But WAIT!

How can an aids victim complain when people are getting tortured slowly and painfully as we speak. And how can ppl getting tortured complain when there are people in hell! It just doesnt make sense, you're saying I dont know what pain is, when pain is simply what hurts you. Just because other people believe pain is something else doesnt mean my veiw of pain is "wrong". And now you're off topic. You started that "real pain" shit, not me. And you're not gonna admit you're wrong, because your pride's in the way. but WAIT, pride is a sin. thats a :nono:

Show me where I said, "Indeph, you don't know what pain is." You're double talking all over the place. You can't play philosopher, then realist when it suits you bro. You basically had the gall to say that people who are starving to death in other parts of the world are only "imagining" a "conditioned" pain. I'm telling you that's asinine. I don't have pride here. If I did, I'll say something other than what I said then go repent for saying it. I've answered all your points. You're talking in circles and it makes no sense to me. Exactly what is your point? State it please.

Because it's old. Old stuff= always true

Bro...are you serious? I only call people ignorant when they are CLEARLY ignorant about what the bible SAYS about an issue. Most of the people commenting in these threads haven't read or studied what I'm talking about for themselves. So, they are speaking out of ignorance. Maybe I should put up a disclaimer that says, "I'm basing these views on text within the bible."

Furthermore, I believe that the bible was divinely inspired. That means I believe it was written under the guidance of God himself. And, even THAT'S in the bible (2 Timothy). So, again, if you don't believe it you don't believe it. Much of the points in the bible are also aimed at guiding your life. For example, "Give and it shall be given." The last time I checked, there was nothing wrong with that.

You can't pick and choose. You have to understand the scriptures in the context in which it was written.

No one's perfect.











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[QUOTE=Tha Q.]Don't get "cute" on the "good" is relative B.S. bro. I can guarantee you that your life isn't that difficult. There are people who starve to death in parts of the world. You are sitting here on the i-net, probably fully clothed, living a decent life. Those things are "good".QUOTE]


Show me where I said, "Indeph, you don't know what pain is."






Oh yeaaaaaaaaaaaah



and ALL pain is conditioned! I can't believe you can be on this earth longer than me and not even get this. Some people cry when they trip and fall, and some people don't. You're acting like all peopel get hurt on the same shit. God damn. And I just went back to the last page and u said "I dont know what your sexuality is"(yes im back to this). And I told you that I used to get mad excited over titties but now i dont as much. But if I used to get mad excited over them that would mean I was strait, and if I was "born" that way I would of NEVER gotten excited over them. And YES this plays a part in pain being conditioned so dont play the "off topic" angle with me. I was taught what is wrong and what was right. If I lived a life without even getting touched and got a scratch it would hurt like hell. But if I worked as slave and been whipped all my life then a scratch would mean nothing to me. OMfg are you mentally ill or indenial?

Saying your life isn't that difficult is NOT the same as saying "you don't know what pain is." Nice try. You made a statement that suggested you weren't experiencing "good" because it was purely "relative." I simply reminded you that there's a huge gap between not having, and not having WHAT YOU WANT.

And, I won't comment on the rest because it's mostly rambling.



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ROflffkalmfoa

Aight, coo

One more thing for LK...

Sex drive is absolutely controlled by genes as well as your surroundings. So, sex drive is without doubt part nature part nurture. I don't honestly know the percentages either way. Assuming you are hetero, you didn't have to convince yourself to be hetero. You just are. WHen you hit puberty, you didn't have to bargain with yourself to get horny when you saw a guy who was sexally arousing. The same can be said for homosexuals. I don't see why anyone thinks it's any different. According to some morons (yea, they are morons) gay people are just rebelling. That's laughable.

Freal I'm being strait up, I have absolutely no problem with gay people. I was just using that to prove my point. And you said being gay is part of your surroundings. The same thing goes for pain, if you went back and actually READ what I said then maybe you'd understand. -_- But hey, who'd want that?

OH...ONE MORE THING LK

You have NO CONTROL, NO control over who you are attracted to. When you see someone, you're either attracted to them or you aren't. Think about it. If someone catches your eye, they just do. Again, you don't convince yourself to MAKE this person catch your eye. The same can be said for homosexuals. When I see something that catches my eye, I go "DAYUUUUUUUUUM" just like a heterosexual would, except they do it with a female.

Don't try to take what I said out of context bro. I said it's part GENETIC, part Environment.


:nono:

Too many people believe in this false figure.

Funny, God will crush his enemies.











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^ Funny, if you believe in him you would know that God does not approve of Homosexuals.

You'll die too.

Funny, that's not what the bible says.

