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∆ P E X X 05-25-06 01:40 AM

lmao hold up hold up, what's everybody arguin over?

none of the big corporations you're tlaking aboute "WHITE PEOPLE" owning or it or "BLACK PEOPLE" owning it these shits are owned by boards like 22 deep who are all big investors. there's no one "black guy" or "white guy" that owns any of em. Black or White don't matter in that instance, it's gonna be who ever's all on the inside circle and how ever they got there is some other shit.

now to say a "black guy" should do it would mean one guy doing all that investing and moving on his own which is impossible, so you'd really mean a "black board of directors" which is where the $$$$ comes from.

to get an all black board of investors to all go in to say even....what...take over a label to say a black guy did it?


nah.


Go all in on a new label? That's Rocafella (pre-split rocafella), that's Dame Dash (one man show), that's Diplomat Records, hmm..Bad Boy..*yawn this is getting tedious*...Violator...G-Unit Records... Aftermath, Ruff Riders, and on and on and on.

been there done that. :)

Indeph 05-25-06 01:46 AM

Wtf @ all the ignorant bullshit said in this thread. I'm not even gonna start. Responding to all the stupidity would cause massive bloodloss when they would ignore most of what I said. Then zero in on the one point they can twist and throw at me regardless if its relevant to the point im trying to make. So I'm just gonna say, the KKK are completly justified by what they did. :thumbup: :bored:

Key... 05-25-06 10:48 AM

Did i started a racial conflict?

c'mon sons...we all know whites controll the industry yes.....

but the question will be for how long ...lol

Mad Dog 05-25-06 10:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Apexx
lmao hold up hold up, what's everybody arguin over?

none of the big corporations you're tlaking aboute "WHITE PEOPLE" owning or it or "BLACK PEOPLE" owning it these shits are owned by boards like 22 deep who are all big investors. there's no one "black guy" or "white guy" that owns any of em. Black or White don't matter in that instance, it's gonna be who ever's all on the inside circle and how ever they got there is some other shit.

now to say a "black guy" should do it would mean one guy doing all that investing and moving on his own which is impossible, so you'd really mean a "black board of directors" which is where the $$$$ comes from.

to get an all black board of investors to all go in to say even....what...take over a label to say a black guy did it?


nah.


Go all in on a new label? That's Rocafella (pre-split rocafella), that's Dame Dash (one man show), that's Diplomat Records, hmm..Bad Boy..*yawn this is getting tedious*...Violator...G-Unit Records... Aftermath, Ruff Riders, and on and on and on.

been there done that. :)


thank friggity fuck Apexx

La Cosa Nostra 05-25-06 09:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Key...
Did i started a racial conflict?

c'mon sons...we all know whites controll the industry yes.....

but the question will be for how long ...lol

This is what I cant stand..

You say 'whites controll the industry'...............as if all white people are in on this taking a cut and telling everyone what to do..


Bro... Its the CEO's, reguardless of color that control rap.

I mean shit, if we were running a mile long race and 3 or 4 white guys won while everyone else (black and white) all were lagging behind... Would you sit here and complain about the entire white race over that too?

La Cosa Nostra 05-25-06 10:07 PM

Better yet.

What would you do if some suit wearing, university graduating, well spoken politicion discourse using black people started to run rap.

Theyd probably do the exact same job as the white guys are doing now.

They'd just have a different skin color.

Would that be ok for you then?

Indeph 05-25-06 10:14 PM

Well, I don't really have the energy to explain..


But of course white people have more money, and when hip hop started off they went to white labels (which was most of the labels out then). So its not exactly all white people, but since most of the country is white, white people will sell more. And white people have always been richer in America so they'll most likely own the labels. Dunno if I'm making any sense, its not like theres soem secret cult out there for all white ppl wanting labels. It's just how shit is. It's not really something to be debated. I don't see why white people have a problem with admitting the extra boost they'll get. OF COURSE I KNOW NOT ALL WHITE PEOPLE WILL GET THE BOOST, just you know... but black people wouldn't run it any different, it's just the money.

locknes 05-25-06 10:22 PM

there are whites who run the labels because 61% of the country is white
while blacks only make 12% obviousl they are going to run shit you dum ass

locknes 05-25-06 10:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Indeph
Well, I don't really have the energy to explain..


