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La Cosa Nostra 02-03-06 04:24 AM

Aiight listen man.. TRY and tell me this canibus track has no meaning... Damn that would be hilarious.. I would prolly even have to sig it as the stupid comment of the millenium.... Oh and btw... This, like the other bis track I posted.. Does a gigantic shit all over joe buddens soul.........

[Canibus]
Yo, why is the ripper so ill?
That would be a unpardonable breach of confidence for me to reveal!
He said one day all eyes would be on me
when they look up in the sky and see the neon 'C'
Rhymes inscribed on a nickel disk encased
in glass with an ion beam for longevity
For more then 10 centuries, impressions and memories
the first time-machine inventor will mention me
Canibus was a visionary indeed
he believed light could travel in multiples of c
The organic supercomputer that solved the mysteries
of Klein-Kaluza with 2 blue metric rulers
Liked Cool J, but thought Stephen Jay Gould was cooler
and he never liked to propagate rumors
Smoked Canary Island cigars
liked America, luxury cars and beautiful Asian broads
He had a strong mind, he used to philosophize
about rhymes while he was pruning his Bonsai
He claimed that he had written the greatest rhyme of all time
but he would never take it out his archives
He wrote 2 songs per day
and was constantly was experimenting with his wordplay
In his youth he did a report on the Sloan Digital Sky survey
he got an F but he deserved an A
I followed his career from the first day
it seemed the lack of support contributed to his inert ways
I seen him pull in 24 hour workdays
with deferred pay, undeterred by the word "shame"
Public humiliation was the worst pain
he was spinnin out of control like a class 5 hurricane
He said he wouldnt want another emcee to suffer the same
especially when there's nothing to gain
He was the illest alive but nobody would face it
he spit till his toungue was too torched to taste, it
properly funded corporations carbon-dated his latest creations
to extract the information
They found it utterly amazing
they claimed the body of his work was the same thing as a priceless painting
Never mattered to him, the art galleries hated him
cause Thomas Kinkade called, said he would take 10
Complete enigmas wrapped in puzzles encrypted in language
with sound but without shape or signature
Kept files in his garage, on MS-DOS
in a fire-proof pod, he thought it was odd
Outside there was a shed with an Oppenheimer lock
he apparently kept more wax then Madame Tussaud's
We were in total awe, cause it blew our minds
so many rhymes that were intricately designed
He WAS Poet Laureate of his time
and if you dont mind, I'd like to share some of his rhymes

[*beat switches*]

Alone in my room, looking thru the 32X telescope zoom
adjusting the focus of the moon
One should not assume the philosophy of David Hume
is nothing more then a subjective conclusion
What is the maximum field rate application?
the run away glaciation surrounding the ocean basin
affects the population fluctuation
on a continuous basis but that's just the basics
The juxtaposition of Canibus' position
the precision something no other has written
Way above and beyond what was intended
the unparalleled malleable enunciation of a sentence
You didnt go to college obviously
I can tell by your ungodly unintelligible terminology
A remarkable odyssey, the rhymes of modern speeds
when the brain orders the body not to breathe
Your competency is not up to speed, you not in my league
you couldnt possibly be hotter than me
Or oppositely you're minus 25 degrees, you'd squeeze
but the condensation makes rifle barrels freeze
Allow me to speak figuratively, nigga please
my intellectual properties are about the size of Greece
Your counselor advised you not to speak
my counselor advised me to keep rhymin until they stopped the beat
In the words of Joseph Heller, "I learned how to write better"
even though it sort of irked me
He said he didnt understand the process of the imagination
but he felt he was at its mercy
Which exploits my point perfectly and certainly reinforces
the reason why nobody's probably ever heard of me
Couldnt understand what I mean by ill
unless you try to translate what I print to film
This is the line of will, the circle of time
the cycle of eternity, the emergence of 1 line
Academic phonetics render critics tounge-tied
Ive personified dry humor of cum-laude alumni
A wise man sees failure as progress
a fool divorces his knowledge and misses the logic
And loses his soul in the process
obsessed with nonsense with a caricature that has no content
My style is masterful, multi-lateral
I could battle a fool and be naturally cruel
Words of scourn are a disasterous tool
from an existentialist view, I'm a better rapper then you
Grab the mic and rip your physical fabric in 2
my attitude is fucked up but admirable
Different methods interpreted into different forms
from entirely different perceptions and seen from different norms
Not just spittin a poem there's much more involved
there's much more pieces of the puzzle for you to solve
48 orders of mechanical laws
and rays of creational cause, enhance the cadence of my bars
Maybe I am self-absorbed
but thats the effect, to find the cause you should ask my A&R
Today is what it is, but only because yesterday was what it was
permitting you heard of Beelzebub
A tale of demons and drugs, pissy drunk in the club
with the DJ doing the needle rub
Chances are you'll never see me son
yeah I know my names Canibus but I cant help you if you need a dub

[*beat switches*]

I came to holla at some big booty bitches
and listen to the speakers thump, where you get conceited from?
Im so nice on the mic, they wanna beat me up
its deep as fuck, I aint seen it all but I've seen enough
Really unbelievable stuff
theres a lot of times where I wanna speak but I'm stuck
I should leave this rap shit alone
and kick my incredible in rhymes in the privacy of my own home
My imagination is my own
the liberty to speak to freely, lividly on the microphone
Wit a pen in my hand, I bring motion to the enneagram
and become "Cani-millenium man"
Engrave my back with the emperor's stamp
been spittin scientific rap since the 17th century began
Tryna' escape the wicked empire of Def Jam
and the land where lyrics are bland and heretics hang
Every warrior has an axe to bury
but he has to learn to discern between enemy and adversary
I said to myself, "Germaine this is insane
its suicide its controlled flight into terrain"
I fought to regain, control of the plain, but went up in a ball of flames
and got banned from the hip hop hall of fame
For 2 bars I kept hearin in my head
over and over again, it cost me everything

[*beat changes back to the original beat*]

Im convinced now that more then truth is at stake
Where people create language that pretends to communicate
Euphemisms are misundertood as mistakes
but its a bi-product of the ghetto music we make
From an extroverted point of view I think its too late
Hip Hop has never been the same since '88
Since it became a lucrative profession there's a misconception
that a movement in any direction is progression
Even though of the potency of it lessens
big money industries writing checks to suppress the question
And nobody gives a fuck no more, no one goes to the book store
ever since the confluence of Moore's Law
But I stay in the lab, like Niels Bohr
and his son Aage, Edward Lorenz and Leo Szilard
Lyrically I took rap music and turned the knob
to the right full throttle and added panache
Why would I argue with my own conscience over the truth?
thats like me telling myself dont tell me what to do
Dialyses and analyses of battle emcees
sometimes I say things I myself can't believe
My lyrical is so skillfully elliptical
I can understand how it makes you miserable
You wonder why I never let you play your beats for me
or why I keep my studio enshrouded in secrecy
You wonder what's my infatuation with Alicia Keys
"Canibus why dont you speak to me?"
Yo, I meant it when I said no one can shine on a song that features me
thats why I said it so vehemently
You need to place the hate with respect
I'm probably the best yet, Poet Laureate!!!

Zone Out 02-03-06 04:29 AM

Quote:
Originally Posted by Nostradamus
Dude... You serious?

That budden shit was about 80% pointless rambling on about nigga this nigga that "mo fucka im a hustla yo i got real street cred yo" yada yada yada... AND SO ON...

WHAT!?!
Did you even read the fuckin verse?! I doubt if you did if you're sayin it was 80% rambling. SMH



That shit about canibus rappin on pointless shit is just a carbon copied argument that all people use to hide the fact that his verses are better than their faverite commercial rappers...

