no eminem is a better CHART rapper than canibus yes.... but em's battling days are long gone and his style is so different now i think cannibus would kill him, EM's old 313 stuff is way above canibus level but his new stuff is basic compared to it, he needs the hunger back

and eminem IS original...u can easily recognize his own style when u hear him, theres no way ud confused his lyrics with sumone elses....sorry for posting 3 times, but i kept thinking of stuff....

ITS BASIC COS HE NEEDS TO MAKE MONEY.. U WOULDNT KEEP RAPPING A CERTAIN WAY IF U COULD CHANGE IT AND MAKE 200 MILLION BUCKS...JEEZ

stop pretending you know what your talking about, anyway eminem is only worth 80 mill not 200, you prolly aint even heard all of canibus and em's shit specially the old 313 style, his old style is more crossover than slim shady, he raps about happy things and making it in the industry, EM IS BASIC COMPARED TO WHAT HE USED TO BE. FACT.

yes i have heard infinite ur the one who shuld get there facts straight not me, and ive heard canibus' shit too..and have u ever heard of a figure of speech? i didnt go and research eminems finances so i could argue with u guys

so how can you say he changed for the charts when ITS OK would have been straight to number 1??

Yes he's a fucken geek, and only geeks understand that science fiction shit he be spittin. I think he's very talented on the mic, but we as a people (black), the majority of us don't wanna hear that shit. It's like homework on a beat, the directions say "try to figure out what this niggas actually saying". We rather hear some shit we can relate to. On a majority, we rather hear simple catchy lyrics, and dope beat that ENTERTAINS US! Only backpackers, and advanced hip-hoppers can really appreciate him.

canibus isnt even a backpacker...hes in his own lil world
and it should stay that way cause Idont wanna hear
his sit..im pretty fuccin smart but I dont wanna hear
something of his...hes creative in his own way and
talented...but overall he scks and his beats suck...
making it even worse to 'tolerate'

Your sad.
1. "only geeks understand that science fiction shit"...you are one fucking moron. "Science fiction"? What the fuck?...oh, I guess your referring to his use of words over three syllables.

2. "but we as a people (black), the majority of us don't wanna hear that shit"...damn, way-ta-go black ass, bring your race down some more. Very stereotypical.

3. "Only backpackers, and advanced hip-hoppers can really appreciate him"...Um...once you become a "backpacker" or an "advanced hip hopper" not to many still appreciate Canibus, he's pretty simple.

hell yeah gimme an amen

AMEN!! And to those who say Bis can't spit real songs, he can write about anything he wants to. He just ain't gonna sellout and simplify his rhymes like some sellouts *cough* Eminem *cough*. Listen to his mixtapes and you'll see. His unreleased tracks are extremely versatile. And listen to "No Return" from the new Rip The Jacker album. Bis can't spit a story?? That track is one of the best story tracks I've heard in my LIFE. He gets REAL vivid with his rhymes, unlike most rappers. And to Mr. Legend, please shut tha fock up before you discredit our race even more. Dumb nigga

u guys need to stop gettin so angry..... understand that i do accept canibus as a phenomenal lyricist, i just dont lyk him becoz anything he says makes no relevance to anything thats ever happened to me in my life, makin it less enjoyable. and everyone knows his beats are wack

^ You heard RTJ? Don't you dare say those beats are wack. Download Poet Laureate II or Levitibus and then come back.

^ a few songs with good beats dont qualify him as a rapper with good beats... compare him to dre and its david and goliath and this time david gets sqaushed

Those beats are wack.

Canibus has a unique ability to put together a verse and or a song you guys must've been to young to understand the full affects of his words.
And Dre on a real level is a hip hop genious his first album was pure thought and skill. his production skills have just made the game change. he creates word structure to show you his abilities as an artist like canibus on many level.
Snoop dogg is just a unique rapper in his own right with is ability to creat a language in which sparks new tongue to the world. his power is used wisely he brings the creativity aspect back to hiphop in the millieum just as it was when hip hop first took form
if you dont understand and respect there skills than you dont understand nor respect hip hop as a whole

and that it the full truth on the hip hop game canibus isnt a nerrd he is a genious at work

N-O!

