Alright? but what about god himself in the Quran? You know the Quran still pertains to a god-like figure. Just jesus wasnt his name.

They do... Anglicans and Protestants see God, Jesus and the holy spirit as one, and all of them are God. And Gods character is detailed in the bible... Maybe perceptions or views of God would vary, but they should all be seeing things the same since the information is right there.

Think about it, taken from what Distilled said, What if god tells a man to do good and feed the homeless, and tells the next man to kill his family. Anyone in their right mind would know that god wouldnt want you to kill your family, but thats how this certain man see's god, as a being who wants him to kill his family, whereas the other guy see's god as a caring being who wants him to help out the less fortunate. So clearly, the image of god can be very different in the eyes of anyone, no matter their involvement in christianity, the devil reaches everyone.

Yeah, so its the same concept as the bible. You just said you dont believe the bible because "god"'s name is "Jesus"... you dont believe in Christianity because his name differs?

God, Jesus, and the Holy Spirit are the same being, when you read the bible, Jesus speaks and always says "we".. so clearly there is more than one entity within him. PLUS, its called the holy trinity, God, jesus, holy spirit, and its called the Mystery Of The Trinity, its a mystery, good luck figuring it out. You gotta wait til you get there.

then you're not catholic are you? you can get confirmed 1000 times and confess 1000 times but if you do not accept the catholic ideology of jesus being the son of christ and the savior of man. Then you are not catholic.

If you dont believe in the holy trinity, and that they are one, you do not accept catholicism, because thats what its all based on.

Yeah, efecx you're making yourself look like a total idiot. But yo, Hopesfall, you're a Christian and shit? :wtf:

Lol @ blindly following, roflflfl. And yes, i didnt say it wasnt based on many things, but thats the main idea and first step if you will. And you cant believe in parts of catholicism but not accept the main idea of it. Thats just stupid, and still not considered catholic.

just have...faith...thats...all..i..can..say

Did i say i take everything literally in the bible? you're stupid as hell, seriously, just now reading what you say, you're trying to make a deep point and sound like you know what you're talking about but it comes out stupid and makes you look like a retard. Just shut up.

Oh yeah, NAME ONE? My mom, uncle, grandma.. pretty much EVERYBODY on my mom's side of the family wants me to be a Catholic. I get bitched out EVERY TIME I go to church because I don't get up to get communion. I don't pray. I don't bow. But yes, I do what I'm told.

WHO THE FUCK are you to make that kind of assumption? You don't know shit about you fucking faggot.

And LMFAO @ believing that Jesus is God's son isn't the second most important point in Christianity. One being that God exists, as the Bible says if you deny His existence you're going to hell. But wow, you really have NO IDEA what you're fucking talking about. Same with the illegal immigrants. Same with pretty much anything that requires any sort of thought process.

i think he understands he's gotta stfu up now, lmlo

Either you are just a COMPLETE dumbass, or you haven't read the Bible (which also leads back to you being a dumbass because you say you're a Christian). If you've read the Bible at all you'd notice that it's split into 2 sections; the Old Testament and the New Testament. Guess what the second part is about? Jesus. But, of course, the Bible was just split up like that for no fucking reason at all. Are you fucking retarded? If you don't believe that Jesus is God's son then you aren't a fucking Christian. That's fine, and there's nothing wrong with not being a Christian, but quit acting like you know what you're talking about. You are just.. stupid as fuck.



Where did I say that you didn't believe in God? Quit manipulating my posts you fucking retard. I said that believing Jesus is God's son, and believing that he came down to save us or whatever the fuck, is the second biggest part of Christianity. That being next to believing that God exists. I NEVER said you didn't believe in God you fucking faggot.



I don't believe everything I'm told. It'd require you to know me in person to make that kind of assumption. The only fucking things you know about me, in terms of my viewpoints on certain topics, is the ones that I engage in debates in. You're just making shit up to try and discredit my arguement, but, once again, you're failing completely because you're just fucking stupid.

And LMFAO @ you bringing the Iraqi war into this thread. It's not like that's irrevelant or anything. And no, Apexx didn't "own" me in the AIDs thread. APEXX DIDN'T BRING ANYTHING TO THE FUCKING TABLE. All he did was type shit out and claim it was facts. I could say "Well, cu cullian, you're country has about 13.315346% increase in deaths of children during childbirth, due to the slight drops of cyanide put onto the needle. While your government officials state that this will help children develop, it's quite obvious they're using it as a form of population control." ANYBODY CAN MAKE SHIT UP OFF THE TOP OF THEIR HEAD, YOU FUCKING IDIOT. Apexx didn't even come CLOSE to owning me.

But please, try to stay on topic. Lmao. You're a fucking queer, dude.

If God is as the bible says, Omnicient and knows all...(future, past & present)...he must know every move before we make it, he must have known before we were even born. So would you really call that free will? I mean if he knew i was goin to go out today (jan. 5th, 2006) and drink a forty, before i was even born...how do i avoid that...? Flip it, say i decided not to drink that forty and instead go for a drive, he knew i was gonna do that too...therefore, this knowledge expells our free will...and makes the bible contradict itself, therefore voiding all of it. If one part is false, then the whole thing is. We're Fucked.

Yes, you could say he is omnicient, thus he knows what you are going to do. And its your choice you idiot.

walking outside, is your choice.
smoking weed, or deciding to let the blunt pass you, is your choice.

Just because god knows you well enough to know what your decision is going to be, doesnt mean its not your decision.

Fuckin think harder...Its like this...say I take a can of soda...if i drop it out of my hand...i KNOW (100%) that if will fall, due to gravity...Just as GOD KNOWS (100%) wat you will do...no matter wat decision you made...God knew before you made it, which one youd pick...HE KNEW. (100%)...there is no avoiding it...no matter which one you choose. HE ALREADY KNEW.

I'm not even gonna get started with this thread...

But its still your decision, he knows what you're going to choose, yes, but hes not making you choose one or the other.

Why.. are you a wussy or something?

Fucking word.

Thats why i dont believe all this 'all knowing bullshit'

what if there is no god?

Well obviously with any philosophical question you can pull it apart and get into other huge questions.

But this is assuming God exists.

If you want to make another "Religion vs Atheism" thread, go for it.

I don't think God is omnipotent. He can't make a square circle, as far as I know. He's powerful, not omnipotent. I don't think there would be any fallen angels(stating that you actually believe the biblical tale) if he knew everything. If so, if he was truly omnipotent, he'd annihilate Satan easily.

I haven't read through all of this, but to answer Drakel



No, it's not a little strange, because if the Universe recycles itself and since there are immeasurable galaxies with imaginable numbers of planets, it's not so complicated to believe at least one out of a near infinite number could support life. There is probably a lot more...the earth cracked, and volcanoes began to vent out atmosphere and whatnot, and other things...

Well apparently God is all-powerful... The bible says it.

The Bible says a lot of things, sometimes born of ignorance.

you have to realize, god GIVES us gifts, he gives basketball players their gift, scientists THEIR gifts its like through the scientists, hes coming up with medicines and stuff, but like hopes said on tha first page, getting into heaven as a default, wouldnt b right, cuz u could live hectic all ur life, and still go to heaven, god didnt "create evil" evil wasnt really "created" at all, its not an object its not tangible, its a way of life, and if after knowing about god and such you still choose to go that route, then its your fault for being a dummy, man i could go on for days, cuz i got alot i wanna say, but my fingers are tired

werd

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Let's see if I can break this down right.