzle.

I'm breaking that post down a paragraph at a time:

To say that AIDS "came fomr a monky in africa" is retarded. That's the identical excuse for eboli, yet you've never seen one single monkey in your entire life that had AIDS OR HIV OR Eboli. Primates have unprotected sex all the time, do they have any AIDS crisis? Nope. That theory = complete bullshit.

^^The monkeys have developed anti bodies to fight the AIDS virus, but then again, even if they didn't, how do we know that they don't have AIDs, and we just can't tell? maybe it is like the bird flu and it used to be primarily animals, but mutated into a virus that affects humans. It isn't deadly in monkeys, but it is in humans.

Your asumption abotu the primates still completely cuts out evolution which is how a virus becomes so powerful. in order for a virus to live at all, it has to overcome the host or else it dies. Inorder for humans to have some evolved version of a primates virus would mean the primate was suffering fomr it for generations and was dying off from this virus for generations now. It would be an epidemic. Newsflash: it's not, nor has it ever been so humans getting it in paralell is impossible. Immunities are all encompasing. If primates had an immunity to AIDS, that means their bodies would have made AIDS extinct a long time ago.

Bird Flu is a completely seperate entity that should be kept seperate from AIDS. Then again, everything should be kept seperate from AIDS.

*dies*

thsi post is fucking funny.

itsa bunch of random babling to come to the conclusion your cousins uncle died .lol.

they have a better system than us
just like dogs can eat their own shit without gettin sick

If they have immunity against this, then spreading to humans would be impossible. If they're not affected, it's not because their body steers around the virus's cells, it because it eliminates them. So how can you become infected by something that's gone?

Like I said, AIDS + Primates = bullshit. To quote Judge Judy, "It's IM! Possible!"

BTW, no animal on this planet has a "better system" than we do. You make it sound like eating your own fecies is a gift.

dog boo boo got nutrients in it :-\
nah, I just wanted to comment on that 1 thing.

Okay, so the monkey theory is out thw window
Im startin to strongly believe it was man made, as I have previously stated many times.

Anyone who tells you it wasn't is because they have nothing to prove that it was. Someone offering opinions on something they don't have facts on is called an idiot. Don't be an idiot.

if they have one characteristic that differs from the rest, by definition you MUST rule out the possibility of them being alive. say for instance, something moves, but doesnt reproduce and all that other stuff, you cant say its alive... :nono: << this fuckin smiley moves but you cant say ITS alive... your reasoning is senseless...

Its not alive because its run by numbers, virus's arent run by numbers or bytes are they? atleast I dont think so

Of course, what was I thinking?

AIDs must just be another way for the government to try and knock off the poor people. Un-fucking-believable.

And, I have no idea, as I don't really give a shit, about whether or not the government moved "crack" into the projects.. but I KNOW they don't make people smoke it. There's fucking drugs everywhere. My family isn't from the projects and shit, but I go to the most drugged out school in this state.. and maybe 2% of the people here are from the "projects."

But, I already know where this debate is heading; everybody is trying to hold down the broke population. Of fucking course.

That is clearly the most logical response and reason for the existence of AIDs.

:sigh: okay, lemme break this down for you. Mimesis, you're a rich white kid with rich white parents and grew up sheltered from a lot of the harsh realities that a lot of other people don't evne think anything of. As far as you know, the world is a just and fair place - why? Because you're rich and white! Hell yeah the world is a fair place - for you. For a lot of other people though, the reality is that their schools were shipped re-prints of books that were out of date decades ago. They get spied on when they go into convenience stores, are met with friction as soon as they go some places literally immediately. They've seen the dramatic difference in policing in one urban neighborhood vs. a suburban neighborhood and even in the local courts from one to another. I'm one of these people, and there's no concievable way that you sitting in the big house that your rich parents bought and tucked you into bed at night in could could possibly convince me that some members of my local community, police, and government are not racist. Not all, but a lot. Most of em subtely and they don't even realize that they're racist - kinda like you. You'll never in your life experience a single effect of racism, so you couldn't possibly begin to say anything about the state of racism ANYWHERE. "Racism" is something you think you see on TV and you hear about it, but you'll never in your life meet it or suffer from it like a minority would. What's racism to you, black kids cracking on you at a basketball court? racism for me was getting jumped by dudes who I've never seen or met a day in my life till they hopped out of an explorer 5 deep with bats beating the shit out of me while calling me a nigger. That ever happen to you? Nope. And it never will. I only wish that were all "racism" meant to me.

What's funny is your comment about "maybe 2%" of your school is from "the hood". That's funny because the black population in your state (Arizona) currently numbers at 2%. So tell me again exactly what the hell you know about racism? When you face it a few thousand times in your life, you learn to see it a mile away.

BTW, I explained the financial implications of how and why AIDS is used as a cog in a killing machine and showed facts to back it. Your counterargument in the face of all these facts is "black people always think the government is picking on them". What a surprise :rolleyes:

CO-SIGN on the dotted line.


People who're sheltered always think blacks are just being "sensitive".


:thumbup:

People act as if black people is the only race that people are racist against. THE WORLD IS NOT OUT TO GET YOU! This 'ghetto' mentality that most people are racist to you and want you dead is rediculous. I hear Immortal Technique say, 'the industry is racist', ya, TO WHITE PEOPLE. And before you even say I'm a rich white boy, I went to a school with 30 yr old history books, so don't get me started.

Wow, the industry is racist to white people
THIS IS REAL LIFE
When the industry is racist towards you, you dont feel threatned for your life, do you?
I didnt think so.
Ok, you went to school with 30 year old books
Lmao, yah, you had a horrible as life, son.
Yeah, WHITE PEOPLE are racist towards other races besides black, but before 9/11 they wasnt racist towards arabs.
Cos thats the only other race that I can think of that WHITE PEOPLE are racist towards.
Get a clue, fa real man.
We dont be bullshittin man
Its not a joke, we're not sayin this because we seen Higher Learning and American History X and automatically figured that all white people are racist.
I know from experience that white people are racist.
But Im goin stop that, cos its time where I've been called a nigger, yes a NIGGER, and a white boy whooped the white boy ass who called me anigger before I got a chance to.
So, some white people are cool, they dont play that.
But I would have to say 65% of white people are racist.
And 65% is horrible, thats more than half.
but even 1% is horrible
but, Imma leave it at that, cos this topic is about AIDS and not about racism.
So, dont bother to respond back.
That goes for everybody

Nah, no one said blacks are the only race being discriminated against, where did you even get that? BTW, "the industry" is run by jews. why would they be racist against other white people?