Its an argument that ALL people use?! Well, Nostra if ALL people sue it, then it MUST be true. Get the fuck out of here. Canibus just rambles on and on and on about nothing entire songs

The shit jus doesent make any difference...

EXACTLY, Like Canibus' verses

Joe budden cant rap as good as canibus.... Or eminem.... Or GZA.... Or RZA.... Or Inspectuh Deck.... Or Immortal Technique.... Or about 50 other rappers in the game right now.....

Joe Budden is better then all of them cats you just named. lmao @ namin Eminem, you ride Em's dick almost as much as Limited Edition, does, Em is trash now, he has fallen off. wtf has Gza, Rza, or Inspectuh Deck done in hmm, lemme think 5 years!?!? I take that back, Rza and Gza was just on a song with Joe Budden. lmao, Joe Budden's verse MURDERED there's. IT got ate by POSTABOY! and about 50 other raps are irrevelant.

He just aint as good as your making out dude... Sorry to burst your bubble...

SORRY TO BURST YOUR BUBBLE
You're libing in the 90's my dude.
that shit is played out now. Joe Buddens raps about shit we can relate to, we as in human beings. He's deep, not only that, he adds dope ass punches, metaphores, and similies in his shit.
What does Canibus rap about?
OH, I'll crack your skull like cocaine on your cranium
Im sustainin them I rap harder then titanium!!

roflmao @ that actually lookin like a canibus punchline and I just dropped that off the type of my head

Zone Out 02-03-06 04:36 AM

Quote:
Originally Posted by Nostradamus
Aiight listen man.. TRY and tell me this canibus track has no meaning... Damn that would be hilarious.. I would prolly even have to sig it as the stupid comment of the millenium.... Oh and btw... This, like the other bis track I posted.. Does a gigantic shit all over joe buddens soul.........

[Canibus]
Yo, why is the ripper so ill?
That would be a unpardonable breach of confidence for me to reveal!
He said one day all eyes would be on me
when they look up in the sky and see the neon 'C'
Rhymes inscribed on a nickel disk encased
in glass with an ion beam for longevity
For more then 10 centuries, impressions and memories
the first time-machine inventor will mention me
Canibus was a visionary indeed
he believed light could travel in multiples of c
The organic supercomputer that solved the mysteries
of Klein-Kaluza with 2 blue metric rulers
Liked Cool J, but thought Stephen Jay Gould was cooler
and he never liked to propagate rumors
Smoked Canary Island cigars
liked America, luxury cars and beautiful Asian broads
He had a strong mind, he used to philosophize
about rhymes while he was pruning his Bonsai
He claimed that he had written the greatest rhyme of all time
but he would never take it out his archives
He wrote 2 songs per day
and was constantly was experimenting with his wordplay
In his youth he did a report on the Sloan Digital Sky survey
he got an F but he deserved an A
I followed his career from the first day
it seemed the lack of support contributed to his inert ways
I seen him pull in 24 hour workdays
with deferred pay, undeterred by the word "shame"
Public humiliation was the worst pain
he was spinnin out of control like a class 5 hurricane
He said he wouldnt want another emcee to suffer the same
especially when there's nothing to gain
He was the illest alive but nobody would face it
he spit till his toungue was too torched to taste, it
properly funded corporations carbon-dated his latest creations
to extract the information
They found it utterly amazing
they claimed the body of his work was the same thing as a priceless painting
Never mattered to him, the art galleries hated him
cause Thomas Kinkade called, said he would take 10
Complete enigmas wrapped in puzzles encrypted in language
with sound but without shape or signature
Kept files in his garage, on MS-DOS
in a fire-proof pod, he thought it was odd
Outside there was a shed with an Oppenheimer lock
he apparently kept more wax then Madame Tussaud's
We were in total awe, cause it blew our minds
so many rhymes that were intricately designed
He WAS Poet Laureate of his time
and if you dont mind, I'd like to share some of his rhymes

[*beat switches*]

Alone in my room, looking thru the 32X telescope zoom
adjusting the focus of the moon
One should not assume the philosophy of David Hume
is nothing more then a subjective conclusion
What is the maximum field rate application?
the run away glaciation surrounding the ocean basin
affects the population fluctuation
on a continuous basis but that's just the basics
The juxtaposition of Canibus' position
the precision something no other has written
Way above and beyond what was intended
the unparalleled malleable enunciation of a sentence
You didnt go to college obviously
I can tell by your ungodly unintelligible terminology
A remarkable odyssey, the rhymes of modern speeds
when the brain orders the body not to breathe
Your competency is not up to speed, you not in my league
you couldnt possibly be hotter than me
Or oppositely you're minus 25 degrees, you'd squeeze
but the condensation makes rifle barrels freeze
Allow me to speak figuratively, nigga please
my intellectual properties are about the size of Greece
Your counselor advised you not to speak
my counselor advised me to keep rhymin until they stopped the beat
In the words of Joseph Heller, "I learned how to write better"
even though it sort of irked me
He said he didnt understand the process of the imagination
but he felt he was at its mercy
Which exploits my point perfectly and certainly reinforces
the reason why nobody's probably ever heard of me
Couldnt understand what I mean by ill
unless you try to translate what I print to film
This is the line of will, the circle of time
the cycle of eternity, the emergence of 1 line
Academic phonetics render critics tounge-tied
Ive personified dry humor of cum-laude alumni
A wise man sees failure as progress
a fool divorces his knowledge and misses the logic
And loses his soul in the process
obsessed with nonsense with a caricature that has no content
My style is masterful, multi-lateral
I could battle a fool and be naturally cruel
Words of scourn are a disasterous tool
from an existentialist view, I'm a better rapper then you
Grab the mic and rip your physical fabric in 2
my attitude is fucked up but admirable
Different methods interpreted into different forms
from entirely different perceptions and seen from different norms
Not just spittin a poem there's much more involved
there's much more pieces of the puzzle for you to solve
48 orders of mechanical laws
and rays of creational cause, enhance the cadence of my bars
Maybe I am self-absorbed
but thats the effect, to find the cause you should ask my A&R
Today is what it is, but only because yesterday was what it was
permitting you heard of Beelzebub
A tale of demons and drugs, pissy drunk in the club
with the DJ doing the needle rub
Chances are you'll never see me son
yeah I know my names Canibus but I cant help you if you need a dub

[*beat switches*]

I came to holla at some big booty bitches
and listen to the speakers thump, where you get conceited from?
Im so nice on the mic, they wanna beat me up
its deep as fuck, I aint seen it all but I've seen enough
Really unbelievable stuff
theres a lot of times where I wanna speak but I'm stuck
I should leave this rap shit alone
and kick my incredible in rhymes in the privacy of my own home
My imagination is my own
the liberty to speak to freely, lividly on the microphone
Wit a pen in my hand, I bring motion to the enneagram
and become "Cani-millenium man"
Engrave my back with the emperor's stamp
been spittin scientific rap since the 17th century began
Tryna' escape the wicked empire of Def Jam
and the land where lyrics are bland and heretics hang
Every warrior has an axe to bury
but he has to learn to discern between enemy and adversary
I said to myself, "Germaine this is insane
its suicide its controlled flight into terrain"
I fought to regain, control of the plain, but went up in a ball of flames
and got banned from the hip hop hall of fame
For 2 bars I kept hearin in my head
over and over again, it cost me everything

[*beat changes back to the original beat*]

