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Tha Q. 03-27-06 12:29 PM

OH...and ONE MORE THING

During his day, they called Jesus a hypocrite, a heretic, and even SATAN himself.

So, being called "sinner" by other "sinners" is far from hurting me. I just find it funny that people focus on what they perceive as a weakness when, in fact, it's just annoying.

I got heart. Remember, I was singled out here. If Apexx wanted clarification, he could have Pm'ed me instead of making a public thread, then publicly badmouthing me when I chose to ignore him.




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La Cosa Nostra 03-27-06 12:39 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by Tha Q.
I was going to ignore your response and let you say what you had to say. BUt, I'll respond anyway.

You're comparing being "gay" to being "retarded"?...Okay...sure...I won't comment on that because I think it's ridiculous.

What I will comment on is your inability to see that the bible is encompassing when it comes to SIN.

You obviously didn't read what I said because then you'd understand my position. I don't see how you can even comment when you didn't read all of it.

I will address one thing though.

Let's say I was a HETEROsexual male who committed fornication. The bible CLEARLY, CLEARLY condemns fornication. Based on your argument, that str8/fornicating man can't believe in the bible because it condemns his behavior.

ehh ehh...That's the basis of the New Testament and the belief in the power of God's salvation. If you don't believe that, don't. The scripture outlines God's plan of salvation through Jesus. I have accepted Jesus as my savior. Making him "Lord" of my life is a process that every believer takes when they accept the burden of their "cross".


SATAN, get behind me.

WHy don't you accept the fact that you don't agree with the bible, you don't agree with my beliefs, and move on. Why continue to spread hatred when, now, it's becoming intolerable?


Nostradamus is not god. Like I told Apexx, I don't owe you anything.

Again..

Your trying to argue against me by referencing to what the bible says.. If you actually read my post.. You'd know that was a dumb move...

The point Apexx was making in the other thread was not "is there a loophole" that makes it ok to be gay in your religion..

The point he was making was why the fuck are you part of a religion that has a view point that people who are gay are evil and will go to hell?

I mean what.........Do you really ask for forgiveness every time you get fucked in the ass? And if so.. Then you obviously are bowing to what I would think most gay people would see as obserd and compleatly antiquated ideas about people of your sexual preference.

And what the fuck is sin other than something your religion teaches you.. A method of creating laws outside the bounds of earthly authoritys... PLEASE dont try and say I am wrong because blah blah blah the bible says this the bible says that about sin...

I dont want to hear it.

You are a blind fool Q.. You just dont realise it.

Nejji Bangaz 03-27-06 12:45 PM

why r u fuckholes still arguing?
everyone thinks theyre the only correct person on this shit...how is hurting u wut sum1 else says?
Q if sum1 calls u a sissy ass faggot how is it hurting u if u sum hard ass nigga that happens to be attracted to men?
everybody stop bitchin about other ppl's opinions its childish and stupid as fuck n im sick of all these wack ass threads being made to "justify" ppls beleifs...everybody just shut the fuck up

Tha Q. 03-27-06 12:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Nostradamus
Again..

Your trying to argue against me by referencing to what the bible says.. If you actually read my post.. You'd know that was a dumb move...

The point Apexx was making in the other thread was not "is there a loophole" that makes it ok to be gay in your religion..

The point he was making was why the fuck are you part of a religion that has a view point that people who are gay are evil and will go to hell?

I mean what.........Do you really ask for forgiveness every time you get fucked in the ass? And if so.. Then you obviously are bowing to what I would think most gay people would see as obserd and compleatly antiquated ideas about people of your sexual preference.

And what the fuck is sin other than something your religion teaches you.. A method of creating laws outside the bounds of earthly authoritys... PLEASE dont try and say I am wrong because blah blah blah the bible says this the bible says that about sin...

I dont want to hear it.

You are a blind fool Q.. You just dont realise it.



No, the fool is someone who says there is no God and rejects truth. Fucked in the ass?...