Now, Po Eti, why would I call someone ignorant?

hmmm...Go figure.

Show me one spot in the Bible where it says it's not a sin.

Why would I show you what you don't believe in anyway? According to you, God is a false figure.


tsk tsk tsk

Ignorance is not even bliss, it's ridiculous.

I used to belive in it, I've read the Bible twice.

It's anti gay.

You dont' know what you're talking about.

ahhhhhhhhh OF COURSE you "used to" believe in God. How did I know that? I knew that when you referred to God as capital "G"od. The bible is as much anti-gay as it is anti-lying, anti-drinking, anti-fornicating, anti-pride, anti-lust, and about 10000 other antis. So, again, I tell you, IGNORANCE is bliss.

You read the bible twice and gave up huh. I wonder what caused you to turn your back on God.

Before I was 15..

Lost 8 family members, parents divorced, kicked out of my house.

Felt like Job in a way, if you even know how that is..

How wut is, serving God? Working? Yea, I know how those are...

Funny...you lose all those things but still have the use of your mind to articulate you. You survived. To me, that's one cause to question why you're pretending God is some figment.

eh eh

Anyway...don't kid yourself bro. God, nor the bible, spends that much time denouncing gayness. There are 2-3 scriptures and that's it. Sin is sin. I can, however, find 100000000 scriptures that talk about how God hates PRIDE.

^^^^Let's get on that.

ANyway...I gotta go


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1: what if you sleep around with NO dudes and infact were BORN with aids, who do you find accountable for that? "God made me this way" is what every religious zealot says about their life their appearance and their body. So if you're born with AIDS, you wouldn't proclaim "God made me this way!" all the same? What's the difference??

2: Add to that, lets say joe schmoe is walking down the street and gets obliterated by a car, one could say the driver and car are at fault. On the other hand, someone else would say it's joes fault for not being more observant. At the rate you're going, when good cars obliterate you, you say god did it and call it blessings. when bad cars obliterate you, you say it was your own doing and not gods.

Again, what is the difference? I'd like an answer to these two questions.

I also didn't see relevace in your response to this:

I've had enough of this thread for one day. My head hurts.

lol........................^^^

for the ppl who dont belive all i can say is this .....How do you know Gerorge Washington was real? Answer: Because of the books point blank period.... Have You Seen George Washington in person? I havent lol so how u know he's a real person ....so how can one say god aint real and george washington is ?

life's full of mysteries word....

word. dont blame me.

lol word ecko nice one =P haha

Not that I have a view on the Bible's take on homosexuality, but to be correct, your bible states that your "God" burned two entire cities and everyone in them alive and turned sympathisers into "pillars of salt". These cities were Sodom and Gamorah, populated by homosexuals and "the wicked". As a matter of fact, all of Genesis 18 and 19 discusses your "God's" disposition vehemently against homosexuality as does huge portions of Leviticus just to name a few. I don't know where you got this "2-3 scriptures" that you claim, seeing that the bible speaks against homosexuality no less than 100 times. Here's a few "quotables" from your Bible:

Genesis 13:13 Now the men of Sodom were wicked and were sinning greatly against the LORD.

Leviticus 20:13 " 'If a man lies with a man as one lies with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They must be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads.


Genesis 19:3 But he insisted so strongly that they did go with him and entered his house. He prepared a meal for them (the two Angels sent to destroy the cities of Sodom and Gamorah), baking bread without yeast, and they ate. 4 Before they had gone to bed, all the men from every part of the city of Sodom—both young and old—surrounded the house. 5 They called to Lot, "Where are the men who came to you tonight? Bring them out to us so that we can have sex with them."

Genesis: 19:12 The two men (previously called "Angels" sent to destroy the city) said to Lot, "Do you have anyone else here—sons-in-law, sons or daughters, or anyone else in the city who belongs to you? Get them out of here, 13 because we are going to destroy this place. The outcry to the LORD against its people is so great that he has sent us to destroy it."

Leviticus 18:22 'Do not lie with a man as one lies with a woman; that is detestable.

Genesis 19:24 Then the LORD rained down burning sulfur on Sodom and Gomorrah—from the LORD out of the heavens. 25 Thus he overthrew those cities and the entire plain, including all those living in the cities—and also the vegetation in the land. 26 But Lot's wife looked back, and she became a pillar of salt

The "Bible" justifies to it self and it's readers everything from gay bashing, to murder, to torture, human and animal sacrifice, barbarianism, cannibalism, taking, owning and selling slaves, supremacy, incest, and even wife beating and female inferiority.

And this is the book you're holding on to for your salvation? The same book that says it's okay to take your life?