Im convinced now that more then truth is at stake
Where people create language that pretends to communicate
Euphemisms are misundertood as mistakes
but its a bi-product of the ghetto music we make
From an extroverted point of view I think its too late
Hip Hop has never been the same since '88
Since it became a lucrative profession there's a misconception
that a movement in any direction is progression
Even though of the potency of it lessens
big money industries writing checks to suppress the question
And nobody gives a fuck no more, no one goes to the book store
ever since the confluence of Moore's Law
But I stay in the lab, like Niels Bohr
and his son Aage, Edward Lorenz and Leo Szilard
Lyrically I took rap music and turned the knob
to the right full throttle and added panache
Why would I argue with my own conscience over the truth?
thats like me telling myself dont tell me what to do
Dialyses and analyses of battle emcees
sometimes I say things I myself can't believe
My lyrical is so skillfully elliptical
I can understand how it makes you miserable
You wonder why I never let you play your beats for me
or why I keep my studio enshrouded in secrecy
You wonder what's my infatuation with Alicia Keys
"Canibus why dont you speak to me?"
Yo, I meant it when I said no one can shine on a song that features me
thats why I said it so vehemently
You need to place the hate with respect
I'm probably the best yet, Poet Laureate!!!

The track has NO absolute meaning AT FUCKING ALL!
Its a very very dope song, I've heard it a million and 1 times
but who is the track about? what is the track about?
The track is about nothing more then how dope canibus is
NOTHING MORE, NOTHING LESS NOTHING ELSE!
If thats all Canibus can do is make songs about how lyrically dope he is then he has a very very creative problem.
and some of that shit is STRAIGHT UP PURE NERD RAP!
word the fuck up.

La Cosa Nostra 02-03-06 04:38 AM

Quote:
Originally Posted by Will S.Unyu
SORRY TO BURST YOUR BUBBLE
You're libing in the 90's my dude.
that shit is played out now. Joe Buddens raps about shit we can relate to, we as in human beings. He's deep, not only that, he adds dope ass punches, metaphores, and similies in his shit.
What does Canibus rap about?
OH, I'll crack your skull like cocaine on your cranium
Im sustainin them I rap harder then titanium!!

roflmao @ that actually lookin like a canibus punchline and I just dropped that off the type of my head

BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHA
In the 90's... ROFL.. Do you not realise that all them rhymes you jus posted of Joe budden have just solidified my opinion of him.. He aint dope at all...

He spits about gangsta shit, hustlin, drugs.. (Translation, hes a rapper that talks alot but prolly aint done most of the shit he talks about till after his first album dropped---thatsreal--dont believe the hype and lies record companies put out... I seen his pic too.. he dont look all that hard.. He looks like a young mother fucker).... Seriously... Cats have been spittin that shit since the 80s man !!!!

I cant believe your dilusional attitude towards rap... You got NO idea what your saying... Your jus trynna get at me in this argument by making up a bunch of crap that is a common misconception that people like you make because your naieve to how things REALLY are... Damn @ this argument...

I garentee anyone looking onto this is thinking "wtf is this will.sun.yu guy fuckin thinking"....

La Cosa Nostra 02-03-06 04:41 AM

Quote:
Originally Posted by Will S.Unyu
The track has NO absolute meaning AT FUCKING ALL!
Its a very very dope song, I've heard it a million and 1 times
but who is the track about? what is the track about?
The track is about nothing more then how dope canibus is
NOTHING MORE, NOTHING LESS NOTHING ELSE!
If thats all Canibus can do is make songs about how lyrically dope he is then he has a very very creative problem.
and some of that shit is STRAIGHT UP PURE NERD RAP!
word the fuck up.

Omfg... You jus took a song that uses metaphors to describe the trials and tribulations of canibus' career and why he was booted off def jam, it explains a lot of stuff that happened back when he was on the come up... It explains a lot about why he is the way he is.. And because your naieve as fuck.. You just made the mistake of saying Poet Laureate II has no meaning..

Your dumb man... Pleeeaaase just stop talking now....

Zone Out 02-03-06 04:55 AM

Quote:
Originally Posted by Nostradamus
BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHA
In the 90's... ROFL.. Do you not realise that all them rhymes you jus posted of Joe budden have just solidified my opinion of him.. He aint dope at all...

I dont know what the hell kind of taste they have in Aussieland, but wow, it sucks. How can you think all that rambling actually means something? He might aswell rap about bling bling.

He spits about gangsta shit, hustlin, drugs.. (Translation, hes a rapper that talks alot but prolly aint done most of the shit he talks about till after his first album dropped---thatsreal--dont believe the hype and lies record companies put out... I seen his pic too.. he dont look all that hard.. He looks like a young mother fucker).... Seriously... Cats have been spittin that shit since the 80s man !!!!

oh, Joe Budden only raps about gangsta shit, hustlin and drugs? yes, thank you for provin my point. you ARE retarded. WOW @ lookin at someone's picture and automatically sayin he's too soft to have done any of that. Canibus is a skinny black dude with a big ass gap. ROFLMAO, I have never seen him split anyone's head into 2. Neither have I seen Eminem do that. I have never seen canibus or even HEAR of canibus even smackin someone or even to have a name in the streets period. I have NEVER heard about a Canibus fight, atleast I CAN say Eminem and D12 ARE down to scrap with niggas. Do you think eminem has ever went to hell and battled the devil!?! roflmao, thats the shit he will say.
"I'll kill myself go battle the devil come back ad live a good life so i can die and go to heaven to battle god cos i battle" blah albha blha blahs thats what the fuck he raps about


I cant believe your dilusional attitude towards rap... You got NO idea what your saying... Your jus trynna get at me in this argument by making up a bunch of crap that is a common misconception that people like you make because your naieve to how things REALLY are... Damn @ this argument...

How am I dilusional, if ANYONE is dilusional here its you, because you think Eminem and Canibus are the greatest rappers in the universe. and what "crap" am I makin up thats a misconception? ROFLMAO @ your random ass statements, you're soundin like Canibus with your random ass statements to try to sound intelligent out the blue. tell me how things REALLY are, since you seem to know.

I garentee anyone looking onto this is thinking "wtf is this will.sun.yu guy fuckin thinking"....

no, they're lookin into this like "wtf, Nostra is a total Canibus and eminem dickrider"

Zone Out 02-03-06 04:57 AM

Quote:
Originally Posted by Nostradamus
Omfg... You jus took a song that uses metaphors to describe the trials and tribulations of canibus' career and why he was booted off def jam, it explains a lot of stuff that happened back when he was on the come up... It explains a lot about why he is the way he is.. And because your naieve as fuck.. You just made the mistake of saying Poet Laureate II has no meaning..

Your dumb man... Pleeeaaase just stop talking now....

roflmao
PLEEEASE
Show me
where he even givesa HINT to talkin about how he was booted off Def Jam and alot of stuff that happened in his career
please
bold some shit or somethin, because i dont see it

Terumoto 02-03-06 04:57 AM

WTF @ saying that canibus song has no meaning... shit is deeper than any other song ever.

I wrote a damn essay on that song, and it was long...

Terumoto 02-03-06 05:14 AM

Quote:
Originally Posted by Will S.Unyu
roflmao
PLEEEASE
Show me
where he even givesa HINT to talkin about how he was booted off Def Jam and alot of stuff that happened in his career
please
bold some shit or somethin, because i dont see it


i will show you some of the meanings... hold up

La Cosa Nostra 02-03-06 05:16 AM

@ Sun.You

Quote:
Originally Posted by Nostradamus
Tryna' escape the wicked empire of Def Jam
and the land where lyrics are bland and heretics hang
Self explanatory

Every warrior has an axe to bury
but he has to learn to discern between enemy and adversary
Talking about when he dissed eminem, Eminem was down at a press conference and he was saying that he respected Bis's lyrical skill but Canibus took some of his comments as shit talking and his insecuritys played a big part of why em and bis started beefing.. Hes saying that he should of not been so quick to diss back cause he didnt think before he spoke.. He essentually "had to learn to discern between enemy and adversary"...