Aight, aight. Let's focus on the beat topic right now. So you're tryin to say that if Tupac's beats were wack, you wouldn't like him??

And don't tell me that beats from 2000 B.C. were wack either. He had the Heatmakers produce some for him on that. And DJ Premier produced some on Micclub. If you heard all his shit, he has more good beats than bad. Saying that his beats are wack is a stupid reason to not like him.

You are one fucking idiot.

Bruklor said it to your dumb ass best.

Just because he uses an advanced vocabulary doesn't mean that he is fucking recording a soundtrack for a Sci-Fi original movie.

"We as a people," who the fuck died and made you spokesman of the African race? This just means that you don't want to hear it because you don't listen to some of the shit that artists actually say and prefer to buy into that gangsta commercial MTV bullshit because it's simple and somehow you are able to relate to it.

I'm not a big fan of Canibus, so I'll use someone else as an example. Of course, Aesop Rock. Now tell me, he talks about working a 9-5 and has a constant wake, work, sleep motif. He also talks about watching TV, chasing dreams, along with other things of reflection. Now, how can you not relate to that? Is it that you never had a dream to pursue, or is it that you don't want to take some time to fucking sit down and actually think?

But I guess you can relate to the gangsta shit, where you smoke 31554685153156 pounds of weed everyday, fuck 35 girls in one night and kill 50 "niggas" with your gatts in drive by's rolling on 20 inch platinum rims while playing a DVD in your tricked out Escalade, as you are going back to the jewelry store because your platinum necklace with your name in diamonds got a fingerprint on it and needs repair.

But maybe I'm just leading a totally different lifestyle of the thinkers.

I don't know.

^ You my friend... ARE THA MAN!!!

lol funny shit goin on round here//////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////

agreed!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I love his genre of Hiphop, no one can touch him in the field of his writing material.. He has his own level of word choice brilliance.. I respect him, a nerd or not.

I love Rip The Jacker LP, that rips up all his past work and leaves us with some excellent beats and some truly interstella rhyming (you hear no-return, this guys the don). You can see where Jedi Mind Tricks have influenced him with outlandish rhyme styles and of course they made the beats!

Who cares if he's a nerd this guy is a legend who had some bad breaks.

Now all i need is ras kass to team up with JMT for a whole album!

canibus displays true illness, unlike other overrated commercial emcees. In every lyric that you write, you must be a critical thinker and a smart one too, cause if ur "dumb" and "stupid" you shouldn't rap at all....oh and the question "is canibus a nerd", well, if u read his bio. you will learn alot more about him..about his years in "college" and stuff like that. He also has a master degree in some shit. so i guess canibus is a nerd..but he's a pretty cool one...

dont hate on the smart mawfuckas..cause bein stupid aint all that great.

aightt...

holla one.

I don't think Cani's a nerd I just think he was like "fuck it" and just started to dig down and make shit for him, instead of everybody eles..Thats not wise as a business choice, but his shit is prolly theaptic to him, cuz he's soured by being burned and blackballed by the music industry over the years. Alot of poeple including the so called commercial rappers can make some highly adavanced shit if they wanted too... But the reality is the buying public who doesn't want to hear all that shit, greaty outways the few people who do appreciate that form of emceein'. You really think the poeple that make up the bulk of album sales, which is young 12-to 16 year old kids, females, and suburban wanna-be-downs gonna wanna hear that shit?.....you fooling yourself if you do

TO DUMBFuck BRUKLOR & DUMBFUCK MuhThugga

You fuckin wannabe stupid asses. WTF do you know about this shit huh. Nothin. WE that's right BLACK people MADE this shit OK. SO WTF you mean bring my race down some more. WHAT KIND OF BULLSHIT IS WHEN MY CULTURE IS RESPONSIBLE FOR THIS SITE YOUR ON!!! WHOSE RACE IS TRYING TO BE LIKE WHOSE? SO HOW THE FUCK AM I BRINGING MY RACE DOWN? BECAUSE I LIKE FREE AND SOULFUL HIP-HOP, BECAUSE I WANNA CELEBRATE MY CULTURE, BY DANCING, SINGING LYRICS TOGETHER WITH MY FRIENDS.

