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..problem is,i'm not saying apexx is wrong,i'm saying he COULD be wrong...but he is so pig headed he thinks he read a few books and it SOUNDS RIGHT to him,or he is just so quick to get ANY answer because he MUST get an answer to EVERYTHING he doesnt even stay open to the idea that we,as humans,may not have that answer. maybe not now,or ever.
...point remains is,can u prove that god doesnt exist,that there arent demons and spirits all around us,that there isnt a heaven on hell? u cant....maybe they dont exist,but maybe they do... can u prove that the millions of ppl who have experienced something that made them believe in god are all faking,or wrong ,or just thinking they experienced something? no...maybe 90% of them are wrong...but can u really be so ignorant as to say ALL of them are? ...what if,God is a "creature" from another planet that we,humans,dont have the technology to reach...what if God is a much more sophisticated "creature" more advanced...what if,we are merely a science experiment to a creature on another planet? what if ants are to humans as we are to God? ...this is just something i'm throwing at u just to show u that u cant POSSIBLY act like u know everything about life,this world ,including what happens when we die....n i'm not talking about what happens to our physical bodies,yes we rot etc. but our souls...if anything happens at all..maybe nothing does,who knows? u sure as hell dont.... |
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yeah, you're right. I'm wrong for attacking her personally, but she's not wrong for attacking me personally. yay. I love giving people high dosages of their own medicine. And you're right about how hypothesies actually DO work. The experiment listed was put in place to test and see if matter leaves the body after a human dies, which was successfully proven. The hypothesis is if this matter has a conciousness or not, which he's not sure of since he couldn't exactly sit ether down for an interview lol. nahm sayin? |
Apexx...that logic is so BAss Ackwards it's not even funny. A "technique" verses "information" are two different things. Studying the bible is often a lesson in history, learning what happened before. In vitro fertilization is a technique that's used for a specific purpose. A person can learn about the history of an event and the context of it to discuss it. But, as with many people on RV, they act as experts on scientific principles, techniques, and theories even though they have a limited education on them. That's the point.
I didn't say you couldn't discuss it. I just said that it is annoying when people discuss things and give misinformation, WRONG information, and flat out BAD information. If they don't know, fine, learn it. If they don't want to learn, then they should shut up. I don't have to have lived during 2000B.c.E. to recount what happened. THat's a moot point because NO ONE who was alive back then is alive now. However, I can learn about that period in time to present a valid and corroborated argument, not just running my mouth like most of the people on this site like to do. So, again, I don't see your point. |
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False. You said I AM wrong. And your crystal balls told you that in 5years a scientist will come foward and "prove me wrong". Sorry, I hold WAY more value in someone's actual documented research than I do in your assumptions, guesses, and theories and "what ifs". If that makes me "pig headed" or an asshole, dickhead, etc, then I'm all that. toodles!!  |
oh wow,u really told me there,wow i have a son ,n i'm crackin open my thighs cuz i had a son,and because i'm in a relationship?
i can turn right around and ask u,do u not have sex when u are in a relationship? do u not plan on having children one day?will that take away what u know?or from ur education? ....thats what MOST ppl do,have families in life,the ones that want one,n i happen to be one of them....does it mean i dont have an education because i have a family?does it make me any less intelligent? i dont think so.... u 've been defeated and u are attacking things about me that are completely irrelevant to this topic...what does me having a son have to do with ghosts? lol u sound like a complete retard |
ummm...i hate to have to break it down to u some more but,
when i said in 5 yrs those experiments could be proven wrong,what i meant was,in 5 yrs they can possibly find out why the body lost those ounces at the time of death,and it could not even be RELATED to what we're talking about....they could be conducting experiments on something totally different and come up with an answer....and then,all the proof u have for ur little theory will be out the window...... sorry hun,but these scientists u are worshiping dont have a cure for cancer,or aids,cant explain many many things ,dont even KNOW what else is out there in the universe,all they can say is that it is constantly expanding and that we dont have the technology to go beyond a certain distance......so until they can prove EVERYTHING to me...i'm going to stay open minded.... |
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I think you DO see my point champ. Read the bolded statement. Fortunately for me, you contradicted your self once you saw that your original statement "if someone hasn't done it, then they're not qualified to speak on it" isn't true since that's what reading and books are for. that's what words from the wise are for. That's what learning is for. Passing on someone elses experience and knowledge to you, so you don't have to go through the same means to get the info. If you think I'm making this up, would you like me to quote where you contradict your self and now agree with what I was saying? Go head. Call my bluff. I asked you questions that any logical person would find the truth in, and eventually you see that your original statement sounds illogical and your current statement is exactly what I first said. And some-how by making you walk full circle, I'm ass backwards??:huh: |
lol. apexx.. ahh can u let ppl win arguments once in a while? lol.. join a damn debate team hahaha.. this is so fun wen ur bored at work.. man oh man.. rv rules =P
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Right. You wake me up when ever this dream of yours comes true in 5 years. In the mean time, keep making up statements that you thoroughly believe that I said, yet....can't seem to find one single quote at all. :thumbup: |
I know good and well no one is judging someone for having a child and raising it. Women are left with the "evidence" of having had sex. What if men were the one's who got pregnant? How many of us would be walking around with a fat belly?
