after big pun red is the illest when it comes to word play

Redman and the song called HARDCORE...

That shits just over a minute long and beats the fuck out of anythin Wayne has ever had.

I prefer Red to pun..

Illest with words to me was Big L..

but if Papoose stays real like he is on the mixtapes, then He'll no doubt be one of the top 5 emcees for wordplay, period.

Big L was a punchline giant... for a lil nukka...lol

greatest emcee of all time.....

get the fuck outta here @ big l bein the best MC of all time.....u jus say shit...get the fuck outta here.....the things that come out of your mouth.....if redman was so hott, why is he bein shelved for the likes of jeezy an rick ross...if the "greatest MC" of all time is running the show....i like red, i've never sed i didnt...but shit u cant knock wayne....all of you whose sayin shit about him keep bringin up fireman, that lets me know none of you have....the gangsta grillz dedication, none of you have the suffix, none of you have any of the squad shit....none of you have any of his shit, let alone his albums, this whole thread is bias...if youre gonna argue come to both sides of the plate.....shit none of you have the leak.....none of you have urban legend, well you mite caz swizz is on it with bring em out...but shit i agree with hip-hop bein about struggle an the ABILITY to express it in rhyme...so thats where i can see where niggaz say jeezy aint lyrical...shit i agree he aint lyrical but he real as fuck and that appeals to me.....he str8 up told that to the backpackers an so called purists...he sed im not a rapper....but shit thug motivation is still in my deck along with cant ban the snowman and trap or die, why because its real....still red is OK wayne to me is better, if they met face to face...wayne would destroy him....i'd pay to see it tho

Wayne is wayyy better. JUST LISTEN TO THA LYRICS....and stop bitchin about him!!

pffffftt...... wayne is decent.... but he's still no redman if you gonna go by the wordplay comparison.... i've listened to wayne's shyt.... i've listened to red's shyt.... from what i hear... "LYRICALLY".... red is better and can flip topics with ease.... WAYNE is too redundant with his rhymes.... all he talk about is getting money... what he got.... and playing like he gangsta.... c'mon.... he in da public eye waaaaaaaaaaayyy too much to be doing the things he say he do in his rhymes.... if that was da case he'd have been behind bars by now.... weezy does have tracks that i like.... but it doesn't make him a better lyricist.....

hell.... ya can't deny canibus's skillz either but he still ain't make a platinum album...... it ain't always about sales... i base my judgements on the individuals skills

if thats the case, off personal skill wayne is the better head to me...flat out...

you're entitled .... but the complexity of lyrics is definitely on redman's side

Redman...

...Easy.

Not only his music is ill, but "How High" was one of the best movies of all time.

You're actually referring to The Source to back up your claim? *shakes head*

No, stfu.

both magazines trashed him so look at what i said
and i was proving a point that lil wayne has no classics

The Source is inaccruate as a motherfucker, for both overrating and underrating albums. According to them, Eminem has no classics either.

Lil Wayne...




EDIT: Didn't know I posted in here. Well.. my answer still stands.

yeah but the source isn't the only one XXL does the same shit
but eminems albums got in the 4 and 41/2 mic range
they aint gonna always be right

Dare is a darkside mother fucker !!!!!!!!!!

ya'll forgot that one !!!

but yea..IMO Red > lil wayne EZZ

Name an emcee better than Big L?..

Rakim. But really it's close, there's a few more emcees that fit into that elite category.

Rakim is dope...KRS too...and big daddy kane....but besides those, None rate anywhere close to L...

nas.....kanye......lupe fiasco....common....want me tomkeep goin

LOL

Have you ever even listend to Big L?...

yup.....so are you sayin that none of these ppl come close to big l......wow u really have no brain.....the only person i'll take off is lupe....caz he's a new nigga but shit....

Common is nice...Kanye doesnt even come close.

lol @ comparing kanye to big l, wow

big L is ill i consider him on the same level of great mc's like jay-z ,NAS, big pun
biggie and countless others

redman still shits on every "MC" today....all his albums are perfect 10's in my opinion....fucka lil wayne....

This is a tough one.

I think Wayne is nice as hell just but red got him. Redman is a classik but i berly even see Redman anymore. Just put it like this. There will never be another redman, And there will never be another Lil Wayne. You gotta understand Redman has had time to progress. Lil Wayne is still progressing. 9/10 Redman is not going to get any better while Lil wayne is only going to get better. In about 10 years the people will support Lil Wayne like they did Redman. And Fuck ever who says Jeezy is real. That nigga is scared to claim is own Hood. He is not from Atlanta. He is from Macon. My Cousin Ex g/f went to school with him. He does know about the dope game though i admit. But until he fesses up and claim his own hood i will never consider him real. T.I. Dont Down T.I. cuz that nigga does got some real lyrics.

Also lil wayne is not all that great I would berly put in in my top 10. He not even the best Lyracist in the south.

Also please do not give a rapper creadibility just because he has worked with some big doggs and shit like Pac and big. Just because he worked with some of the great dosent mean that they are actualy great themselves. Also Yall might be adding another person to the dope emcee list pretty soon. Hopefully If his album drops this year. T-Rock is one of the most dopest lyracist i have ever herd in my life. And im a big papoose, big L, Pac, Nas fan and red fan. Just T-Rock is fuckin dope as hell and probely could be known as one of the best rappers. T-Rock 4/20: Ressurection should drop world wide so yall can cop it. Dot not sleep on that nigga cuz he will put most of ya favorite MC's to sleep.