WTF huh, YOU KNOW WHY YOU THINK GANGSTA RAP IS "BELOW" YOU? CAUSE YOU ARE UNCONSCIOUS TO THE REAL WORLD YOU DUMMIES. AS LONG AS THERE ARE GHETTOS, THERE WILL BE GANGSTA RAP. PEOPLE LIKE TO HEAR MUSIC THEY CAN RELATE TO STUPID. AS LONG AS WE CAN'T FIND JOBS, WE'LL SELL DOPE. AS LONG AS THEIR ARE PEOPLE TRYING TO STOP THEM FROM FEEDING THEIR KIDS, THERE WILL BE VIOLENCE. AS LONG AS THERE IS VIOLENCE THERE WILL BE WAR STORIES...

AS FAR AS BRINGING MY RACE DOWN, HUH LOL I DON'T THINK SO, CAUSE FOR EVERY 50 CENT, THERES A HUNDRED BURNT OUT TRASHY METAL HEADS. you see WE ain't down for that shit huh

huh, sorry, I just can't stand ignorance, tread carefully children, don't disrepect the God and he won't disrespect you....

He says deep stuff in there you just have to take the time to listen. Like I said every part of hip hop has it's place. underground has it place and so does commerical. We don't need to compare because there 2 different kind of music.

I agree w/ BF man, I didn't say I didn't like him, I just said he's a geek. Why do you think he get's no airplay? why don't I ever hear anybody bumpin cannibus? How come he's not on 106 & Park, TRL. How come he ain't performing at the award shows? Where is his latest video? Cause nobody is feeling his shit, hey he got battlin down pack, as far as a song with depth, he can't do it. Big upset in the industry...

wtf is your problem?

race has nothing to do with this.

if bruklor and muhthugga dont like canibus they have that right, its as simple as that.

bringing in all this other shit is just ignorant.

so shut the hell up with your preaching shit.

You know whats funny, i aint never heard a battle from canibus. anyone got any????????????

LoL....... :)

Shouldn't The Main Question Here Be.... Who Truely Gives A Fuck?

From The First Post: "Is It Necessary To Talk About Telescopes....." Does It Really Matter What He Talks About..? Its Not Like Hip Hop Is Only Restricted To The Damn Culture...Anyone Who Can Take Those Kind Of Words, And Make Sense Of A Situation Using Them In A Track...Gets My Respect...

Sticking To The Nature Of The Actual Question At Hand... Yea I Guess Hes A Nerd.....Whoopie Thread Solved... :)

Now Whos Gonna Make The "Is The Mainstream A Bunch Of Babbling, Monosyllabic, Derivitive Imbeciles?" Thread?

LMAO!!! :D

You call yourself the God, but your record is 1-8.......I don't care for records but that just needs attention

And what do I know? I know enough to discredit your points so well that you must attack me with common shit such as calling me a wannabe. How am I a wannabe. I never said I wanted to be black. I never said I wanted to be a Hip-Hop head. But apparently I know enough fucking shit about Hip-Hop to hold my own against your racially juiced argument.

I never said gangsta rap was below me. I said that it pretty much sucks. It is fucking hypocritical, and I'm tired of hearing artists like DMX say how many people he has fucked up in one song, and then bitch about how all these people are dying and blacks are killing each other and that the ghetto is so bad in another song.

Here's a fucking idea, stop participating in the crimes and maybe shit will turn around. Do you ever stop to think that if you didn't take the fucking easy street and sell drugs for quick cash then maybe you could spot a job, work hard and make some decent money? But I guess you just like sitting on your ass, writing a song about how bad life in the ghetto is with one hand, and hold a man at gun point for a mugging with the other hand.