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DONE IT as in a TECHNIQUE Apexx...I gave one example. I didn't change my tone or my initial assertion. I clarified it for you so you can feel good enough to continue to discuss things you learned on the Discovery Channel. I'm not insulting you. I'm telling you the truth. 1 |
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.....this is all u had to say in this entire thread....and again,it does not prove whether there are "ghosts" or not,as neither u or the scientist in question could determine whether the ether that left the body had conciousness or not...............say no more that post speaks for itself and this is precisely what i've been saying all along.... |
HEY! discovery channel owns!! dont diss my fav. channel other than history channel!! hey!!! i luv that.. oh yea they talk bout like thigs that can happen like big ass voclanic eruptions, tsunami's that may hit west coast (me) movin 500 mph while being 90 ft high.. OMG!! thats scary as hell! omg if i die.. i luv u guys!! well not relaly..but if i die. I luv u God!! oh yea!!! im so bored :(
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Well in the bibble i've learned from, ghost are not souls that past away.. they are demon,s because when a person die's they just die and stay in their body or something untill judgement day comes.. thats what judgement day is all about.. when God judges all his children to go to heaven or hell.. no human has ever been to heaven or hell yet.. they are jst waiting till Judgment Day comes.. so basiclly.. no human souls can be ghost.. jst demons trying to trick the human to do crazy things, or jst to make the human think crazy or w/e they want u to do lol.. but yea.. wut i learned.. =P
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haha, that's the thing man, it's not an argument to me. XYZ is a fact. It's been proven, documented, others decades before us have questioned the validity of it and it's STILL a fact. I'll show someone the process and findings and everything, yet....they still don't want to see it. That's on them. Thats when I start having fun, because really...how could you possibly argue with a fact? That's like someoen saying that plants need to eat food, when reality shows that plants get energy through sunlight, and they'll arguing to the death about it despite the proof in their face. I'm not surprised. There are still people who believe that the sun revolves around the earth, not the other way around. Dosen't matter what you show them that someone else has discovered. they find a billion reasons why facts are wrong and their theory is right. To each his own. You know the saying, you can lead a horse to water..... |
OH...for the record...I'm done with this thread as well.
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Don't gas him, please. It's easy to win arguments when you talk in circles and confuse fact with rhetoric. The fact remains that if you're talking about "science", not too many people on this site have a formal education in it, and yet, EVERYONE is an expert. amazing |
well i dont see it as arguing too.. but alot of them do see it like that.. y do u think i never sound offended or mad wen i give statements back to them.. all cuz i see it as debating.. its so fun to do.. sadly its a habbit i have with my girl.. wish i could stop haha.. but its cool.. still luv her.. oh shizzle y did i even say that?? not even part of the topic hahaha.. man oh man.. this azn is so bored haha
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Actually, it's only fun to debate when the people you're debating with respect valid points and fact. It's not fun to debate with people who blow smoke and cross fact with belief. You can't have it both ways. That's what Apexx does. I've figured out his M.O. It's cool. Do your thing. But, I've pinpointed it exactly. His stance is that everything he holds as "true" should be quantifiable. That's absurd. Basically, ANYTHING, ANYTHING that you hold as "true" is an exercise in faith to some degree. Then, when someone brings in the topic of "belief" his assertion is that it's irrelevant because it can't be proven. This argument stifles the person he's "arguing" with because they don't accept his initial assertion of facts being "quantifiable." Therefore, he creates a loophole that allows him to "win" arguments by default. If he sets the rules to his own argument, then it's impossible to "beat" him. That's an old trick and the reason it's NOT FUN to "debate" with him. Apexx isn't always right. 1 |
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alright, lets play your game a little bit more... The bible has nor is not a technique. So once again, by your own deifnition, how are you qualified to speak about heaven, if you've never died and been there? You've never experienced it, so once agian, by your definition, what qualifies you to speak on it? You've never raised a child, what qualifies you to speak on that? Discovery chanel? LMAO yeah...if you see anytihng I said here on ANY chanel, I'd sure as hell love to see it. Quote:
LMAO, you are a complete clown. The human soul is made of ether. Right? Right. <--------this is common knowledge. Not a "belief". Ether escapes the body after a person dies right? Right. <--------this is common knowledge. Not a "belief" So we know that the soul is made of ether and escapes the body after you die. We know that ether is an amorpheous gas that has an ion charge, which is also seen in kirlian photography (why do I feel like I'm repeating my self) sa your "aura". What we DON'T know is if that ether that left THOSE bodies in HIS test has a conciousness. That's where his "hypthosesis" of that comes into play. Not on if the soul is made of an ether, or if it's the soul leaving the body. we KNOW it is. we're jsut not aware of its conciousness, if it knows it's a gas, or what. you conveniently seem to keep forgetting that he's far from the only one to do this experiemnt, as I've already said no less than 3 times. You take his ONE experiemnt as to mean "this is what the entire world of science adheres to - his test" when that's far form the truth. so once again...exactly wtf are you talkign about? You're talking about the soul becoming part of space and all sorts of crazy shit, where are you getting this from? RUUUNNNN!!! APEXX IS GONNA PIN ME DOWN ON SOMETHING SO I CAN'T SQUIRM AROUND MY POINTLESS POINT ANYMORE!! AAAAAHHHHHHH!!! |
P.S. Here's an example of how Apexx argues to ensure he "wins" arguments, even when he is blatantly wrong on some issues.