Proceed with caution young man. Everything is not what it would seem.

interesting discussions going on in here.


^word to those quotes tho.


and Apexx, just out of curiousity, what religion are you? j/w.. my bad if you said it before in this thread, I didn't go thru all the posts.

That is probably the stupidest thing I have ever read in my life.

It's cool, I understand the curiosity. I used to be an adamant catholic in my teenage years, but then I actually read the Bible cover to cover and thats when things changed. The more you know of the "whole story", the less things add up and you find your self saying "wow, so if this is true..that would mean that was false??" - and both of these things are within the bible. As fractions and short-sight they seem like a functional idoligy, but in totality, they're disjointed and conflicting.

To aide our grasp for information I'll try to frame the following statement in a context that we're all used to: The only works that I've seen that contains whole truths are the gilgamesh epics and the enuma elish - both of which are over 10,000 years older than even the Bible and other story books similar to it. Neither the giglamesh epics nor the enuma elish say or imply "this is how you should live your life" and "do this but not that". They're both objective accounts of history from the first civilizations on the planet and tie EVERYTHING (and I mean EVERYTHING!) together. For the first time in my life, everything made perfect sense. These are the works that you will find all these Religious Story Books take their concepts from and twist in their own perspective and label it as their people's "story of creation". Even the word "god", "God" and "GOD" all come from these scrolls and is actually an acroynm of three words.

I guess this is the closest way I can squeeze what I know into the concept of "a person and their beliefs" into a digestable 'statement for the masses' though it is actually the exact opposite of that.

holy shit i said something on like page 1 and it blew up to 5 pages...i skimmed through it but Q,what i want to say to u is...
if u are this passionate about God and church that here you are preaching constantly the word of god even on a rapboard (which i commend u on)...why do u sit there making excuses about ur sexuality when u KNOW it is wrong?
...if god is ur creator,then he created u this way....blame it on ur hormones or ur pencreas or whatever,god created those too in ur beliefs right?
....so why be a half assed christian n make excuses,chalk it up to "struggling and temptation" and suck it up....
cuz to truly live the life god wants u to live,u have to give up a lot of things ,n some will be harder than others
....cuz if u say its just one little thing in the bible that u arent keeping to,then allllll the sinners in this world can pose in church like they are god's desciples as long as its just one or two things they arent keeping themselves to cuz they cant help it
....a serial killer who gets off on seeing ppl get chopped up can say,he cant help it ,he likes the rush he gets when watching someone die,yet,he keeps to all of the other things the bible tells him to do....
...an adulterer can say the same,that he screws around on his wife but he cant help it cuz when he sees other women,his dick gets up......
..or it doesnt have to be that extreme,it can be just simple shoplifting,or telling lies or any of that....basically if u want to be a christian,u have to give a lot of stuff ,its a strict life and u cant do it half assed and pick n choose what is convenient for u to give up and what isnt....n like i said some habits are harder to change then others....n hey,i'm noone to judge but i'm just saying...if u are gonna be this passionate why not pray to god or something about ur sexuality for it to change,or talk to ur pastor or whatever else u'd do if u had a problem or something about urself u wanted to change cuz it was wrong in god's eyes.....
.....all i'm saying is ur justification can be used for any and all sins that the bible speaks against.....and u so non chalantly justify it by simply blaming ur hormones and bullshit...i'm not saying u CHOSE it,but u are defending it and acting like its no big deal.....and u arent doing anything to change it cuz u dont seem to think anything is wrong with it.......................

n wow@apexx getting actual scriptures from the bible lol

or maybe god controls everything on his laptop and when hes making someone have birth he presses delete instead of enter by accident and oops baby gone :(

Owned and shit

Everything happens for a reason.

Simple as that.

This is a stupid question which people think is the equal to 'can God make a rock so big he himself cannot lift it?' The answer is, because everyone agrees George Washington existed. There is evidence supporting he existed, documents, things he interacted with, family, friends. You can say the same about Jesus and whatnot, but those documents have been altered by the Roman Catholic Church. Why the fuck would anyone fake the life of a person that was not viewed as a prophet sent from heaven? George Washington was a normal person, albeit being the first president and whatnot. No one has any reason to lie if he ever existed.

Does anyone in their right mind say 'George Washington didn't exist?' No. There are hundreds of religions that go against the Bible, but nothing that attempts to refute that he actually existed. What, you think that they actually forged documents, history, brainwashed everyone who has ever seen him, and everyone who says he existed is a liar?

There's your answer, plain and simple. Someone, by your logic, can say 'Does Africa exist? Because if you haven't been there, you're only basing what you know off others'. Honestly now.