Nos...tell me, when was the last time I had sex? Then, tell me what I did...You don't know so stop making blind and presumptuous statements. I clearly stated that if you don't believe the bible, then this discussion is futile.

Again, if I wasn't gay, I'd still be a sinner. So, I ask you. If I was a drunkard or a fornicator, would I be less of a Christian?

Apexx has no point because I clearly debunked what his assertion was. The bible debunks his assertion....EVERY MAN IS A SINNER.

Therefore, I have just as much right to believe in God as anyone else...Asking me how I could be a christian and deal with what I deal with is the same as asking a fornicator how he could crave multiple women and still believe in the bible.


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Tha Q. 03-27-06 12:50 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by Nejji Bangaz
why r u fuckholes still arguing?
everyone thinks theyre the only correct person on this shit...how is hurting u wut sum1 else says?
Q if sum1 calls u a sissy ass faggot how is it hurting u if u sum hard ass nigga that happens to be attracted to men?
everybody stop bitchin about other ppl's opinions its childish and stupid as fuck n im sick of all these wack ass threads being made to "justify" ppls beleifs...everybody just shut the fuck up



I agree wholeheartedly. It doesn't hurt me. But, I was accused of "avoiding" questions I had already answered time and again. Then, I was being bad-mouthed for not answering them. Anyway, I'm done with it. My beliefs are my beliefs. I'm done with it.

Nejji Bangaz 03-27-06 12:54 PM

thank god cuz this shit is annoying on the real...

Tha Q. 03-27-06 12:57 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by Nejji Bangaz
thank god cuz this shit is annoying on the real...



I feel the same way...But, you know NOS and Apexx have to get the last word.

Cuz, you know they're GOD.



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Tha Q. 03-27-06 12:59 PM

MIM...can u move this and Apexx's Hard Questions thread to anything Goes or Cerebral?

The LL really isn't the place for it. And, like NB said, it's annoying as hell.

http://community.rapverse.com/showthread.php?t=225162
http://community.rapverse.com/showthread.php?t=224980


Thank you.

La Cosa Nostra 03-27-06 12:59 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by Tha Q.
No, the fool is someone who says there is no God and rejects truth. Fucked in the ass?...

Nos...tell me, when was the last time I had sex? Then, tell me what I did...You don't know so stop making blind and presumptuous statements. I clearly stated that if you don't believe the bible, then this discussion is futile.

Again, if I wasn't gay, I'd still be a sinner. So, I ask you. If I was a drunkard or a fornicator, would I be less of a Christian?

Apexx has no point because I clearly debunked what his assertion was. The bible debunks his assertion....EVERY MAN IS A SINNER.

Therefore, I have just as much right to believe in God as anyone else...Asking me how I could be a christian and deal with what I deal with is the same as asking a fornicator how he could crave multiple women and still believe in the bible.


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Oh cool man..

So I'll just go kill a bunch of people.. But its all good cause the bible says every man is a sinner... And according to Q, I might aswell just go kill people cause even if I dont.. I'm still a sinner...

So what is there to lose? Right?

And if having heterosexual sex is such a sin (which its not).. Then why did god create adam and eve? Full stop... You moron...


Mhmm lets see what other dumb points your making...

Once again saying I dont believe in god.. Which I've said numorous times is a wrong assumption..

Trying to say because I dont know when the last time you had sex was.. I shouldnt be asking why your involved in a religion that condemns your sexual preference..

I mean what dude.. Are you a virgin or something? Is that what your trying to say?

And finally... You relate being a christian to believing in god...

Which is just plain dumb...

Being a christian is believing what a wide spread cult tells you to believe about a prophet they lie to all shit about. Believing in god is believing there is a creator of the universe...

Dont get it twisted...