Apexx says: This ball to my left is red. Therefore, if this ball to my left is red, then this box to my right is blue. Someone he's debating with says: NO. That box on your right is YELLOW. Apexx says: NO. You're wrong. The box on the right is blue because the ball on the LEFT is red. Person says: I don't see the ball on the left as red. Apexx says: If you don't see the ball on the left as red, then your claim that the box on the right is yellow is WRONG. ^^Setting the rules to his own arguments means I'd have to agree with his points or lose that argument by default. Clever...but NONSENSE. |
ofcourse he's not always right.. who is? lol..... im barely ever right.. im jst an azn with glasses, n luvs my baby.. wut do i know?? hahahaha jst messin.. Yo Q.. jst wondering.. wut kind of job u have?/ i work for a rent a car company called Avis Rent A Car.. 10 bucks an hour!! oh yea! lol
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I'd love to know what the hell you're talking about and why you still won't answer these questions that your own theory on life would have me ask you. |
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Ahhhhhhhhhhh...any more pegs? Ummm...Dabatos, I do what I do...hit me up on Aim if you want specifics...Otherwise, realize I'd take yo wallet! lol |
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im not saying that show he is.. but isnt that the best way to win a debate wen u debate against someone by setting it by ur rules first before the other person does so u can win.. i think thats smart to do even if his arguments are wrong.. y loose? lol haha.. imma do that now wen i argue against my mom and want to get something!! oh yea!! thanx apexx! lol p.s. i sorta understand wut ur saying.. but i think i do?? lol.. if i do hopefully it works :( |
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Son, I didn't say there was anything WRONG with debating that way. I said it isn't FUN to debate with someone who sets his own rules and doesn't consider other facts or points of view. The fact is, when you debate with someone like Apexx, if you don't agree with his initial (and foundation) points, then you can't win an argument by default, even if he's wrong. That's like playing basketball with someone who's kicking you in the balls and elbowing you in the eye. Gee...of course THEY'LL have the advantage. They're playing by their own rules. I just said don't gas him up. I know what I stated and I know that I didn't backpeddle on anything I said. |
lol but its not basketball =P hahha.. i never sed u sed its wrong lol.. wut i mean by him debating like that is cool cuz i could win arguments against my mom n dad n sis hahaha.. so cool
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Well, iono who you were referring to when you said, "let other people win arguments" because I never backed down on what I asserted here. And, last I checked, this wasn't an official debate. Him declaring he "won" doesn't mean he "won". THat's asinine. I personally like to discuss lots of issues to consider the possibilities. I don't need to "win" an argument unless I want it that bad. |
argh Q so defensive lol.. its me!! stop it! haha.. i sed arguing is like a debate to me!! ahh! omgosh so mean to the filipino!! :(
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This isn't a competition to me, so please show me where I said I won or "I win" or anything close to it. How could I "win" at something I'm not competing at?:huh: |
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...you are officially the dumbest person on this site.....do u realize u just repeated everything i said,but it took like 5 times as many lines? all u did was paraphrase the entire thing....... ......this is the last time i'm going to TRY to explain to u why u are fuckin retarded.... 1.i made a thread askin if ppl believed in "ghosts" and to share their experiences,if any.. 2.u came in here talkin about ether,and experiments ,n science and what tricks u played on who,n what books u read ...but the one thing that was RELEVANT,the fact that the ether's consciousness cannot be determined WHICH IS THE WHOLE FUCKIN POINT OF THIS THREAD of course no science experiment can determine whether they have a consciousness or not...THATS WHY I WAS ASKIN IF ANYONE HAD ANY PERSONAL EXPERIENCES,AND I ASKED FOR PPL'S OPINIONS ON WHETHER THEY BELIEVED IN THEM OR NOT.... in other words for the slower folk,WHETHER THEY BELIEVED "ETHER" HAD A CONSCIOUSNESS OR NOT....since if i say do u believe in ghosts for some reason u are not getting my question so i have to speak in a way so that u understand........ all u had to say was...u dont believe in ghosts,and that all it is is a gas that leaves the body and u dont believe it has a consciousness.....thats it....not all the other bullshit u came in here talkin about.....and u are so stupid u still dont get my point,in every one of ur posts u are talking about something completely different its like u are having a debate with urself...u are talking but not listening(well in this case comprehending what is written) ...just stop talking man...u are not right ,because u arent even getting my question u are just talking about the topic but u are talking about something completely different....go away |
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What ever you say champ!! :thumbup: |
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