But of course white people have more money, and when hip hop started off they went to white labels (which was most of the labels out then). So its not exactly all white people, but since most of the country is white, white people will sell more. And white people have always been richer in America so they'll most likely own the labels. Dunno if I'm making any sense, its not like theres soem secret cult out there for all white ppl wanting labels. It's just how shit is. It's not really something to be debated. I don't see why white people have a problem with admitting the extra boost they'll get. OF COURSE I KNOW NOT ALL WHITE PEOPLE WILL GET THE BOOST, just you know... but black people wouldn't run it any different, it's just the money.

actualy the largest percent of people who are poor are white

Indeph 05-25-06 10:27 PM

The majority of people who are rich are white too.

locknes 05-25-06 10:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Indeph
The majority of people who are rich are white too.

yes true i was correcting you cause you made it seem like blacks where the poorest race

Indeph 05-25-06 10:36 PM

Well my neighborhood is poor and I'm black. Most black people in this country are poor. And I dont think you can count the numbers, its a matter of percentage. Theres not alot of black people in the country, theres like 12% black ppl. And most of them are poor so they're the poorest race.

locknes 05-25-06 10:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Indeph
Well my neighborhood is poor and I'm black. Most black people in this country are poor. And I dont think you can count the numbers, its a matter of percentage. Theres not alot of black people in the country, theres like 12% black ppl. And most of them are poor so they're the poorest race.

they arn't they are most are semi middle class and ive got the percentage
see most of the white people are poor they have the highest percentage

Shear Kaughn 05-25-06 11:09 PM

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Originally Posted by locknes
they arn't they are most are semi middle class and ive got the percentage
see most of the white people are poor they have the highest percentage


yes...white people have the highest percentage of poor people......not black

Key... 05-26-06 12:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Nostradamus
This is what I cant stand..

You say 'whites controll the industry'...............as if all white people are in on this taking a cut and telling everyone what to do..


Bro... Its the CEO's, reguardless of color that control rap.

I mean shit, if we were running a mile long race and 3 or 4 white guys won while everyone else (black and white) all were lagging behind... Would you sit here and complain about the entire white race over that too?



Listen brothaman...what i am preachin on is that White men has always dominated am speaking all the way from the Indian to slavery...etc White supremacy still continues not as the same form as it use to but just a little twist for example government is majority is controlled by white. and am not sayin entire white race is but the facts of the mather is when people say fried chicken people stereotype it with blacks even though the maker of fried rice is white...another example is Wellfare no one points out that most well fare takers are white midle class single mothers!! etc.

La Cosa Nostra 05-26-06 05:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Key...
Listen brothaman...what i am preachin on is that White men has always dominated am speaking all the way from the Indian to slavery...etc White supremacy still continues not as the same form as it use to but just a little twist for example government is majority is controlled by white. and am not sayin entire white race is but the facts of the mather is when people say fried chicken people stereotype it with blacks even though the maker of fried rice is white...another example is Wellfare no one points out that most well fare takers are white midle class single mothers!! etc.

And so?

I think its merely a matter of first in best dressed...

While our cultures were expanding and taking over, your cultures were chilling back in stone age nomadic tribes.. Thats the difference...

Sure you can say its fucked up, but at the end of the day the white nation is doing its best to give other races (blacks, hispanics, etc) a chance, but there will always be that "we got here first" type vibe... And thats just life...

Its not even politically correct what I'm saying right now.. Its just the cold hard facts.. Take it for what you will...

Indeph 05-26-06 05:25 AM

Rofl white people didnt get anywhere 1st but around europe. White people in America at least are like robbers breaking into people's houses and actually living there. Then having the NERVE to complain about people not washing dishes. And the white nation is NOT "giving people a chance" it's actually doing the exact opposite. Do you have ANY idea why the other nations are poor in the 1st place? They've done alot more harm to the human race than you're saying. It's not just politcally incorrect its just completly wrong, but you being white I dont expect you to ever say that.

Mad Dog 05-26-06 05:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Indeph
Rofl white people didnt get anywhere 1st but around europe. White people in America at least are like robbers breaking into people's houses and actually living there. Then having the NERVE to complain about people not washing dishes. And the white nation is NOT "giving people a chance" it's actually doing the exact opposite. Do you have ANY idea why the other nations are poor in the 1st place? They've done alot more harm to the human race than you're saying. It's not just politcally incorrect its just completly wrong, but you being white I dont expect you to ever say that.


it'd be exactly the same if black people "dominated"...because people gotta realise that humans are humans fuck skin colour...omg...

shit we should all be skinned @ birth then we'd have nothing to be racist about

Indeph 05-26-06 05:37 AM

That didnt really make sense. Of course it would be the same if black people did what white people did, but.... we didnt. How do you know black people as a race would do something like that. Its just seen completly different from a black persons perspective since we're directly affected by it. I wish race didnt matter either, but the fact that you quoted what I wrote and didnt say shit about Nos's post which was so completly amasing, shows SOMETHING. You can't even lie.