Nejji Bangaz 03-27-06 01:01 PM

WHY DO YALL HAFTA GET THE LAST WORD? FUCKIN TYPIN UP PARAGRAPHS N SHIT...WE UNDERSTAND UR BELIEFS...N FRANKLY NO ONE GIVES A FUCK...SHUT THE FUCK UP.....kthx

Tha Q. 03-27-06 01:02 PM

I will not reply, even if what I said was misrepresented, again.









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La Cosa Nostra 03-27-06 01:04 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by Nejji Bangaz
WHY DO YALL HAFTA GET THE LAST WORD? FUCKIN TYPIN UP PARAGRAPHS N SHIT...WE UNDERSTAND UR BELIEFS...N FRANKLY NO ONE GIVES A FUCK...SHUT THE FUCK UP.....kthx

Its called a debate you stooge...

Maybe when you graduate from being a dumbshit you can join in too...:thumbdown:

La Cosa Nostra 03-27-06 01:04 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by Tha Q.
I will not reply, even if what I said was misrepresented, again.









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Nothings mis-represented..

You've just said some stupid shit..

Tha Q. 03-27-06 01:06 PM

OH...and one more thing tho...

All of the people of God in the bible were ex-some things...They dealt with sin. Paul was a murdered. Moses was a murderer. Solomon was a womanizer. Noah was a drunkard...

God has always used people who weren't "perfect" to do his work because he wanted them to trust in him.

The bible says if we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from unrighteousness.

And NOS, no, I'm not a virgin. I'm saying you don't know what the hell I do sexually, so don't stretch your small head imagining things.

That's crass.

Tha Q. 03-27-06 01:07 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by Nostradamus
Nothings mis-represented..

You've just said some stupid shit..



funny, I was thinking the same thing about you.

Tha Q. 03-27-06 01:08 PM

THIS IS POINTLESS because you simply don't believe what I believe.

Actually, I don't think you even know what you believe. I think you believe I get fucked in the ass?

WRONG

I think you believe God is the universe.

WRONG

I think you believe alcohol is water with a kick.

DUMB


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La Cosa Nostra 03-27-06 01:09 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by Tha Q.
funny, I was thinking the same thing about you.

Lmao..

Uhh yeah sure man...

You aint fooling anyone....

Tha Q. 03-27-06 01:10 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by Nostradamus
Lmao..

Uhh yeah sure man...

You aint fooling anyone....


Wasn't trying to...Wow, that's the first true thing you said all day.

La Cosa Nostra 03-27-06 01:14 PM

No shit its true...

Any tom dick and harry can see youve made a royal dumbcunt of yourself in this thread and instead of backing out you get all mad and make statements like I believe alcahol is water with a kick as a defence mechanism...

Man I'm outta here...
You should of quit before you started.....

Tha Q. 03-27-06 01:16 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by Nostradamus
No shit its true...

Any tom dick and harry can see youve made a royal dumbcunt of yourself in this thread and instead of backing out you get all mad and make statements like I believe alcahol is water with a kick as a defence mechanism...

Man I'm outta here...
You should of quit before you started.....



About as dumb as your statement "You get fucked in da ass"

Completely blind and WRONG.


Nos, you're bitter.

Tha Q. 03-27-06 01:18 PM

And, how did I make a cunt out of myself, cuz I don't accept your LIES as MY truth?

get outta here

Go spread your atheism on someone else...I ain't buyin it.

Nejji Bangaz 03-27-06 01:22 PM

omfg u jus said u wouldnt reply...if u do ur a liar :mad: so yea stfu...k thx pc n love erybody...pc n love....fuckin kids

Tha Q. 03-27-06 01:24 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by Nejji Bangaz
omfg u jus said u wouldnt reply...if u do ur a liar :mad: so yea stfu...k thx pc n love erybody...pc n love....fuckin kids



sorry...it ain't my fault Nos is drunk and can't think straight.

So, all these "debates" he isn't thinking straight.

That's apparent. He thinks he's God and Apexx is Christ.


I rebuke both of them.