I said to myself, "Germaine this is insane
its suicide its controlled flight into terrain"
I fought to regain, control of the plain, but went up in a ball of flames
and got banned from the hip hop hall of fame
For 2 bars I kept hearin in my head
over and over again, it cost me everything
This is where he is talking about being booted off Def Jam and being cut from the hip hop hall of fame. The bars in the question were "I am the illest nigga alive, watch me prove it / I'll snatch ya crown with ya head still attached to it". He said it in a battle against LL Cool J and LL took it to heart and saw it as a personal diss and that started beef which ofcourse eventually ended up with canibus being booted from the label and def jam began to pay off radio stations to not play his songs and a bunch of other bullshit..


And this doesent even scrape the fucking icing off this song.. There is so much to the song that you wouldnt understand if your a naieve ass cat that only likes hearing dumb shit about "hustlin and poppin caps, rings, rims" and other bullshit that average ass clowns like Joe Budden rap about...

You can call me un-intelligent.. But its pretty clear you got no idea what your talkin bout when it comes to hip hop.. I repeat.. Stop talkin buddy..

Tha Q. 02-03-06 05:17 AM

Quote:
Originally Posted by Terumoto
WTF @ saying that canibus song has no meaning... shit is deeper than any other song ever.

I wrote a damn essay on that song, and it was long...



So because you wrote an essay on a song, that makes it the "deepest" song ever? Dawg, that logic doesn't add up. I'm sure you love the song, but writing an essay doesn't qualify it as the best "deep" song ever.

La Cosa Nostra 02-03-06 05:20 AM

Quote:
Originally Posted by Tha Q.
So because you wrote an essay on a song, that makes it the "deepest" song ever? Dawg, that logic doesn't add up. I'm sure you love the song, but writing an essay doesn't qualify it as the best "deep" song ever.

No.. He said that cause it literally is one of the deepest songs ever written..

Anyone who ACTUALLY is an authority on hip hop and understands what this song is about would say the same thing...

This is right up there on the same level with "Immortal Technique - You never know" and "Common - I used to love H.E.R."...

If you say different.. YOUR NOT HIP HOP....

Terumoto 02-03-06 05:20 AM

Quote:
Originally Posted by Tha Q.
So because you wrote an essay on a song, that makes it the "deepest" song ever? Dawg, that logic doesn't add up. I'm sure you love the song, but writing an essay doesn't qualify it as the best "deep" song ever.


I have listened to a lot of songs in my time. Its maybe not the deepest in its subject matter, but I mean deep as in meanings.

The way he used historical figures, and other dope shit as allusions in wordplay, ive never seen in another song. Even the songs the beats were sampled from mean something.

Im not saying because I was able to write an essay on it, its a deep song. Anybody could write an essay on anything. Im saying its a deep song, because it is.

Zone Out 02-03-06 05:22 AM

Quote:
Originally Posted by Nostradamus
No.. He said that cause it literally is one of the deepest songs ever written..

Anyone who ACTUALLY is an authority on hip hop and understands what this song is about would say the same thing...

This is right up there on the same level with "Immortal Technique - You never know" and "Common - I used to love H.E.R."...

If you say different.. YOUR NOT HIP HOP....

You're a 19 year old skinny white guy from Australia
lmfao, YOU'RE NOT HIP HOP ALREADY

Tha Q. 02-03-06 05:25 AM

Quote:
Originally Posted by Nostradamus
No.. He said that cause it literally is one of the deepest songs ever written..

Anyone who ACTUALLY is an authority on hip hop and understands what this song is about would say the same thing...

This is right up there on the same level with "Immortal Technique - You never know" and "Common - I used to love H.E.R."...

If you say different.. YOUR NOT HIP HOP....




authority on hip hop?

Spare me son

Those same "authorities" consider Jay Z to be one of the greatest rappers of all time.

You can't have it both ways Nos.

Either respect what the "authorities" say, or don't.


BTW, I call those "authorities" critics.

Zone Out 02-03-06 05:28 AM

Quote:
Originally Posted by Nostradamus
@ Sun.You



And this doesent even scrape the fucking icing off this song.. There is so much to the song that you wouldnt understand if your a naieve ass cat that only likes hearing dumb shit about "hustlin and poppin caps, rings, rims" and other bullshit that average ass clowns like Joe Budden rap about...

You can call me un-intelligent.. But its pretty clear you got no idea what your talkin bout when it comes to hip hop.. I repeat.. Stop talkin buddy..

BLAH
I did what you did
I schemed through the song
it was majority NERD RAP. He spits less then 20 bars out of 1000 and all of a sudden the song has meaning
and that snatch the crown punch wasnt the one
it was the get the mic off LL COOL J's arm punch
see, and PLEASE you cant go on ANY OTHER SITE and talk like this.
too bad RV is filled with a bunch of white teenagers I cant get anyone to back me up.
regardless, Joe Budden DOESNT rap about the stupid shit you're sayin he raps about.
And sayin he does shows how much you dont know what real hip hop is

Tha Q. 02-03-06 05:28 AM

Quote:
Originally Posted by Terumoto
I have listened to a lot of songs in my time. Its maybe not the deepest in its subject matter, but I mean deep as in meanings.

The way he used historical figures, and other dope shit as allusions in wordplay, ive never seen in another song. Even the songs the beats were sampled from mean something.

Im not saying because I was able to write an essay on it, its a deep song. Anybody could write an essay on anything. Im saying its a deep song, because it is.





^^^Exactly, anyone can write an "essay" on anything. That doesn't validate its importance. Also, calling something "deep" is relative son. I haven't actually heard the song so I wouldn't know. But, what I do know is that education levels and experience can dictate what one perceives as "deep" or not. I'm not suggesting anything about your education level. I'm merely suggesting that someone who isn't worldly would think mundane things are "amazing".



1

La Cosa Nostra 02-03-06 05:31 AM

Quote:
Originally Posted by Will S.Unyu
You're a 19 year old skinny white guy from Australia
lmfao, YOU'RE NOT HIP HOP ALREADY

I'm more hip hop than your try hard wanksta ass...

Quote:
Originally Posted by Tha Q
authority on hip hop?

Spare me son

Those same "authorities" consider Jay Z to be one of the greatest rappers of all time.

You can't have it both ways Nos.

Either respect what the "authorities" say, or don't.


BTW, I call those "authorities" critics.

Well I call em rappers (you know, the guys who are actually In the game and not at the sidelines making opinions).. And aint it funny how all the dope rappers NEVER do/did tracks with Jay Z... Except biggie... But he was signed to a label with one of the wackest rappers in the game (puffy)....

Your whole perspective of jay Z being dope is jus funny to me... Its cause your a fan and you got a real case of seeing past serious short commings cause you idolise this cunt....

Zone Out 02-03-06 05:33 AM

also
talkin about Joe Budden raps about shit that he CLAIM he doesnt do, what about Canibus?

I am the illest nigga alive, watch me prove it / I'll snatch ya crown with ya head still attached to it

wow, do you honestly think Canibus would rip off anyone's head?!
I just thought of a name for the type of rappers canibus is
Murder Rap
eminem used to be murder rap
ICP is murder rap
Cage is murder rap
blah
ionno
Im not a fan of murder rap, because its aimless

Zone Out 02-03-06 05:34 AM

Quote:
Originally Posted by Nostradamus
I'm more hip hop than your try hard wanksta ass...