La Cosa Nostra 05-26-06 05:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Indeph
Rofl white people didnt get anywhere 1st but around europe. White people in America at least are like robbers breaking into people's houses and actually living there. Then having the NERVE to complain about people not washing dishes. And the white nation is NOT "giving people a chance" it's actually doing the exact opposite. Do you have ANY idea why the other nations are poor in the 1st place? They've done alot more harm to the human race than you're saying. It's not just politcally incorrect its just completly wrong, but you being white I dont expect you to ever say that.

If you were white, you wouldnt have a chip on your shoulder either...

Where your philosophy is wrong though is when you realise not all white people are benefitting off the few... Really were all just in the same mess, with different skin colors....

Indeph 05-26-06 05:41 AM

I've said plenty of times in my previous posts that not all white people benefit. How is ok to group all white people together to lets say, benefit all the minorities. You can group them together when they're inventing medicines and inventions. You can group them together whenever minorities fuck up, but when they do something evil all of a sudden its not everybody. I dont really understand.

La Cosa Nostra 05-26-06 05:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Indeph
I've said plenty of times in my previous posts that not all white people benefit. How is ok to group all white people together to lets say, benefit all the minorities. You can group them together when they're inventing medicines and inventions. You can group them together whenever minorities fuck up, but when they do something evil all of a sudden its not everybody. I dont really understand.

Becuse its arguing for different things..

When you ask what white people as a whole have brought to this world... Then fuck yeah..

But it still doesent mean I go and control the cats that are say...running hip hop just cause their white. They do things on their own preogative...

And if they do something really dope, I'll be like......yeah mad cunt, cause it makes me proud that another white dude is doing something really dope..

You cant hate on that...

Mad Dog 05-26-06 05:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Indeph
That didnt really make sense. Of course it would be the same if black people did what white people did, but.... we didnt. How do you know black people as a race would do something like that. Its just seen completly different from a black persons perspective since we're directly affected by it. I wish race didnt matter either, but the fact that you quoted what I wrote and didnt say shit about Nos's post which was so completly amasing, shows SOMETHING. You can't even lie.


honestly...i didn't even read Nos' post...and im a person who don't look at skin colour because i'm not running anything i'm white and ima fucking victim to the system as well...

"black" people can come to the Country where i was born and get entitled to more shit than me not have to pay taxes but do i complain @ them...NO...i moan because the government allows it i look @ the bigger picture...ima person who doesn't see "white people" dominating or whatever because it's still an arsehole that runs things regardless of colour and when people realise that then this world should perhaps understand where I am coming from...

people DO need to see how pathetic and how much of a joke racism is...i mean it's like adults still acting like a bunch of 5 year olds...because they no comprehension of decent vocabulary...so DON'T tell me that the "white man" runs shit coz we're ALL victims at the end of the day....

Indeph 05-26-06 05:51 AM

Having pride in your race is one thing, but if you claim superiority while taking credit for the success of the white race as a whole.... thats when I get defensive. If you can take credit for the race for good you should be able to take credit for the bad. I have NEVER once said black people are better than any race, but I have seen alot of white people are better than everybody posts. And when people try to claim superiority over me due to a skin color's success, I'm definetly gonna throw out some faults.

Indeph 05-26-06 05:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Mad Dog
honestly...i didn't even read Nos' post...and im a person who don't look at skin colour because i'm not running anything i'm white and ima fucking victim to the system as well...

"black" people can come to the Country where i was born and get entitled to more shit than me not have to pay taxes but do i complain @ them...NO...i moan because the government allows it i look @ the bigger picture...ima person who doesn't see "white people" dominating or whatever because it's still an arsehole that runs things regardless of colour and when people realise that then this world should perhaps understand where I am coming from...

people DO need to see how pathetic and how much of a joke racism is...i mean it's like adults still acting like a bunch of 5 year olds...because they no comprehension of decent vocabulary...so DON'T tell me that the "white man" runs shit coz we're ALL victims at the end of the day....



It must be TOTALLY different in your country. Over here, race definetly plays a major role. Theres a shitload of problems that will face me everyday that white people will never have to experience. I hate saying that because it sounds so harsh that white people never believe it. Because it's unfuckinbelievable. And it's been said over and over again to the point where people just pretend it isnt going on. The way that the society has been setup, anyone can over come it, but of course minorities are gonna have to fight alot harder. Take africa for example: most of the black people in the entire land of Africa had to FIGHT for the right to vote. The white countries come in and take crops, they raise the price of life and now everyone in those countries are poor. I'm sure you know the situation in America, eh I'ma stop bitching, I just hate when people make this shit seem like nothing, when they're not even directly effected by it.