Tha Q. 03-27-06 01:31 PM

So smart, they keep askin me the same question over and over, as if the answer is going to change.

talk about dumb

Tha Q. 03-27-06 01:53 PM

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Originally Posted by PIMPIN aint easy
stop goin on about these 2 dam u obsessed over them i said ye i agree i dont know if nos n apex are homophobic or not n u made a huge ass answer referrin to the 2 of themthe whole time i dont giv a fuck about them




True...But, it annoys me that two bigots can hide behind intellectualism and people are buying it. Once again, even people in the KKK wear suits and have jobs.

They're nothing more than well groomed A-holes.



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Tha Q. 03-27-06 01:55 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by PIMPIN aint easy
and the hard questions thread i dont think uu hav answered all these many times i think there is 4 questions there for u n i honestly hav never seen i answer the first 2 in any way or form u just always danced around the issue



OKay...Let me indulge you and prove to you that I've answered those questions over and again.

Now, I'm not sure if you can prove the timeline, but that's not important. The point is, I've answered them before.


Stay tuned.

Tha Q. 03-27-06 02:00 PM

Q, you hold dearly to your Bible as your means for salvation, yet the bible clearly states:

Quote:
Leviticus 20:13 " 'If a man lies with a man as one lies with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They must be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads.



How do you align your self with something that speaks so vehemently against you because of the way you were born?



I answered this in my thread about "blaming God for problems" after LK asked the same thing.

Originally Posted by LaTiNKiTTeN
....ok i get ur point ,but...that example with the babies u used was not a good example
....u r sayin babies that are born with defects are the mother's diets' fault?
or she must have been drinkin or doin drugs?
u r wrong there are things that happen to babies without any of that....n even doctors cant explain it so i think that was a pretty ignorant generalization...
.............let me ask u a question?

do u believe god made u homosexual?
n why...goin with this theme,
if he frowns upon that,clearly he does in the bible...
n u r so involved in god n church,why havent u become heterosexual?
.....one could reason that it is "temptation from the devil"
speaking from a christians point of view i guess,not my own...
....what is ur take on that?




Sexuality in terms of physical attraction is controlled mostly by hormones. Those hormones are controlled by your pituitary gland. The last time I checked, people didn't have control over their pituitary glands. So, being attracted to someone, whether the same or opposite sex, is mostly out of our control. What we can control is when these urges come, how we respond to them. I am no more "hetersexual" than you are "homosexual." Technically, I can force myself to try to be attracted to females, even when my nature is pulling me in opposite directions. But, that wouldn't be genuine or fair to the female. I know so many closet homosexuals who get married, pretend to be "str8", and ruin females' lives. I've seen it numerous times. The bible clearly condemns gay sex. The bible also condemns fornication. it condemns adultery. It condemns beastiality. There are lots of things the bible condemns. So, I won't focus on one. Now, looking at your motive to bring up homosexuality is interesting because I don't consider having to deal with it "suffering" or a "bad thing". There's a difference between temptation and action. I am no more a sinner than a man who womanizes and fornicates habitually. Sin is sin. The truth of the matter is, I believe sexuality is a spectrum. I am not 100% "gay" because I do have thoughts of certain women and even having a kid one day. But, I would never put myself or a woman in a bad position just to prove to society that I'm "normal."


Plus, I didn't say ALL BABY DEFECTS were the result of a woman's poor decisions. I said that in that case, I know examples of people feeling that way. They didn't exercise precaution when they were pregnant.

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PS...ONE MORE THING...I would Absolutely take a vow of celibacy before I'd force myself to do something just to "fit in"...If I'm attracted to a woman, I'd do it because I WANTED TO, not because society says so. However, if I never develop the ability to be 100% attracted to a female I'm with, I'd be celibate, easily too. That may seem crazy to you, but my life is my life. I don't have to life it according to your terms. Marriage and kids are wonderful for whom they are for. If it turns out that I don't get to experience that, I'll be fine with it. You play the hand life deals you.