Well I call em rappers (you know, the guys who are actually In the game and not at the sidelines making opinions).. And aint it funny how all the dope rappers NEVER do/did tracks with Jay Z... Except biggie... But he was signed to a label with one of the wackest rappers in the game (puffy)....

Your whole perspective of jay Z being dope is jus funny to me... Its cause your a fan and you got a real case of seeing past serious short commings cause you idolise this cunt....

lol @ sayin no dope rappers did songs with jay-z
and puffy wasnt really a rapper he was a producer

oh, and hmm, lemme think
EMINEM DID A SONG WITH JAY-Z

Tha Q. 02-03-06 05:35 AM

P.S. OMB...on that note, lemme give you this analogy.

I live in Washington, D.C., the nation's capital.

I drive by the white house, monument, capitol building, WW2 memorial, Vietnam memorial, Arlington National cemetery, Jefferson Memorial, Lincoln memorial, and the soon to be MLK Jr. Memorial site ALL THE TIME. These are world-wide recognized landmarks that many people take vacations to go see. When someone visits the United States and stands by the white house for the first time, I'm sure there's this level of "excitement" they can't deny. But, since I'm here and have been around it all my life, that excitement is someone replaced with familiarity. When I hear people talk about how "deep" a person is, I get the same feeling. I listen to some things thinking, "Exactly what's deep about it?" Sometimes, I listen again, figuring I may have missed the "deep" parts. But, to my dismay, I leave with the same impression, that the listener is effected by the music. That's the whole point of music, to affect its listeners.

With that said, it's hard to gauge who is "deeper" than somebody else. Other things, like flow (staying on beat), singing IN TUNE, and being accurate with references are more objective.



1

Tha Q. 02-03-06 05:39 AM

Quote:
Originally Posted by Nostradamus
I'm more hip hop than your try hard wanksta ass...


Well I call em rappers (you know, the guys who are actually In the game and not at the sidelines making opinions).. And aint it funny how all the dope rappers NEVER do/did tracks with Jay Z... Except biggie... But he was signed to a label with one of the wackest rappers in the game (puffy)....

Your whole perspective of jay Z being dope is jus funny to me... Its cause your a fan and you got a real case of seeing past serious short commings cause you idolise this cunt....



You can't have your cake and eat it too Nos. Your mindset appears to be somewhat narrow. Who all are these "authorized critics" you're talking about? There's ALWAYS, ALWAYS someone to counter points. What gives someone credentials to be the "final word" on something that's purely subjective in the first place? We're not talking medicine or brain surgery here. We're talking about which rappers are the "best" in the game. And, from what I've heard and seen over the years, most rappers don't sit around and mull over that nonsense. They think it's immature and a waste of time. Only critics sit around and discuss things like that. I'm sure a rapper gauges himself against other rappers, but that doesn't qualify him as an "authority" on hip hop.

Terumoto 02-03-06 05:39 AM

will: here... i have to do this quickly, so it is hardly in-depth, but you know.

[Canibus]
Yo, why is the ripper so ill?
That would be a unpardonable breach of confidence for me to reveal!
He said one day all eyes would be on me
when they look up in the sky and see the neon 'C'
Rhymes inscribed on a nickel disk encased
in glass with an ion beam for longevity
For more then 10 centuries, impressions and memories
the first time-machine inventor will mention me
Canibus was a visionary indeed
he believed light could travel in multiples of c
The organic supercomputer that solved the mysteries
of Klein-Kaluza with 2 blue metric rulers

----that shit is ill, if you know what it actually means.
Liked Cool J, but thought Stephen Jay Gould was cooler
and he never liked to propagate rumors
Smoked Canary Island cigars
liked America, luxury cars and beautiful Asian broads
He had a strong mind, he used to philosophize
about rhymes while he was pruning his Bonsai
He claimed that he had written the greatest rhyme of all time
but he would never take it out his archives
He wrote 2 songs per day
and was constantly was experimenting with his wordplay
In his youth he did a report on the Sloan Digital Sky survey
he got an F but he deserved an A

---again, dope, if you know the reference.
I followed his career from the first day
it seemed the lack of support contributed to his inert ways
I seen him pull in 24 hour workdays
with deferred pay, undeterred by the word "shame"
Public humiliation was the worst pain
he was spinnin out of control like a class 5 hurricane
He said he wouldnt want another emcee to suffer the same
especially when there's nothing to gain
He was the illest alive but nobody would face it
he spit till his toungue was too torched to taste, it
properly funded corporations carbon-dated his latest creations
to extract the information
They found it utterly amazing
they claimed the body of his work was the same thing as a priceless painting
Never mattered to him, the art galleries hated him
cause Thomas Kinkade called, said he would take 10

---Right here, in just this small section, it starts talking about his experiences with the music industry. By the way, that Thomas Cincaid line is ill.
Complete enigmas wrapped in puzzles encrypted in language
with sound but without shape or signature
Kept files in his garage, on MS-DOS
in a fire-proof pod, he thought it was odd
Outside there was a shed with an Oppenheimer lock
he apparently kept more wax then Madame Tussaud's
We were in total awe, cause it blew our minds
so many rhymes that were intricately designed
He WAS Poet Laureate of his time
and if you dont mind, I'd like to share some of his rhymes

[*beat switches*]

Alone in my room, looking thru the 32X telescope zoom
adjusting the focus of the moon
One should not assume the philosophy of David Hume
is nothing more then a subjective conclusion
What is the maximum field rate application?
the run away glaciation surrounding the ocean basin
affects the population fluctuation
on a continuous basis but that's just the basics
The juxtaposition of Canibus' position
the precision something no other has written
Way above and beyond what was intended
the unparalleled malleable enunciation of a sentence
You didnt go to college obviously
I can tell by your ungodly unintelligible terminology
A remarkable odyssey, the rhymes of modern speeds
when the brain orders the body not to breathe
Your competency is not up to speed, you not in my league
you couldnt possibly be hotter than me
Or oppositely you're minus 25 degrees, you'd squeeze
but the condensation makes rifle barrels freeze
Allow me to speak figuratively, nigga please
my intellectual properties are about the size of Greece
Your counselor advised you not to speak
my counselor advised me to keep rhymin until they stopped the beat
In the words of Joseph Heller, "I learned how to write better"
even though it sort of irked me
He said he didnt understand the process of the imagination
but he felt he was at its mercy
Which exploits my point perfectly and certainly reinforces
the reason why nobody's probably ever heard of me
Couldnt understand what I mean by ill
unless you try to translate what I print to film
This is the line of will, the circle of time
the cycle of eternity, the emergence of 1 line
Academic phonetics render critics tounge-tied
Ive personified dry humor of cum-laude alumni
A wise man sees failure as progress
a fool divorces his knowledge and misses the logic
And loses his soul in the process
obsessed with nonsense with a caricature that has no content
My style is masterful, multi-lateral
I could battle a fool and be naturally cruel
Words of scourn are a disasterous tool
from an existentialist view, I'm a better rapper then you
Grab the mic and rip your physical fabric in 2
my attitude is fucked up but admirable
Different methods interpreted into different forms
from entirely different perceptions and seen from different norms
Not just spittin a poem there's much more involved
there's much more pieces of the puzzle for you to solve
48 orders of mechanical laws
and rays of creational cause, enhance the cadence of my bars
Maybe I am self-absorbed
but thats the effect, to find the cause you should ask my A&R
Today is what it is, but only because yesterday was what it was
permitting you heard of Beelzebub
A tale of demons and drugs, pissy drunk in the club
with the DJ doing the needle rub
Chances are you'll never see me son
yeah I know my names Canibus but I cant help you if you need a dub
---that whole verse was dope, if you understand him.

