I have hated 50 cent for years now

even befor massacre

When he had those dope freestyles when he first came out i liked him, but hes been a gimmick ever since, give him a tophat and a cane, DANCE BITCH!

^^^^ exactly

couldnt agree more

I dont know bout this album, nothing new on it, still the old wack 50

kanyes was better........................ and u gotta give it to kanye simply for doing his own production....

Alrite. first off id like to say career wise 50cent > Kayne

anyday.

Get Rich Or Die Trying is easily top 5 sicked album in hiphop period.

so dont be go and dissing 50cent saying he never had skill.


and yeah, you kids are bringing up kayne's top songs and 50cents bad songs. like striaght to the bank is a bad song in my mind, i dunno.

and u gotta look at this songs tottaly differnet, 50cent does have some sick lines. he showed it on GROTD, if he wants too he can do it. but he into that club and dance songs these days.

i dunno, i just cant bump kayne in a car. shits to weak and makes me feel like a homo.

There is no way get rich or die trying is in the top 5 sickest hip hop albums, period, let alone "easily" being there.

I rather buy a 50 cent album before a Franchise boys, DFL, Lil bow wow, Romeo, master Peice...I prefer 50 cents music over alot of people. Fuck i prefer his album over Lil wayne. Wayne may be a better rapper but that is not saying much. 50 cent keeps me entertained with somewhat catchy lines. But he is a pebble compared to the stones set by other great mc's.

yep

everybody else was feeling him back when In Da Club dropped..but i didnt like him since then

Mr.West easily wins the 9/11 release battle :)


juss my 2 cents...

even though..... technology and money are strong comp goin into this in 50's favor... idk...

Check Sound Scan in a week or 2...


WOrld Peace


-Don Tito Bronsky

ur a emo. ur prolly putting scream rock before hiphop so u dont count.

^^ N your gay...so your putting dick before pussy....

teru's right...serb how in fucks name can you believe ANY 50 album is in the top 5...

has any of them raised the bar in hip hop...nope
has any of them influenced future great rappers....nope

you're just a rap fan you ain't a hip hop head period

I BOught Both Cd's AND id have to Say 50's album was way better.......kanye was a big dissapointment.....his other album was better....kanye gets no play in my car....theres not a song on it you can bump.....nuff sed....

fifty cents cd is way better than ye the whole thing is bumpable kanye is ego driven and is way to far outside the box a lil is good but he just overboar......go fitty

what?

what does that have to do with good music?

good music is good music.

why you hating on 50?

look at the old heads who were sick and suck now. do u judge them like you judge 50?

Nas, Jay, Eminem

they all suck bad now in hiphop, beacsue 50 isnt as good as he was before doesnt mean he isnt a good MC. beacasue a fact is get rich or Die tryin is to sick of a album and i havent heard anyone in real life say it was a bad album

You haven't heard anybody in real life say it was bad because you surround yourself with people who have a similar mindset to you. 50 cent is a decent artist at best. He was never extraordinary. Even back in his golden "how to rob" days he wasn't that great. Eminem was dope, and still his. He still has that potential, but it's obvious to anybody with half a brain that he is a good business man and is trying to make a living. He makes tracks based on what sells, and I don't blame him.

The difference between someone like eminem and someone like 50 is that while eminem has potential for greatness and is adapting to the industry to make money, 50 cent was never really that great, then he adapted to the industry to make money.

Popular music is generally not of a very high standard, and is kept afloat by money and demand that is created by the industry. People like what is popular, the industry chooses what's popular, then the people like it so the industry churns out more of the same. Once people are getting bored, the industry will try a different approach.

Just because an album sells over a million copies in the first week after its release, doesn't mean the album is actually any good. It just means that it was marketed well.

I would agree with you if you were saying something like get rich or die tryin is in the top 10 mainstream rap albums of the year it was released in... but spurting out bullshit like it's in the top 5 hip hop albums of all time is just completely wrong. Of all time? That includes every underground hip hop and mainstream hip hop album that was released since like the 70s.

There is no way a semi-mediocre artist like 50 cent is in the top 5. Or even the top 500.



I didn't know what I was, but thanks man, now I know for sure because some kid with terrible taste in music decided that I was an emo who liked screaming rock music.

My top 5

Jadakiss
Andre 3000
Kanye
Nas
Dmx <- Before the 5 house raids and the smoking crack

lmao!!!. nas jay and em are better now, than 50 was in his prime. if u think about it GRODT was 50s best album but even on there he only had a few good lines. and y'all r so used to 50 being wack till any little okay line he says y'all hype it but other rappers say better stuff all the time. kanye is better just cuz he talks about relatable topics other than (guns,money,and them wack a$$ed love songs) and dont get me wrong cuz i like love songs but them s***s he do is garbage. candy shop and amusement park are trash compared to joints like ti's lets get away, jarule'smesmerized etc. the point is that everything 50 does, theres a lot of underrated people who do it a lot better but for some reason 50 just gets all the credit.

cd still sucks big fat dick

lol @ people paying so much damn attention to him.