Here's my answer to Apexx's question about why I call "people" ignorant. This was after you asked me about it.

Quote:
Originally Posted by PIMPIN aint easy
EXACTLY BUT DONT CALL ME OR ANY1 ELSE IGNORANT FOR NOT HAVING THE SAME VIEWS AS U




I only called you ignorant when you resorted to bullshit. State your views and move the hell on. I just wanted it known that I wasn't making this up. It's documented in scripture.


nuff said

Magic5 03-27-06 02:12 PM

Moved to The Cerebral Approach at Tha Q's request.

Tha Q. 03-27-06 02:18 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by PIMPIN aint easy
i was actually referring to these 2 questions

yet your own religion says it's okay to take your life. Why?

you said that "if someone never did it, then they aren't qualified to speak on it". So on your own logic, I have to ask you a a few questions. According to yor logic, you've never died and gone to heaven, so how can you speak on it? You've never raised a child, so how could you speak on that? I can go on and on with questions like this, but by your own logic, how is what you're saying worth considering?



My religion does not say it's okay to take my own life. I don't know where that statement came from. And, as for the other parts, I said that in the context of ONE THING, but Apexx wanted to make a big deal about it because I hurt his feelings. LK was talking about people watching the Discovery Channel and becoming experts all of a sudden. I then made the statement that I did find it annoying that people were talking about scientific principles when they weren't formally educated on it, thereby giving misinformation much of the time. I never meant that in the context of, "You can't say anything unless you've been there," even though there is some truth to that. If I've never been on drugs, I'm not the best person to tell someone what detox is like, even though I could give them the symptoms from reading about it. Feel me?

Tha Q. 03-27-06 02:38 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by PIMPIN aint easy
gotcha........./



bless your soul


really?


lol




finally... :thumbup:




Tell Nos to follow suit with his New Age foolishness.







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Tha Q. 03-27-06 03:42 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by PIMPIN aint easy
im not sayin i agree wit u in anyway i jus basically hav gotten the answers to the questions that i was wonderin wat your point of view was n im just agreein to dissagree its watever



I know...and still, BLESS YOUR SOUL...

cuz, it seems like after I answer these questions, I get asked them over and again as if the answer is going to change.


Neway...I'm not sweatin it...I realize that living for God means sacrificing what is natural...that's the whole point...If it wasn't then anyone could live any way they wanted to...


"Wide is the path that leads to destruction."
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∆ P E X X 03-27-06 05:10 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by Tha Q.
I've answered all of your questions at some point or another. But, let me answer them here, AGAIN.


First of all, let me address the issue of my sexuality, AGAIN.
I was not the first person to "out myself" on this site. Latinkitten holds that honor. I disclosed to someone on AIM that I was gay, then they fed her the information so she could "son me" in a battle. That = lame. So, she posted the convo on the board, and, VOILA, THA Q IS GAY. Sure, I could have denied it and said she made it all up. But, I really didn't care anymore at that point because none of the idiots who had anything to say were better than I am.


#2. As far as my sexuality is concerned and my belief in God...

Again, I don't have to validate anything to you Apexx. But, here's the absolute truth. Take it or leave it.
There are lots of things that are "natural" that the bible considers "morally wrong." Being "selfish" is a biologically natural tendency, yet the bible says "give." It's natural for a man to want to sleep with more than one woman, and yet the bible says, "do not fornicate." Therefore, me being tempted to be attracted to men, which the bible condemns gay sex, is no more of a SIN than a man who Fornicates, or curses (which the bible says DON'T DO), or drinks (WHICH THE BIBLE CONDEMNS DRUNKENESS), or loves money (WHICH THE BIBLE SAYS IS THE ROOT OF ALL EVIL), or is full of PRIDE (WHICH THE BIBLE SAYS IS A SIN AND GOD HATES). Saying that I don't have a right to be a Christian because I struggle with what I struggle with is asinine. IF that's the case, then NO ONE has a right to be a Christian because everyone SINS and does something the bible Condemns and says will land you in "hell". With that said, people obviously haven't read the 2nd chapter of Ephesians which says that "salvation is not from works, unless anyman boast." In other words, being saved by Jesus isn't somethng you earn from being good, it's a gift that you receive by ASKING and BELIEVING. Heterosexuals are not "better" than I am because they commit fornication with women instead of men. They are simply sinning in a diferent way. People's own ignorances, biases, and insecurities dictate that they make homosexuality a big issue when it's just ONE issue out of MANY in the bible. People talk about how God destroyed Sodom and Gomorrah due to homosexuality. Well, they also fail to mention that God destroyed the Tower of Babel due to man's pride, which MANY people deal with.

