How about the fact that it REALLY isn't Chrsitians attacking Muslims? How about the fact that its about America trying to be world police? How about that? Or how about the fact that you dug yourself a really deep hole so now you'll say anything to try to get out when in reality you just look even more ignorant? How about THAT?


And for you to say that it's Christians because it's America is even more ignorant. Hmm...that's why we have this freedom to belong to whatever religion we want, right? Because America says everyone in America has to be christian. Oh yeah..thanks for bringing that to light. Oh wait...isn't that why those sailors from Europe even came upon America in the first place? Oh right..they wanted freedom from the religion that was forced upon them.

Good job!

The Bible does NOT promote restrictions for women. During the times of the New Testament where they gave laws such as women submitting to men and keeping their hair long and not speaking out in the church, those were part of that culture at that time.

Study the context in which these verses were written. Don't just read something and run with it. That's like reading the book of Job and then running off and saying God is cruel and mean and unjust.


All of the laws in the Bible hang on 2 commands. Love God and Love Others.

If women were still restricted, we wouldn't have Palin running for political office and we wouldn't have women preaching in churches. As a matter of fact, if women were still restricted, then we'd look a lot like the Muslim countries. But....we don't.

Again, study the context in which the Bible was written.

Hermeneutics and exegesis. Studying the times, cultures and writers in order to understand what the Bible is saying.

A lot of the Bible can't just be taken for what it says. You have to understand who's writing that portion, who they're writing to, where they were and what the culture was like.

no shit. lol, that's my whole point... i am a FIRM believer that the Bible promotes living a loving life like Christ. BUT, it is often misinterpreted and used in ways not intended... just like the Quran.

my point wasn't to criticize the Bible, but to draw similarities to the Quran.

Catholics, not Christians??? lol, wtf?

study the history of your denomination man...

ahahha and the funnier thing about his post is that I don't believe Isreal, IS REAL.

did you mean israel? lmfaooooooo

i'm too highh for this shit man y'all clowning yourselves ahahahaha

i'm not reading anything the fuck who started this thread types until he learns to use spell check... this thread is by far the dumbest shit i've seen on RV... every religion wants to be the only religion, if you believe there is only one God and that your's is it. Islam is not a violent religion, you're referring to the customs of the region you're talking about, not religious doctrine...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ft8txmtez90

http://www.themoviefitna.com/

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6UMP3AK5jwo

http://www.godhatesfags.com

Godhatesfags is fake.

And those people are thanking God for everything.. lol.. fucking crazy bitch... terrible links yo

HOLY FUCK ARE YOU SERIOUS? I RECLICKED GODHATESFAGS AND LAST TIME I WENT THERE I FUCKING THOUGHT THE SITE WAS A JOKE SITE MADE BY ATHEISTS TO GET PEOPLE TO THINK THAT RELIGION IS A JOKE.

THOSE FUCKS OWN THAT SITE?


LMFAOOOOo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! HHHHHHHHAAAHHHAHAHAHAAAHA

This crap is sad. As a Christian, I do NOT agree with anything that they say. These people are insane! This is just sad.

But I must say that these cats on the news were pretty funny. "You have 100 people in your church and it's your family". Hah.

THIS IS NOT A CHURCH. IT DOES NOT REPRESENT CHRIST. IT IS NOT LINE WITH WHAT GOD WOULD HAVE FOR HIS PEOPLE.

Like I said in a previous post, everything that God has commanded hangs on the 2 laws of love God and love others. What they do doesn't meet any of those 2 commands.

Sad.

^ my man... i don't disagree with you on any of that. you keep responding to all of my posts as if i'm trying to discredit christianity or something. i'm trying to show that every religion has nuts and that has nothing to do with the fundamentals of the actual religion.

Oh wait. Don't get me wrong. The post regarding the youtube videos was just to let everyone know that those people aren't Christian. They're just plain crazy.

I know.

actually the bible says to stone alot of people for alot of things.we say cut your hand off for stealing and the bible says to stone them to death.christians trasported more slaves then anyone ever did.slaves of muslims must be released if they turn muslim while christians keep christian slaves.the new testament applies to everything you fucking idiot.i cant believe how dumb christians are nowadays because they dont really read thier bible.JESUS SAID I HAVE COME TO CHANGE NO LAWS SET FORTH BY MY FATHER!!thereofre where it says in the old testament to stone people it still applies now.

well, thats not COMPLETELY true, b/c a lot of the "rules" in the old testament were just Hebrew laws.

In no way am I out to prove that you don't know what you're talking about, BUT.....you don't.

Read the whole chapter of what the hand cutting is about. A lot of the things that Jesus says aren't to be taken to the extreme. It's common sense. If you read it, then you'll see that Jesus is saying that to show the people the seriousness of sin. NOT about cutting your hand off.

And about the stoning of different people, read the story in the Bible where Jesus tells them that if they don't have any sin then let them be the first to stone the lady. Why didn't Jesus allow them to stone her?


Please please please study what you're trying to say. I feel like you have SOME knowledge of the Bible but you don't really understand what it says and you don't understand the context. Notice, I'm not saying ANYTHING about Islam and the Koran cause quite frankly I don't know much about it. But I study the Bible in school so that's why I respond to everything that you say about the Bible.

Know what you're trying to say before you decide to open your mouth.

Anyhoo, to keep this thread on track.

I wouldn't say exactly what the title of this thread says, but from what I do know (which is not much) about Islam I definitely do not agree with it at all.