[*beat switches*]

I came to holla at some big booty bitches
and listen to the speakers thump, where you get conceited from?
Im so nice on the mic, they wanna beat me up
its deep as fuck, I aint seen it all but I've seen enough
Really unbelievable stuff
theres a lot of times where I wanna speak but I'm stuck

---He is speaking on the release of his album... he went to a party and got attacked by some other rappers. In the second part he's talking about censorship.
I should leave this rap shit alone
and kick my incredible in rhymes in the privacy of my own home
My imagination is my own
the liberty to speak to freely, lividly on the microphone
Wit a pen in my hand, I bring motion to the enneagram
and become "Cani-millenium man"
Engrave my back with the emperor's stamp
been spittin scientific rap since the 17th century began
Tryna' escape the wicked empire of Def Jam
and the land where lyrics are bland and heretics hang
Every warrior has an axe to bury
but he has to learn to discern between enemy and adversary

---What was that about him never mentioning Def Jam? Its not even a metaphor here, he straight up calls them a wicked empire. The second part is about his "beef" with eminem.
I said to myself, "Germaine this is insane
its suicide its controlled flight into terrain"
I fought to regain, control of the plain, but went up in a ball of flames
and got banned from the hip hop hall of fame
For 2 bars I kept hearin in my head
over and over again, it cost me everything

[*beat changes back to the original beat*]

Im convinced now that more then truth is at stake
Where people create language that pretends to communicate
Euphemisms are misundertood as mistakes
but its a bi-product of the ghetto music we make
From an extroverted point of view I think its too late
Hip Hop has never been the same since '88
Since it became a lucrative profession there's a misconception
that a movement in any direction is progression
Even though of the potency of it lessens
big money industries writing checks to suppress the question
And nobody gives a fuck no more, no one goes to the book store
ever since the confluence of Moore's Law
But I stay in the lab, like Niels Bohr
and his son Aage, Edward Lorenz and Leo Szilard
Lyrically I took rap music and turned the knob
to the right full throttle and added panache
Why would I argue with my own conscience over the truth?
thats like me telling myself dont tell me what to do
Dialyses and analyses of battle emcees
sometimes I say things I myself can't believe
My lyrical is so skillfully elliptical
I can understand how it makes you miserable
You wonder why I never let you play your beats for me
or why I keep my studio enshrouded in secrecy
You wonder what's my infatuation with Alicia Keys
"Canibus why dont you speak to me?"
Yo, I meant it when I said no one can shine on a song that features me
thats why I said it so vehemently
You need to place the hate with respect
I'm probably the best yet, Poet Laureate!!!

thats all i have time for... but pretty much every line has a meaning of the same kind.

Granted, it is definitely NOT aimed at your average audience. Probably without looking things up people wouldnt understand a lot of the song. But if you can comprehend all the meanings, all the ill wordplay, and all the concepts, it is a very deep song.

Terumoto 02-03-06 05:44 AM

Quote:
Originally Posted by Tha Q.
P.S. OMB...on that note, lemme give you this analogy.

I live in Washington, D.C., the nation's capital.

I drive by the white house, monument, capitol building, WW2 memorial, Vietnam memorial, Arlington National cemetery, Jefferson Memorial, Lincoln memorial, and the soon to be MLK Jr. Memorial site ALL THE TIME. These are world-wide recognized landmarks that many people take vacations to go see. When someone visits the United States and stands by the white house for the first time, I'm sure there's this level of "excitement" they can't deny. But, since I'm here and have been around it all my life, that excitement is someone replaced with familiarity. When I hear people talk about how "deep" a person is, I get the same feeling. I listen to some things thinking, "Exactly what's deep about it?" Sometimes, I listen again, figuring I may have missed the "deep" parts. But, to my dismay, I leave with the same impression, that the listener is effected by the music. That's the whole point of music, to affect its listeners.

With that said, it's hard to gauge who is "deeper" than somebody else. Other things, like flow (staying on beat), singing IN TUNE, and being accurate with references are more objective.



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Yeah I understand what you mean, and I definitely agree with that. But on what you said before, about how I might just see it as amazing and really deep because of my education, that would be the case with a lot of things. But with this canibus track its basically the opposite of that. The amount of people educated enough to understand the underlying and hidden meanings in poet laureate II is very limited. Which is probably why when a lot of people listen to it, shit just flies straight in one ear and out the other.

La Cosa Nostra 02-03-06 05:44 AM

Quote:
Originally Posted by Tha Q.
You can't have your cake and eat it too Nos. Your mindset appears to be somewhat narrow. Who all are these "authorized critics" you're talking about? There's ALWAYS, ALWAYS someone to counter points. What gives someone credentials to be the "final word" on something that's purely subjective in the first place? We're not talking medicine or brain surgery here. We're talking about which rappers are the "best" in the game. And, from what I've heard and seen over the years, most rappers don't sit around and mull over that nonsense. They think it's immature and a waste of time. Only critics sit around and discuss things like that. I'm sure a rapper gauges himself against other rappers, but that doesn't qualify him as an "authority" on hip hop.

Lol @ this dude thinking MY opinions are narrow...

So your trynna say rappers dont talk about whos the best in the game.. Are you being serious now dude? That is one of the biggest subjects thats on the mouths of almost ALL emcees whenever they get a microphone put infront of their mouth.. They wanna talk about whos wack and who they consider dope....

Your naieve as fuck Q, yeah your talking respectivly and not being harsh.. But your whole idea of hip hop is just crash and burn.. Your going about it all wrong...

But fair enough.. Music is subjective.. If you wanna overlook all the shortcommings of certain rappers because your their fan.. Then thats your choice.. I certainly wont stop you....

Zone Out 02-03-06 05:46 AM

Quote:
Originally Posted by Terumoto
will: here... i have to do this quickly, so it is hardly in-depth, but you know.

[Canibus]
Yo, why is the ripper so ill?
That would be a unpardonable breach of confidence for me to reveal!
He said one day all eyes would be on me
when they look up in the sky and see the neon 'C'
Rhymes inscribed on a nickel disk encased
in glass with an ion beam for longevity
For more then 10 centuries, impressions and memories
the first time-machine inventor will mention me
Canibus was a visionary indeed
he believed light could travel in multiples of c
The organic supercomputer that solved the mysteries
of Klein-Kaluza with 2 blue metric rulers

----that shit is ill, if you know what it actually means.
Liked Cool J, but thought Stephen Jay Gould was cooler
and he never liked to propagate rumors
Smoked Canary Island cigars
liked America, luxury cars and beautiful Asian broads
He had a strong mind, he used to philosophize
about rhymes while he was pruning his Bonsai
He claimed that he had written the greatest rhyme of all time
but he would never take it out his archives
He wrote 2 songs per day
and was constantly was experimenting with his wordplay
In his youth he did a report on the Sloan Digital Sky survey
he got an F but he deserved an A

---again, dope, if you know the reference.
I followed his career from the first day
it seemed the lack of support contributed to his inert ways
I seen him pull in 24 hour workdays
with deferred pay, undeterred by the word "shame"
Public humiliation was the worst pain
he was spinnin out of control like a class 5 hurricane
He said he wouldnt want another emcee to suffer the same
especially when there's nothing to gain
He was the illest alive but nobody would face it
he spit till his toungue was too torched to taste, it
properly funded corporations carbon-dated his latest creations
to extract the information
They found it utterly amazing
they claimed the body of his work was the same thing as a priceless painting
Never mattered to him, the art galleries hated him
cause Thomas Kinkade called, said he would take 10