If you don't like him DONT pay attention to them. That's normally how it works

you guys are to funny.

you guys dont know anything, go outside for once in ur life.

i feel like a loser just talking to you guys for 10seconds.



and term u dont know what good music is, ur a little anime dork.
and pfftt @ talking about underground, nothing underground can be better than the mainstream rappers. nothing, underground rappers are one hit hitters or nerd rap.

look @ all the top dogs, none are underground. they all start off underground but people who stay there just suck.

and I dont find any 70's album great, or most of the 80's. so i dunt even know why you naming those.

Kanye's mediocrely un-fire album out-did 50 cent's. shut the fuck up's are in order.

I'm saying that musically, 90% of mainstream rap is terrible. It would take about half an hour to make a club beat that would top the charts instantly, 60 seconds to write the lyrics to go with it, and five minutes to think up the idiotic dance for people to do to it.

You obviously have no idea what you're talking about. The mainstream music industry is just that, it's an INDUSTRY. A business. They don't give a shit about music, they want your money. The money of little kids that don't think, that will buy into whatever image they push.

Saying that underground can't be better than mainstream doesn't make sense. It's mass production, they churn out money making tracks because they are a money making business. They don't have the patience to try to make good music.

Think of it like this. A big furniture company might make tens of thousands of chairs a day in a factory. People buy the chairs because they are marketed well and made readily available. An old carpenter running a small business will never, ever be as successful as the big furniture company... but he sure as fuck can make good quality chairs. It's his life, it's what he does, he puts his heart and soul into every single chair he makes.

So are you telling me that just because a musician isn't making millions of dollars, they suck? Yeah, there are underground rappers that aren't successful because they suck at rapping, but there's also underground rappers that aren't successful because what they are doing is their life, they put their heart and soul into every track they make, it's their music, and there is no way in hell they are going to change their image and content just for the sake of making money.

I know I'm not going to get through to you... You're too far in. People like you listen to and love the music they are told to listen to and love. You have never ever listened to music in your life, you don't know anything about it. That's something you should accept.

You thinking you know about music is like somebody thinking they know all there is to know about food after eating everything on the McDonald's menu. There is a whole world of music out there that you aren't even aware of. Mainstream rap, even the entire mainstream music scene is a drop in the ocean compared the the vast amount of music there is in the world.

So don't go thinking your opinion on music is even worth considering when you, like all of your friends, and millions of other people, are nothing but little bitches playing into the hands of some record company's CEO.

^^that pretty much sums up everything i was thinking :thumbup:

^^^^^^AGREES.....well said......

^^ too much shit agree'd, but anything against Serb is well stated

Fuck all this wack shit

thats gay

but serb is a fag

buddy, ur a fucking moron. hahahahhaha

dude i never listened to fucking music in my life? thats the arugment you come up with? and buddy you dont even know the difference between commerical hiphop and mainstream. so that blantly shows you dont know shit.


Commerical is the thing you named, about they just making a club beat/talking about pointless shit.

Mainstream is hiphop, thats popular to the public. beacasue its liked by majority doesnt mean its shitty, maybe its not ur style. i can already tell ur one of the nerd rap fans. but still

mainstream > underground

and i agree underground > commerical

and yeah mainsteam does go into commerical tracks time to time, but those usally one hit hitters.

its really funny though people like you, who think beacasue they listen to underground that they are to good for anything. yeah ur the all knowing god of hiphop yo, ur making music ur hardest and not even selling, and selling records isnt even about "CEO labelling or w/e" a GOOD song, is liked by everyone and people dont go and no buy it beacasue its not a label they like.


but since u think underground is better than mainstream, lets name a few heads?



Mainstream -

Tupac
biggie
Big Pun
Eminem
Game
Lil wayne
Wu tang Clan

the list could go on forever.

I would like to see the GREAT underground cats ur gonna name

I can only think a few that Were GREAT

Canibus
Pharoh

thats about it for GREAT underground cats.

whats ur point?

the sales are close and its not over.

as world wide hasnt started yet, after world wide we will see.

both albums were dope though in my mind. both came with their own style.

Mainstream is mainstream... That's all there is to it. Half of the people on your list are not mainstream anymore. They were in their time, but now they aren't. Tupac? Biggie? Wu Tang? I love those artists as much as the next guy, but they sure as fuck aren't mainstream. Mainstream is what is in the mainstream RIGHT NOW, not what was in there 10 years ago.

I barely ever listen to underground rap. I don't produce rap music, except for when I sometimes make beats. And with all that stuff you were going on about to do with "CEO labelling" or whatever, you completely misunderstood what I said to you in my last post. I'm not going to tell you again, because it's something that I don't think you will understand.

