I think thats a question you should be asking yourself.

I'd ask myself, but I wasn't the one saying it. So please, inform me of how I'm not black, because I can't wait to crush you.

Please show me where it says Satan was given temporary and limited control of Earth in the Bible.

theres many references where God has allowed that. read Job, but mainly he doesnt rule "The Earth" but people of the earth who choose their will over God's,thus controlling all the life situations you posted and even africa's poverty.

you have free will and God knows that, he just also knows what you're going to CHOOSE to do. that doesn't mean you don't have freewill. you can still make a different choice, he just knows you will. what you're talking about is pre-determination, which in my opinion is a basic Philosophy misunderstandment.

Bold = God created it...which is my theory...he CREATED EVERYTHING that we see/don't see...

it's a false sense of free will because we're making choices we've already been destined to make

lol werd I seen it related to what we was talkin about so I decided to say it

What the fuck is taking Apexx and Terumoto so long to post in here? Hurry the shit up, bruhs.

thats who I was actually waitin for
:-)

not true.

You know how amazingly simple this is to figure out? Check it. Because if God were to keep every single person from dieing and suffering, the world would over populate and there'd be no room for anyone to live. Then you can argue "well why doesn’t he keep everyone alive and not suffering and then make the world larger?" Cuz if he did that then wtf is the point of heaven? Heaven is the paradise we go to for all of eternity and the space is unlimited right? Ok, but then if Christians say God loves and forgives all of his children why is it that the Christian religion states only Christians who accept Jesus into their heart will go to heaven? As if it's someone’s fault for being born Muslim and raised to believe differently. If you going to give freewill don't send people to hell for turning out evil just cuz society made them like that. There's unlimited space in heaven right? The whole concept of the bible is just stupid as fuck, I’m sorry, but it is. That's why I hate you ignorant fucking retards believing in RELIGION. You can believe in god, but not in religion. All religion does is try to give a personality to God, who's to say what god is? I believe in God but I don't believe in the fucking image man gave him. Man has no right to stereotype what God is, that's disrespectful man lmao. Maybe God is a science that brought us here; maybe God is energy, who knows? Maybe he is some spiritual being, maybe God is a sick fuck who created this world just to watch and laugh at us while we destroy ourselves. I mean he's alive for eternity, god can't perish, and he must get bored. Just cuz religion labels him as a kind loving man doesn’t make it true. People say a lot of things. You need to stop assuming that there's either a loving caring god, or there's no god at all and that's it. You need to accept the fact that God might be a piece of shit, laughing at us right now while we die. But of course you won't accept this as a possibility cuz who wants to think of God like that? That’s why everyone thinks there's a heaven and it's all fine and dandy, it's to give them something to live for, it's hope, maybe it's false hope, maybe it's not.

Fuck it, straight up, no matter what you say you can't prove or discredit anything in the bible, and arguing won't do anything and won't change the world. Wow k ima stop I can't even get into this, I could type a million words and still have more to say. The possibilities of life and what not are just endless.

On another note, why is it that kids always pull out their big vocab and start using words in their proper context only for subjects like this, or arguments?

"We need to think epistemologically about this. Personally I take an existentialists point of view on the world, and I think the subjective conclusion that the bible has made about God is blasphemy."

Then in a different thread they be like: "LMFAO word up yo that shitz was strigaight out dah ghutta!"

Cracks me up every time.

"Oh no a mature subject gotta change my dialect!"

:thefinger

Amen!.............

nah, seeing as the bible says EVERYONE will hear the gospel, its their choice to decide to accept it or not, but i do agree on the image he has been put with, that right there is wack..

word, jtr
i wanna sex your fingers for typin that up

man there's literally 1000's of questions you can ask that would have someone's brain caving in.

people don't like when you ahnialate the foundation they base their reality on son. and lies break easy so, you do the math where that discussions going.

^^ I'd take your side. But nothing is wrong just because you say it's wrong. Wether you'd like to believe it or not there's someone in this world who can present an arguemant better then you. He can discredit what you say, and make it seem as if what he's talking about is 100% right. But that dosn't make him right, that dosn't proove anything, and all it means is that he can argue better then you. That's why I say fuck laws. Something isn't wrong just because you say it's wrong, and others agree. That's why there's no fucking point in arguing something like THIS. I just fucking hate it when people waste their time with shit like this.