---Right here, in just this small section, it starts talking about his experiences with the music industry. By the way, that Thomas Cincaid line is ill.
Complete enigmas wrapped in puzzles encrypted in language
with sound but without shape or signature
Kept files in his garage, on MS-DOS
in a fire-proof pod, he thought it was odd
Outside there was a shed with an Oppenheimer lock
he apparently kept more wax then Madame Tussaud's
We were in total awe, cause it blew our minds
so many rhymes that were intricately designed
He WAS Poet Laureate of his time
and if you dont mind, I'd like to share some of his rhymes

[*beat switches*]

Alone in my room, looking thru the 32X telescope zoom
adjusting the focus of the moon
One should not assume the philosophy of David Hume
is nothing more then a subjective conclusion
What is the maximum field rate application?
the run away glaciation surrounding the ocean basin
affects the population fluctuation
on a continuous basis but that's just the basics
The juxtaposition of Canibus' position
the precision something no other has written
Way above and beyond what was intended
the unparalleled malleable enunciation of a sentence
You didnt go to college obviously
I can tell by your ungodly unintelligible terminology
A remarkable odyssey, the rhymes of modern speeds
when the brain orders the body not to breathe
Your competency is not up to speed, you not in my league
you couldnt possibly be hotter than me
Or oppositely you're minus 25 degrees, you'd squeeze
but the condensation makes rifle barrels freeze
Allow me to speak figuratively, nigga please
my intellectual properties are about the size of Greece
Your counselor advised you not to speak
my counselor advised me to keep rhymin until they stopped the beat
In the words of Joseph Heller, "I learned how to write better"
even though it sort of irked me
He said he didnt understand the process of the imagination
but he felt he was at its mercy
Which exploits my point perfectly and certainly reinforces
the reason why nobody's probably ever heard of me
Couldnt understand what I mean by ill
unless you try to translate what I print to film
This is the line of will, the circle of time
the cycle of eternity, the emergence of 1 line
Academic phonetics render critics tounge-tied
Ive personified dry humor of cum-laude alumni
A wise man sees failure as progress
a fool divorces his knowledge and misses the logic
And loses his soul in the process
obsessed with nonsense with a caricature that has no content
My style is masterful, multi-lateral
I could battle a fool and be naturally cruel
Words of scourn are a disasterous tool
from an existentialist view, I'm a better rapper then you
Grab the mic and rip your physical fabric in 2
my attitude is fucked up but admirable
Different methods interpreted into different forms
from entirely different perceptions and seen from different norms
Not just spittin a poem there's much more involved
there's much more pieces of the puzzle for you to solve
48 orders of mechanical laws
and rays of creational cause, enhance the cadence of my bars
Maybe I am self-absorbed
but thats the effect, to find the cause you should ask my A&R
Today is what it is, but only because yesterday was what it was
permitting you heard of Beelzebub
A tale of demons and drugs, pissy drunk in the club
with the DJ doing the needle rub
Chances are you'll never see me son
yeah I know my names Canibus but I cant help you if you need a dub
---that whole verse was dope, if you understand him.

[*beat switches*]

I came to holla at some big booty bitches
and listen to the speakers thump, where you get conceited from?
Im so nice on the mic, they wanna beat me up
its deep as fuck, I aint seen it all but I've seen enough
Really unbelievable stuff
theres a lot of times where I wanna speak but I'm stuck

---He is speaking on the release of his album... he went to a party and got attacked by some other rappers. In the second part he's talking about censorship.
I should leave this rap shit alone
and kick my incredible in rhymes in the privacy of my own home
My imagination is my own
the liberty to speak to freely, lividly on the microphone
Wit a pen in my hand, I bring motion to the enneagram
and become "Cani-millenium man"
Engrave my back with the emperor's stamp
been spittin scientific rap since the 17th century began
Tryna' escape the wicked empire of Def Jam
and the land where lyrics are bland and heretics hang
Every warrior has an axe to bury
but he has to learn to discern between enemy and adversary

---What was that about him never mentioning Def Jam? Its not even a metaphor here, he straight up calls them a wicked empire. The second part is about his "beef" with eminem.
I said to myself, "Germaine this is insane
its suicide its controlled flight into terrain"
I fought to regain, control of the plain, but went up in a ball of flames
and got banned from the hip hop hall of fame
For 2 bars I kept hearin in my head
over and over again, it cost me everything

[*beat changes back to the original beat*]

Im convinced now that more then truth is at stake
Where people create language that pretends to communicate
Euphemisms are misundertood as mistakes
but its a bi-product of the ghetto music we make
From an extroverted point of view I think its too late
Hip Hop has never been the same since '88
Since it became a lucrative profession there's a misconception
that a movement in any direction is progression
Even though of the potency of it lessens
big money industries writing checks to suppress the question
And nobody gives a fuck no more, no one goes to the book store
ever since the confluence of Moore's Law
But I stay in the lab, like Niels Bohr
and his son Aage, Edward Lorenz and Leo Szilard
Lyrically I took rap music and turned the knob
to the right full throttle and added panache
Why would I argue with my own conscience over the truth?
thats like me telling myself dont tell me what to do
Dialyses and analyses of battle emcees
sometimes I say things I myself can't believe
My lyrical is so skillfully elliptical
I can understand how it makes you miserable
You wonder why I never let you play your beats for me
or why I keep my studio enshrouded in secrecy
You wonder what's my infatuation with Alicia Keys
"Canibus why dont you speak to me?"
Yo, I meant it when I said no one can shine on a song that features me
thats why I said it so vehemently
You need to place the hate with respect
I'm probably the best yet, Poet Laureate!!!

thats all i have time for... but pretty much every line has a meaning of the same kind.

Granted, it is definitely NOT aimed at your average audience. Probably without looking things up people wouldnt understand a lot of the song. But if you can comprehend all the meanings, all the ill wordplay, and all the concepts, it is a very deep song.

like I said, the song isnt wack. lyrically its nice, but its not deep.
3 sides to a story - Joe Budden is deep.
Whatever it takes - Joe Budden is deep
Poet Laureate -Canibus is not deep.

and did someone "attack him" physically or lyrically"?
cos if he was attacked lyrically, and he claims he got stuck, then thats a damn shame
and he was attacked physically and he didnt rip off their hands with the crown still attached to it, thats a shame

Zone Out 02-03-06 05:47 AM

Quote:
Originally Posted by Nostradamus
Lol @ this dude thinking MY opinions are narrow...

So your trynna say rappers dont talk about whos the best in the game.. Are you being serious now dude? That is one of the biggest subjects thats on the mouths of almost ALL emcees whenever they get a microphone put infront of their mouth.. They wanna talk about whos wack and who they consider dope....

Your naieve as fuck Q, yeah your talking respectivly and not being harsh.. But your whole idea of hip hop is just crash and burn.. Your going about it all wrong...

But fair enough.. Music is subjective.. If you wanna overlook all the shortcommings of certain rappers because your their fan.. Then thats your choice.. I certainly wont stop you....

so, whats the short coming of Joseph Budden!?

La Cosa Nostra 02-03-06 05:49 AM

Oh man... You got so much to learn man.. Joe budden jus aint that dope..

and he aint deep either.. What you think is deep is like "aww man i been living in the hood omg my life is so shit omg omg omg blah blah blah"

Have a fucken cry or somethin bro.. Budden aint that deep at all... And I bet he aint even lived that hard of a life.. You DO realise that record labels lie to all fuck about rappers past's to sell records right?