Mad Dog 05-26-06 07:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Indeph
It must be TOTALLY different in your country. Over here, race definetly plays a major role. Theres a shitload of problems that will face me everyday that white people will never have to experience. I hate saying that because it sounds so harsh that white people never believe it. Because it's unfuckinbelievable. And it's been said over and over again to the point where people just pretend it isnt going on. The way that the society has been setup, anyone can over come it, but of course minorities are gonna have to fight alot harder. Take africa for example: most of the black people in the entire land of Africa had to FIGHT for the right to vote. The white countries come in and take crops, they raise the price of life and now everyone in those countries are poor. I'm sure you know the situation in America, eh I'ma stop bitching, I just hate when people make this shit seem like nothing, when they're not even directly effected by it.


bro racism is the same all over the world America aren't a special case...i know what you mean and i totally agree black individuals will go through racist encounters a lot more than white people which is a fair statement...but thing is people have racially slurred my "light skin" but thing is i chose not to acknowledge it coz personally people who insult my skin colour are people who are no better than people who insult my mother...their ALL jokes...racism in the black community is more noticable ONLY because of the history behind it...whereas white people never experienced slavery...YOU didn't...

people like MLK & Malcom X spoke out and eventually died for equal rights...you think they'd want people today still complaining over ish that happened 100's of years ago...they fought for equal rights so that people could move on from the past...

and i may be white...but i do have a right to speak about them coz them 2 were amazing people...i hate the idea of slavery and people being hated on jus because of colour...

∆ P E X X 05-26-06 03:39 PM

*flushes this thread down the toilet.

race arguments on here go from one half-educated person trying to educate another half-educated person and both of them are missin the big picture.

Mentor 05-26-06 04:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Mad Dog
bro racism is the same all over the world America aren't a special case...i know what you mean and i totally agree black individuals will go through racist encounters a lot more than white people which is a fair statement...but thing is people have racially slurred my "light skin" but thing is i chose not to acknowledge it coz personally people who insult my skin colour are people who are no better than people who insult my mother...their ALL jokes...racism in the black community is more noticable ONLY because of the history behind it...whereas white people never experienced slavery...YOU didn't...

people like MLK & Malcom X spoke out and eventually died for equal rights...you think they'd want people today still complaining over ish that happened 100's of years ago...they fought for equal rights so that people could move on from the past...

and i may be white...but i do have a right to speak about them coz them 2 were amazing people...i hate the idea of slavery and people being hated on jus because of colour...


i agree wit most of that but he wasnt really talkin bout slavery...i mean africa STILL is bein robbed of their shit...i heard stories on oprah on where like i frgot which countries soldiers but soldiers terrorlizes blacks there everyday..they was tellin a story that happened no longer than 2 years ago where they tied a black woman up and strectched the shit out of her from her arms and legs with a rope and RIPPED out her pubic hair while laughing in her face and forced her kid ta slit her own throat...u sayin racist ass shit only happened 100 years ago??? slavery in america ended a 100 years ago..
but unbelievable racist ass shit is still goin on...i aint just talkin bout racist jokes friends say to each other cuz they think that bullshit is funny but im talkin bout REAL racism...i've witnessed real racism in my own neighborhood countless times...nobody is complainin...the same shit malcom x and all them was talkin bout HASNT CHANGED....if ya'll was willin ta make a change ya'll wouldnt of blasted malcolm x away in the first place....whats even more unbelievable is that malcom x's killers were black...why would u kill somebody tryin ta defend ur own race that doesnt make sense to me

Tha Q. 05-26-06 04:31 PM

wow @ people talking about Malcolm X and not realizing what he stood for. Malcolm X and Martin Luther King both wanted to improve conditions for blacks, yes. But, their approaches were vastly different. Malcolm X was more about the empowerment of black people to defend themselves and stand up for their rights "By Any Means Necessary." Martin Luther King adopted the philosophies of Ghandi and Jesus--i.e., turn the other cheek. Racism is not a joke people. Racism is what would cause someone to bomb a church and kill 4 innocent little girls. Spike Lee made a poignant movie about that. Racism is what would cause someone to drag a black man behind a truck until his head detached from his shoulders.

That is NOT a joke.

P.S. That latter incident happened in the 1990s.



Let's get it together people.

locknes 05-26-06 10:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Tha Q.
wow @ people talking about Malcolm X and not realizing what he stood for. Malcolm X and Martin Luther King both wanted to improve conditions for blacks, yes. But, their approaches were vastly different. Malcolm X was more about the empowerment of black people to defend themselves and stand up for their rights "By Any Means Necessary." Martin Luther King adopted the philosophies of Ghandi and Jesus--i.e., turn the other cheek. Racism is not a joke people. Racism is what would cause someone to bomb a church and kill 4 innocent little girls. Spike Lee made a poignant movie about that. Racism is what would cause someone to drag a black man behind a truck until his head detached from his shoulders.

That is NOT a joke.

P.S. That latter incident happened in the 1990s.



Let's get it together people.
i have been a vitcim of racism ive been attack by white people and refused job i dont think racism will ever die but it will dimish in through every generation


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