Bro...I would answer all your questions. But, I'm under the impression that you want more than surface answers. So, typing answers on a message board to these thought provoking questions wouldn't do them justice. Also, you can begin to understand God better by reading the bible. I would recommend starting with the book of Genesis...Then, read the book of Proverbs. In the New Testament, read the Gospel of John.

If you want to know the truth, get at me on aim.


PS. I'm assuming you're referring to Christianity. In which case, why are you waiting for people who aren't Christians to "solve your problems"? I think that's your main issue right there. Hit me up or even Past Tense. Implicit also knows alot about the bible. Don't be deceived bro. There are people here who SEEM to know what the bible says but are actually peddling new-age philosophies and false-doctrine.

It's up to you though. Act accordingly.


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Live and let live. If you don't wanna believe in God then don't. If you do then do it. If you wanna be Christian be Christian. You wanna be Muslim be Muslim. You wanna rape lil girls and kill people do it. Call me pessimistic, negative, sick in the head. You live, you die, you make no differance. And even if you make a differance in the world you make no differance in the Universe. And if you make a differance in the Universe (hypothetically considering it's possible) so fucking what? What did you do, make the Universe better or worse for the billions of other people who mean nothing to the billions of other people. Fuck charity. People die, people are poor, it's sad. Stop dwelling on it, and go out and do something with your fucking life. Mehh, i'm too pissed off to even make a decent arguemant with what i'm trying to say. Wtvvvvvvvv

Fuck it, give money to charity if you want. It's a nice thing to do. I just get too mad and lose my head and get confused. I mean that right there was my opinion but it's not my opinion. Hard to explain. The world is just too confusing, and trying to solve the problems of the world are only gonna make them harder to solve. Ya im just gonna stop typing im going nowhere with this. Go on with your pathetic arguemants and trying to prove people wrong but ultimately doing nothing. Go on...

oh yeah, also bear in mind, people don't like to look like they've been tricked. to the point that they'll continue to lie to themselves to believe something false is true, JUST to avoid their own selfinduced guilt and shame of suscribing to being tricked.

ive learned a lot since my confirmation teacher screamed and cursed at me man. i couldn't believe someone could come to tears over open ended questions that don't attack them what so ever. but in reality in my search for information, highlighting all these inconsistencies that confused me, i was spreading apart huse gulfs in my teacher's own beliefs. she was borderline on a breakdown and shared with me that her "be-lie-fs" are what tricked her into being happy after she was raped by an uncle as a child. she liked to believe that there was some cosmic justice out there for the persons that wronged her and that they didn't just get away with it, and it really appeased her to believe it. religion is a victims disease. something to help them find comfort in powerlessness.

so, i stopped piercing her with those painful javelins called questions and seeked information my self. by gaining knowledge and coming to painful i'm-not-a-victim realizations i armed my self with true power and became the god that your "god" says i am.

Zone...are you talking about Christianity?

That's all I wanna know.






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in truth God doesnt say were Gods or even little g gods, thats the mormons. i've also studied
many "be-lie-fs", but confirmation, thats catholic, sorry to say they do not follow scripture but actually go against it in many ways. but meh

its cool your trying to help him find the truth, but dude
was basically asking how to prove the christian faith wrong...

^^^^Mormonism is a cult...and Catholicism is close to being a cult...


But, God says "I will share my glory with no other." So, this notion of calling people anything other than the sinners we are is silly.


Is there anyone here who actually knows the bible? I'm not talking about what you heard...Im talking about what you've read, studied, meditated on, cross-referenced, and experienced?


I'm amped for a discussion.




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Oh okay...that explains it then...I wasn't sure if he was asking for clarity on the bible or the notion of a "higher power"...


So, he's beckoning the right people for help then.