Didnt think so....

Zone Out 02-03-06 05:56 AM

Quote:
Originally Posted by Nostradamus
Oh man... You got so much to learn man.. Joe budden jus aint that dope..

and he aint deep either.. What you think is deep is like "aww man i been living in the hood omg my life is so shit omg omg omg blah blah blah"

Have a fucken cry or somethin bro.. Budden aint that deep at all... And I bet he aint even lived that hard of a life.. You DO realise that record labels lie to all fuck about rappers past's to sell records right?

Didnt think so....

you keep bringin up this "record label shit" like Joe Budden is a multi platinum artist
he JUST got signed to Def Jam
his deepest songs isnt even ABOUT himself they're about OTHER PEOPLE
He dont rap about growin upo a hard life
thats just how you THINK he rap
YOU'RE the naieve one
I cant say I honestly listened to canibus and got over him
I have Can I bust, Mic CLUB and the very very garbage C True hollywood story
I've had them since I was around 13- 14 years old, man
Joe Budden is grown man music, stop judgin him sayin he rap about this and that BEFORE YOU ACTUALLY HEAR HIM
Because the way you're talkin now, its very VERY obvious that you havent heard shit from him

La Cosa Nostra 02-03-06 06:00 AM

ROFL Grown man music... Nah dude...

Lmfao Thats going wayyy too far... This arguments getting real pathetic real fast.. Its obvious I'm arguing with cats that dont really know shit..

So I'ma end this right here man.. Have a good night rofl...

To be honest I'm not even that much into canibus... I got a lot of his songs.. But there are other rappers I listen to FAR more than him...

I only rarly crack out poet laureate and a few other songs cause I enjoy listening to them.... I only posted his lyrics cause he so badly shits on joe budden... It was just a good example...

Terumoto 02-03-06 06:04 AM

Quote:
Originally Posted by Will S.Unyu
like I said, the song isnt wack. lyrically its nice, but its not deep.
3 sides to a story - Joe Budden is deep.
Whatever it takes - Joe Budden is deep
Poet Laureate -Canibus is not deep.

and did someone "attack him" physically or lyrically"?
cos if he was attacked lyrically, and he claims he got stuck, then thats a damn shame
and he was attacked physically and he didnt rip off their hands with the crown still attached to it, thats a shame


Maybe we're talking different "deeps" here. I mean deep as in the song has a lot of hidden meanings and the experiences he is talking about are emotionally moving. The actual lyrics in the song are "deep."

Maybe you mean deep like immortal technique's dance with the devil? Its just a story, but its very well told. Theres no underlying meanings and hardly any wordplay, the meaning of the words is apparent. What makes songs like that deep is the themes being addressed and the events that take place.

I havent heard those budden joints, but they sound like they would be the second kind of "deep" that I mentioned, when with canibus, im talking about the first.

La Cosa Nostra 02-03-06 06:07 AM

Yo Will.sun.you..

If you wanna hear shit that is actually some of my fav rapers.. Download shit by artists like Bliss N Eso, Hilltop Hoods, Tupac, Wutang, Mass MC...

Etc etc etc......
If you remember.. Hilltop hoods had that verse I posted first up and you said was pretty dope... :thumbup:

Zone Out 02-03-06 06:09 AM

3 Sides to a story

^That is one of the best story tracks written in YEARS. Its deep as fuck, especially the 2nd verse when he's rappin from the girl perpestive

Future
Another very deep Joe Budden. His delivery in this is remarkable. A very emotional track where Joe raps about the struggle inside of him.

Stained
And this track right here is just another very emotional track. Joe Budden is one of the most emotional rappers out. Matter of fact, this song addresses YOU! Listen to the 2nd verse, in the beginning. He addresses people LIKE YOU!


Seriously, Canibus lack the finesse to rap like Joe Budden. He has lyrical skill, but delivery wise, emotional wise, HELL NO.

La Cosa Nostra 02-03-06 06:13 AM

You just dont know what deep shit is...

Also LMFAOODFROFDLROFORLFORLF @ him rapping as a 'girl'... Bahahahhaa

So you like when grown men rap like women huh.. Thats deep to you I see...

Lol... Canibus IS 123094205349028 times better than Joe Budden.. Your jus naieve and sound like you might of got hit in the head a few too many times in your youth...

Zone Out 02-03-06 06:18 AM

Quote:
Originally Posted by Nostradamus
You just dont know what deep shit is...

Also LMFAOODFROFDLROFORLFORLF @ him rapping as a 'girl'... Bahahahhaa

So you like when grown men rap like women huh.. Thats deep to you I see...

Lol... Canibus IS 123094205349028 times better than Joe Budden.. Your jus naieve and sound like you might of got hit in the head a few too many times in your youth...

yeah
you're a Canibus dickrider
its VERY apparent now
I didnt say he was rappin as a girl, you fuckin retard
I said he rapped from the girl's perpective.
there IS a difference
wow, for someone to be so "intelligent" you sure are a fuckin dumbass.
Like I said, YOU know nothin of rap
you're a white dude born and raised in Australia.
you like NERD RAP.
Which is cool, but you ONLY like nerd rap.
you like old ass rappers
and not only are you naeieve
you're ignorant

La Cosa Nostra 02-03-06 06:49 AM

Lol @ you lying through your fucken teeth to try and make yourself feel like your winning the argument..

You aint.. Let me tell you right now.. You can hate me for it.. But I AM right...........

Zone Out 02-03-06 07:00 AM

Quote:
Originally Posted by Nostradamus
Lol @ you lying through your fucken teeth to try and make yourself feel like your winning the argument..

You aint.. Let me tell you right now.. You can hate me for it.. But I AM right...........

huh!?
wtf!?
lyin ?!?
what am I lying about?
roflmao
you're like Canibus man
sayin random shit to seem intelligent

*SmokeSomething* 02-03-06 12:27 PM

does any body have the link for the battle both songs

Terumoto 02-03-06 04:54 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by Will S.Unyu
3 Sides to a story

^That is one of the best story tracks written in YEARS. Its deep as fuck, especially the 2nd verse when he's rappin from the girl perpestive

Future
Another very deep Joe Budden. His delivery in this is remarkable. A very emotional track where Joe raps about the struggle inside of him.

Stained
And this track right here is just another very emotional track. Joe Budden is one of the most emotional rappers out. Matter of fact, this song addresses YOU! Listen to the 2nd verse, in the beginning. He addresses people LIKE YOU!


Seriously, Canibus lack the finesse to rap like Joe Budden. He has lyrical skill, but delivery wise, emotional wise, HELL NO.


I listened to those 3.

3 sides to a story - Not a terrible track... Nothing really original. Basic parallel construction on obvious issues. You're making it sound like this is the only song of its kind... You really think there arent other songs about hood-life, family problems, teen pregnancy? His delivery is OK, but not as good as you make it out to be. That lisp thing gets annoying. Overall, this track pales in comparison to any of Immortal Techniques story tracks, or even who's there by the guru... shit, even nimrod - drastic measures is iller than this.

Future - This is just some random track??? What did you say was good about this one? His delivery is the same as every other song.

Stained - Delivery the same again. He's talking about the hood again, and how tough he is. Not very unique... -_-. Some semi-decent lyrics.. maybe like 4 bars of them. I stopped listening when that wierd sounding guy ended every line with nigga.........

Well... all of that was pretty generic. Whats so special about joe budden?


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