The bible says women should be silent in the church. Women not being able to talk in church= restrictions.

i wonder what me and your love child would look like.

I coulda swore paul wrote that to ensure there was order in a certain church.

Not all churches. correct me if I'm wrong yo

Yeah and another thing, instead of trying to find likenesses between the Qu(Ko)ran and the Holy Bible, you should find differences.

Like how the Bible was pieced together through vocals, visions, great works and tales written by acclaimed Holy people which were approved by a council, versus, a one piece work written by one guy an amount of years after the bible already hit tha streetz..

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At the time yes. But I'm guessing with this, you would say that all women preachers should be stoned?

I'm no Bible scholar, but I would think that it has to do with the role that women played during that time. And those times compared to now are definitely different. So in my opinion, these "rules" applied to society in those ancient days whereas society today is much much more different.

I would say that this is a valid point because Paul does write in 1 Corinthians about orderly worship. So perhpas that is correct.

And I THINK Paul wrote it to Timothy so it wasn't exactly to any church in particular.

I know it was "at the time". Islam needs to evolve the same way that Christianity did. Women would be getting burned for being "witches", not showing their ankles, and confined to the kitchen had they not spoken out like they did. The women of Muslim countries need assistance in achieving the same thing for Islam to eventually shed the sexism that it's so famous for.

it's not just that, it's many fucking things.

If you expect to change islam any more then helping women, especially to places with Shariah law, and other places governed by hardcore Sunnahs (Hardcore example would be Iran) then you will be asking them to throw their Religion away. They'll fucking kill you. You can't live in areas like that without worshiping Islam or you'll either be a second class citizen or killed. Or both, in a matter of a few years. Hell, if you're a political figure and you talk shit on Islam, you'll be put on a HITLIST. Does Christianity have Hitlists? I think so, in early 90's movies.

:| so explain to me how, without a Jesus or (mohammed) coming back from the heavens to teach them peace, they'll ever fucking change?

Hell, the peaceful sects of their Religion refer to Jesus as a wise prophet, but not the son of God. Religious Jews see Jesus as a wise man.

only Christianity believes Jesus is the son of God, as Jesus said he was, so you have three Religions holding hands calling Jesus wise and very holy, yet 2 of 3 calling him a liar.

That's a fucking issue to me lol

There are plenty of countries that laws don't go hand in hand with the "main" religion. If Christians lived their religion 100% then there would be no divorce, premarital sex...wearing more than 2 kinds of cloth, and several other things. Obviously you can't change the obvious wrongs of Islam at it's core, but the laws of these Muslim countries CAN be changed to be more moderate. Eventually after changing the laws to be more ethical, it'll probably lead to the decline of it's influence in the nation in general, just like with Christianity. Which I'm sure a lot of fundamental AND radical Muslims will take issue with, just like with Christians in America, but that's the only way I can see rationality come to those countries as far as human rights go. But like I said, that struggle in general isn't exclusive to Islam.

The reason why Christian nations aren't going bizzerk the same way muslim nations are isn't the religion itself, it's the conditions of the countries and the historic rivalries between the nations. Yeah the "jihad" thing is a huge red flag, but a big reason these people are going for it, isn't 100% caused by them thinking islam should be the only religion, but they think so just because they see problems with their country and America as "Christianity vs Muslims". So they think this is a religious war, rather than a war of nations. Another HUGE reason why church and state shouldn't get married.

wait explain your second paragraph 4 me

I don't understand if you're trying to say:

Christian nations are in a sense warring with Muslim nations but the Christian nations aren't going berserk because they see the war as a State thing and Muslims see it as a Religious thing

or

Muslim nations haven't let go of their old values yet so it's not to be blamed on Religion that they are going berserk and calling the war a Jihad..

If it were the first, my response is that is understandable, but you can't call our nation(s) (a) Christian nation because that's not what it is. It's a Free nation where Freedom of Religion, belief, attitude, and everything else is the first importance, followed by the importance that people see fit for themselves. So although it may consist of a majority of Christians, as you also said, there is still a separation between Church and State. However, if you were to argue with that, you COULD say that our laws were founded on and based partly on the Holy Bible. Which is true. We are a free nation because of Jesus, and we are slowly splitting from our holy heritage for likewise reasons. I think I posted a poem about this in the poetry section of this site.

if it were the second explanation, I'll have to say that that's completely fucking bogus bullshit because the Muslims base all their laws on books that are or of foundation through the Qu(Ko)ran. Turkey is no longer a Muslim nation for example because they began to build laws that weren't based on Islam. Ever since they stopped basing laws on Islam, for fact purposes, they've progressed in the world to a world power.

1. It was obviously the first one.

2. We aren't a free nation because of Jesus. THAT's grade A bullshit. Jesus didn't say "thou shalt giveth freedom of thou press and right to beareth armseth". Our laws aren't based on Christianity either. Most of the laws that agree with Christianity are common sense laws. Don't kill people, don't steal. Our laws could be contributed to the bible if all the sins(or even 50% of them) were against the law, like adultery for example and worshiping other God's. Probably the biggest sin(worshiping other God's over..God) is one of the main advantages America has to other nations.

No I'm gonna say we're a free nation because of Jesus.

Sorry. :|

Some good points were made. But this one I have to disagree with because if you think about it, the laws that are "common sense" appear first in the Bible BEFORE the law was ever made for America. So a lot of the laws for our nation CAN be credited to Christianity. And at the same time some of them don't align with what God would have.






And this I will agree with.