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Exactly, you wonder why religions have extremists (not YOU, just “you” as in a general person) it's because people need religion to be happy and live their life. So anything that tries to discredit their religion is taken as a personal attack to their humanity. That's why people who strongly believe in religion get so damn touchy about it when you ask them questions. They need faith to feel like they actually have a purpose in life. They need it for a lot of different reasons. When you can learn to be independent and not have to rely on anything but your own self to make you happy and positive, that’s when you stop living a lie, that’s when everything becomes clearer, and that’s when you become a stronger person. I believe you can still do this and have faith in religion, but if your faith is all you depend on, and you’re tricking yourself into believing it can’t possibly be wrong and have flaws, you’re never going to be free.

i understand what your talking about, but when trying to convert those groups i dont
up and say "hey your part of that mormon cult, heard about my Jesus?"
oh and i do read the bible...

God didn't say that. Man wrote that God said that with the possibility of it potentially being true. Now proove that God said that, and I will kneel and pray.

i completely agree. just because you say its right doesn't mean it's right.

and there are somethings that are inaleiable. if you believe in a dichotomy, in that one thing opposes another, you're aleady fooled. to see one side, you only see half the story.

informaton is power, and power has no bias. the person who wields it, does.

Neither do I...Jesus had the best approach to witnessing to people...He wasn't weak...But, he only spoke to people who either:

A) Were willing to receive his teachings
B) People he warned


In either case, he did approach sincere people with love. But, the difference is, his teaching was based on the truth of the word, and not man-made doctrine.



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exactly, which a large portion of not only the U.S. but the world goes by
and its just sad...

I don't have to prove anything. Whether or not I or you believe in something doesn't detract from the fact it's true.

However, when I say, "God said..." I'm speaking from contextual evidence that God displays certain patterns and characteristics of his Personality. And, all throughout scripture, that's one common theme, that he is a Jealous God and will not tolerate Idolatry nor pride.

And, of course God didn't write that. A man did. God inspired him. God was too busy creating universes and saving souls. He leaves the "lil stuff" to us. We are the extension of his eyes, ears, hands, and feet. We are called to do God's work. But, there's more to this than what I'm giving you. You need milk. I'm trying to get you all to the point of being able to digest meat.




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Yet you still talk as if it's 100% true. If you're gonna argue. Argue knowing that there's a possibility that you might be completely wrong, but you believe you're right. Then I won't call you ignorant. Otherwise, you're basically telling me "i'm wrong, this is fact, and that's all there is too it"

The only time you should argue like you're 100% correct is when you have substantial evidence that you are indeed 100% correct.

And I know you can agree with that in someway.

Sorry to break your heart Q and Apexx, but ima call this girl up and stop posting in this thread. Awwww I know I know, it's not a party without Jack. But I might come back in and say something amazingly fucking cool later.

That's a moot point. Up until about 400 years ago, we "knew" that the earth was flat. It's obvious that there's a chance that human logic and represenation of an eternal God can be skewed. That doesn',t however, take away from the fact that God exists. And, again, whether or not I believe in something doesn't take away from the fact that it's true. As a matter of faith, choose what you will believe. But, every man has an innate "homing device" that God's given to nudge you to that fact. GOD IS REAL. People resist that. But, they know it's true. Those who choose to follow their logic realize they lack that fulfillment that only God can give. Thats why so many people turn to drugs and sex and everything elsefor comfort. They're attempting to fill a void only God can fill.


When it's your time to turn to God, you will. That's everyone. The bible says no man can come to come (accept him and walk in truth) unless God calls him first. We don't have the mind to otherwise.

im convinced you don't know what you're talking about. but then again, if you didnt' see something, how would you know it exists?

the bible states "ye are gods". in the bible, Jesus also states that he is not, nor is of, a man-like god, and all persons on this planet are capable of far greater things than he's ever done. Jesus was a Gnostic who learned under the wise Gamaliel before some members of a pagan cult called catholocism claimed he was theirs. that pagan cult stole the basic fundamental of an infinite and eternal conciousness that is everywher and nowhere, and that is the trait they gave to their "god" who in following with pagan practices, is man-like. gnostics don't endorse that what so ever, neither did jesus, neither did any of the apostles, yet christianity and catholocism claims them as followers of a religion that didnt' exist till AFTER they died.

this is how deep the trickery goes. its one of those things that's so obvious that when you observe it you go "wow, how didn't i see that before?".

You see what I fucking mean? Lmao.. seriously.