I stand by what I said... You know next to nothing about music. The fact that when I said that to you, you took "music" to mean only rap music proves my point. If you broadened your musical horizons, you would start to get a sense of what is good music and what isn't. This has nothing to do with whether people like the music or not. It's something factual, objective, good music has certain elements and is put together in a certain way, it is of a high quality.

Music overall is up to personal taste, which can't be argued with, but that doesn't mean the music people like is good music. What if you met a guy whose favorite song was some shitty kick drum sound over and over again with a recording of a man yelling over the top of it. You'd be like, "hey man, that music is fucking stupid. It's terrible, it's not even music..." and he would say to you, "fuck you, I love this music." Just because he likes it, doesn't make it a good song musically.

It's the same with someone like 50 cent. Factually, there is nothing special about the music he makes. He is an average artist who happens to have a marketable image that is marketed well. The fact of the matter is he is average, he makes average music. Compared to someone like Tupac who had an extraordinary style, 50 cent is nothing. It's the same in any genre. There are a lot of electro producers that make average songs that sell well... It doesn't mean the music is actually good. On the other hand you've got groups like Daft Punk, who are geniuses in their field. They can make GOOD music, good as in of a high quality, put together skillfully, creative, not the same shit with a different smell.

You don't have to like a song to realize that it's good. You don't have to like rock music to realize that led zeppelin are talented, you don't need to like classical music to realize that Chopin is a good composer... I'm telling you that you don't know anything about music. You go around thinking that the music you like is the most amazing music in the world just because it happens to be the style of music you enjoy.

T, why do you even talk to Serb? its like running around after your shadow....

Sounds like fun.

^lol.

but 4real. what people dont know is that the best rappers 4real aren't on tv, there not on radio, there not evn underground. but the real best emcees are in.....







the colleges & high schools. i dare anyone of y'all to go to a high school and i bet that u are going to see some of the most gifted musicians that'chuve ever heard or seen. cuz in the streets erybodys tryna be hard, on tv & radio erybodys tryna be commercial and on these albums the labels do more work & editing than the actual artist prolly do. but in the school invironment erybody pretty much does them creatively. i've grraduated already but i know that when i get my label off the ground i'mma recruit some high school talent cuz thats where its at and erybody is true to there craft.

buddy thats so stupid, and its making me mad how these sheeps are walking in this thread and agreeing to this.

are you kidding me? the kick dum shit you said was so stupid, what music has to have a complex beat or lyrics to be good? like no it cud be simple and better than any new complex shit, but thats just what the example you gave.

honestly what ur saying is, what you enjoy is good music, and the bad music you dont like is bad music.

and were in this thread was I talking about another Genre? dude you cant just bring rock or something in here. as I'm a hiphop head, i know little on other genre, that doesnt take away my knowledge on hiphop.




and now on the mainstream, it doesn't matter when they were mainstream, when they were mainstream made them a mainstream artist. people know them as a mainstream artist. even though it was the past it still made them that, and some still have stayed mainstream artist to this day.

like today mainstream isnt all that garage you say it is, off T.V mainstream artist are making GREAT music, the shit you see on T.V is majority commerical in my mind, thats what alot of artists do, but good mainstream artist like Lil wayne dont need to do that.

this is sad, you prove my point on how dumb some of you guys are on this site. sad thing is someone will come in and agree with you too.

so yeah ehh, age really detemines music? if anything the older the better with the more experience they go through.

No, I'm saying the complete opposite to that. I don't know what you were thinking. You just said to me the exact same thing I said to you.

"honestly what ur saying is, what you enjoy is good music, and the bad music you dont like is bad music."

Uhhh... I'm pretty sure I raved on an on for a few paragraphs about how music is down to taste, and just because somebody (yes, I am a person, "somebody" includes me) doesn't like a certain kind of music doesn't mean it's bad music.

There is, however, an objective standard of what is good music and what isn't. This is completely different to whether people dislike it or like it. For example, Mozart was a musical genius, it is a fact that his compositions were good, musically. That doesn't affect whether people like his music or not.

People who know anything about music can obviously see that Mozart made good music, whether they like his music or not. They don't need to like or dislike a song to see whether it is good or bad.

My point, which you completely proved to be true, is that you don't know enough about music in general to be able to see what is good music and what isn't. Yes, you know what is good music TO YOU and what is bad music TO YOU, but that doesn't mean the music you think is good is actually good, and the music you think is bad is actually bad. You proved that when you said that you were a hip hop head, and you only know about hip hop.

So let me tell you exactly what I mean in relation to this thread so you don't miss the message again:

1. You think 50 cent's latest album is incredible.
2. From a neutral point of view, looking at the album factually, there is nothing special about it. It is average.
3. You are unable to see that it is average because your understanding of music is limited.

yeah but you judge the music that comes out now to the "OLD shit"

I hate when people do this, they trash on songs beacasue it isn't like the old stuff that came out.


but thats beside the point, im here talking about 50cents album.

and its always the people on the net hating 50...