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Sean Gunner 04-10-06 09:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Apexx
Everyone saying "illegal immigrants should go back where they came from :cussing:" should consider that you'd be paying WAY more for EVERYTHING you buy if it weren't for people willing to work for WAY cheaper than YOU would, for a job you aren't willing to take. They're the life blood that loads your goods on trucks, picked AND packaged the food you eat, and if you got a house built in the last 15-20years guaranteed they even built the house you live in. Huge corporations (like Wallmart for example) save billions by not having to pay things like benefeits and 401k's and so on and paying these employees a fraction of what you'd want to do the same job and they still put out way more work than you do. The savings they pass along are now legendary and they're puttin bigger companies outta business. Not to mention, employing illegal immigrants or ANYBODY for that matter keeps them off the streets and out of crimes. that's a good thing, not a bad thing.

That = good business, which is why Bush will NEVER completely stop a willing workforce that works for cheap. Specially since we're already trillions of dollars deep in financial trouble over this fuckin war, we need all the savings we can earn, and we all know the corporations love money.

Like everything you've ever felt the effects of..it's all about money son.


But we also lose billions of dollars in taxes which makes the prices rise. If we had people actually paying their taxes, then the economy would start to balance out more and prices would be more stable instead of rising and dropping so suddenly.

Magic5 04-10-06 09:10 PM

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Originally Posted by locknes
put yourself in there shoes you live in a third world country
and to come to the united states it cost more than what they can afford
and what do u say to the illegal immagrents who have children who where born here
they are american.


The children would be United States citizens. . not the parents. And fuck that shit, I welcome anybody into this country who will pay taxes and not just freeload their way through while hard, honest working Americans work to pay for their fucking asses. Fuck that shit.

Magic5 04-10-06 09:13 PM

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Originally Posted by KOOL COL-B
wuts tha differend between a legall imigrant and a illegall imigrant?

1 can sing tha anthem? pfft, werd


Uhh. . one pays taxes and doesn't just fucking rape the economy by not adding anything to it, but allows the legal immigrant to pay for their fucking freeloading ass.

Magic5 04-10-06 09:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Compose
the people who are already here should stay...but future immigrants should have to get cards and shit, thats if you're playing the my land your land bullshit...if it was my way i'd just open the borders and mexico and u.s. would all be 1 thing =/ seems simpler to me but w/e


At first glance it would seem as if that idea would work, but who'd decide who'd get what land? Like. . Mexico isn't going to agree to let us have their country and merge, and you can bet your ass we're not going to give our land to Mexico. It just won't work out like that.

Compose 04-10-06 09:18 PM

yea i kno what you mean, idk, mexicos leader guy or whatever should realize u.s. is superior and sell us it lmao, not to say u.s. is the best etc. but in all honesty its better economically then mexico i believe so like, he should just sell it, obviously mexicans would like it if theyre struggling to get into this country.

∆ P E X X 04-10-06 09:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Gone
But we also lose billions of dollars in taxes which makes the prices rise. If we had people actually paying their taxes, then the economy would start to balance out more and prices would be more stable instead of rising and dropping so suddenly.


It might look that way on the surface man, but these illegal immigrants' pay checks are still getting taxed all the same. These are checks remember, not cash. Companes like Walmart don't pay ANYBODY under the table, and neither do the unionized assembely plants, your local distribution center or the us govt. Pretty much, no business that's paying you with a check instead of cash.

Illegal immigrants are still getting taxed on top of that when they go to cash their checks, since they can't open bank accounts. The check cashing joint gets taxed and passes that right along.

also, remember the old business adage "a penny saved is a penny earned", and they're saving billions more than the hundred-millions thats slipping through the cracks.

Valerie 04-10-06 09:34 PM

I think they should stay here.

Compose 04-10-06 09:45 PM

yea like apexx said they are getting taxed, when i worked with them we all got the same checks and you got the normal government taxes automatically deducted from them they work on the books

Crazy Hades 04-10-06 10:34 PM

To all of the sympathetizers of the illegal immigrants...there are those looking for a better life...and then, there are the diseased and the criminals that pass through. There are those that are unable to get jobs, and end up crawling around in the streets of random neighborhoods and sleep in doghouses. Will the diseased be treated? Unlikely. Will the criminals commit crimes? Likely. The good comes with the bad, but Mexico needs to deal with its own economy and stop thrusting its sick and poor across the border. Will the people that pass through even get a better education? Doubtful...if they do, they probably won't speak good English either...and thus they won't be entitled to do anything but force Americans to learn Spanish in the bordering states...that's like me walking into your house and demanding you convert to my religion.

Still, there are those that deserve a better life...may as well friggin' fuse America and Mexico into Americo. Maybe if the whole little Iraq business is taken care of, we'll get a president willing to help out Mexico with its problems...and get at the source of the issue, instead of deporting those that'll probably come right back.

Sean Gunner 04-10-06 10:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Apexx
It might look that way on the surface man, but these illegal immigrants' pay checks are still getting taxed all the same. These are checks remember, not cash. Companes like Walmart don't pay ANYBODY under the table, and neither do the unionized assembely plants, your local distribution center or the us govt. Pretty much, no business that's paying you with a check instead of cash.

Illegal immigrants are still getting taxed on top of that when they go to cash their checks, since they can't open bank accounts. The check cashing joint gets taxed and passes that right along.

also, remember the old business adage "a penny saved is a penny earned", and they're saving billions more than the hundred-millions thats slipping through the cracks.


They don't get 'taxed', they get money withheld which then stays in the hands of the business they work for. They business doesn't have to pay taxes on that money because the government doesn't know it exists, we make so much money they lose track of it all.

I'm just sick of the smoochers that just live off of America and then go back to their own country with our money.

∆ P E X X 04-10-06 10:49 PM

why bash mexicans for coming across the border when america stole california and texas from mexicans? :nono:

America is the last place that should be trying to keep ANYBODy out of ANYWHERE...when the entire country was stolen!! lol


bTW man, sick or not, criminal or not, your govt still finds it "worth it" to not come down on that because them and you save rediculous amounts of money.

Put it this way, if it weren't for workforces supplied by ilegal immigration, Bush would be facing riots in the streets form everyone protesting the insanely rediculous cost of living in the US. we already pay through the nose for gas, imagine paying 3x more for the food you ate today and the drinks you drank.

Take the good with the bad. The borders will NEVER close, simply because they can't and still keep peace.

∆ P E X X 04-10-06 10:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Gone
They don't get 'taxed', they get money withheld which then stays in the hands of the business they work for. They business doesn't have to pay taxes on that money because the government doesn't know it exists, we make so much money they lose track of it all.

I'm just sick of the smoochers that just live off of America and then go back to their own country with our money.



nope. Their payhcecks have deductions like medicaid, 401k, social security and state tax, just like everyone elses pay check. Companies don't and can't keep that since they'd get audited out the ass for all the unclaimed profits.

I don't care how powerful the company is, they're still the IRS's bitch. The same immigrants still pay taxes on their daily purchases, just liek everybody else does, and the govt LOVES another tax paying citizen.

believe me man, financially speaking, there's not one single loss for anyone involved. The govt relies on this type of activity to make money. They don't care if its illegal, so imigration reform of any type will ALWAYS come slowly.

Crazy Hades 04-10-06 10:54 PM

Ayo...word. Watch Bush install like a hundred foot high electric fence along the border to keep out immigrants and have it cost more than actually helping Mexico's fucked up economy.


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