#3. Why do I call people ignorant? Contrary to what you think, I don't call people ignorant when they disagree with me. I call people ignorant when they misquote scripture and use it to form their arguments. I call people ignorant when they say what I state isn't in the bible, when I can clearly quote it. Basically, I call people ignorant when they refuse to study the bible for themselves and quote what they HEARD growing up, which usually isn't true anyway. STUDY IT FOR YOURSELF.

Example: I told the story of how the dimensions of heaven, hell, and earth interact. I mentioned how demons and angels interact in the spirit realm. All of that is in the bible. JUST STUDY IT. But, someone came along and basically called me stupid for "making up these crazy stories." I called him IGNORANT because he obviously hadn't read the bible to know that those stories weren't being made up by me. Now, he might not BELIEVE THEM, but don't dare say I'm making it up. That's my qualm.


I feel that people use their hatred for homosexuality to project their hate/bigotry onto me. The fact of the matter is, my viewpoints are no more radical than anyone elses on this board. But, they see me as a "faggot" and so they decide to go hard on the i-net and be disrespectful. ehh ehh...Lemme tell you something. I am not impressed by the ignorance that's displayed here or anywhere for that matter. Most of the people on this site are open minded and cool with me about this and other issues. But, the few that are raging homophobes need to take their anger out on someone else. Tha Q is not a whippin boy. Then, because they can quote facts, they pretend it's all an intellectual argument. NO. They are simply assholes who've mastered the art of looking rational.


Nuff frickin said.


How did I KNOOOWWWW as SOON as you'd get into it, you'd IMMEDIATELY point your finger and say "he did it too" and look for other people to blame and judge. Damn man why can't you just own up for your own responsibility, instead of trying to look at other people and point at their shit. You spend more time looking outside at others than you do lookin at your self inside. Look at your own shit first.


From the way you play the blame game, sounds liek your concious is eaiting you alive man.

I'll stop asking these hard questions.


ADD to THAT you add like 17 extra posts and STILL ain't answer one question, just blaming and looking for faults in others instead of adresin YOURS!!

Crazy Hades 03-27-06 05:17 PM

Tha Q...calling Nos' alcoholism bad is basically the same thing as him calling your homosexuality bad...talking about lowblow...

Tha Q. 03-27-06 05:58 PM

^^I agree. That was stooping to his level.


What Apexx asked is a valid question. Why would any rational person sacrifice what's natural to them to do what's counter-intuitive? It's called faith. My point is, his question could be asked to any Christian, not just me because I happen to be gay.


NO.


And Apexx, I'll leave you to your delusions. My conscience isn't eating me alive. I don't know what you're talking about. I don't have an issue with these issues, you do.


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∆ P E X X 03-27-06 06:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Tha Q.
^^I agree. That was stooping to his level.


What Apexx asked is a valid question. Why would any rational person sacrifice what's natural to them to do what's counter-intuitive? It's called faith. My point is, his question could be asked to any Christian, not just me because I happen to be gay.


NO.


And Apexx, I'll leave you to your delusions. My conscience isn't eating me alive. I don't know what you're talking about. I don't have an issue with these issues, you do.


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What ever you say Champ!! :thumbup:


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