Do you stop to think about how childish some of these people act? Seriously, gang rivalries. Shit's so fucking childish. Killing eachother just because someone painted over your graph art to "mark territory." Boo fucking hoo. That sounds really significant in the grand scheme of things, fighting over gang territory that the government will take anyways once they find out the place isn't legally owned by them fuckers, or they will lose eventually once they die.

I am tired of hearing people like you glorify poverty and stupidity and then the next minute state the struggles and boo hoo's of it once someone like me fucking bashes you with a rock. Get off your lazy ass, find a fucking job and work. Stop trying to make fun of me for not being part of that bullshit.

And once again, gangster does not mean "act black," nor is it a synonym for Hip-Hop.

lol some nice views here... ^ but i can easily rebut this ^.....

consider eminems story...dad left, mom was crackhead, HE HAD A JOB BUT IT WAS SHIT becoz he simply wasnt smart enough...u can try as much as u want to be good at school but if ur not smart then u aint smart...so he ended up having a crap job.... his wife gave birth to a daughter, and then they broke up... = single dad with a young girl and a low wage job with no family assistance since his uncle died and his mom hates him.... can he "quit that bullshit?" dont think so....so he doesnt really have much choice...how the fuck are you supposed to succeed in a ghetto in the "normal (good job etc.) way"? to make money u need money...and money is sumthing u dont have in the ghetto, so u cant afford to go to college or uni or anythin...so there u go, u want cash, u either rap or sell drugs...boo ha

^^Which brings me to my second point of materialism and how people need to stop doing anything just to get a little extra cash in their wallet.
But since you practically explained that already, I won't have to say anything.

Now......
Look at it this way....

You sell drugs to make money, but obviously somebody has to get that money to pay for the drugs. So that person robs a store or mugs a few people and gets his money that way to buy the drugs. Eventually, that store is going to go out of business because they are losing more cash then they are making due to robberies. There goes a few jobs right there. And then the neighborhood starts to get a rep of it being a bad neighborhood, and no chain store is going to open up in that store's place because they don't want to be constantly robbed.
There goes work right there.

I'm saying that people are participating in gangs and having their little beefs that are solved with drive by shootings, and for what? What do they get out of it? A little congratulations from a fellow gang member and a tallyboard of mortal sins? And these people also are the ones bitching about how they HAVE to do illegal shit just to survive. No they don't. They don't have to do that. They can find a job and work hard and work their way up the company social scale.

I don't care if it is a shit job or not. Work hard enough and eventually you will be able to move up. Work more than one job if you have to.

I'm just tired of people saying how bad it is in the ghetto when they don't realize that they are participating in it and are causing it to be that way. Fucking change it. Make money by fucking working like everyone else does.

And for the statement of "quitting bullshit," let me clarify. I meant that these people need to quit this gnagsta bullshit and stop killing eachother and participating in criminal activities. That bullshit. Do these gang rivalries and shootings and drug dealings hold any real significance in the grand scheme? No. They are acting like children, fighting over whether or not you got me in a game of tag.

Off topic, but I would also love to know why people bash middle class suburbia residents because they have worked and succeeded to make a good amount of money, but then back up artists like Jay-Z who make millions to say a few words on a commercial.

^^^Becasue Jay-Z didn't START OFF making millions to say a few words on a commercial.....He hustled his way to that spot by grindin' from the 'hood. Poeple with the same background can relate to him, and wanna be like him becasue he "Made it".

Just like biggie say.'I went from nasty, ashy to classy"....most suburdanites didn't have to start as low from the totem poll to get to the top so you have no 'stuggle' to your success...bottom line you ain't been through no rought shit.....and if you did thats where the street respect comes from....

Yes.

You people still dont understand.

Its not about "Street respect" or whatever, Its great yall can relate to what the artist are going through.

But this isnt a drama movie, so fuck the emotions.

Its about making good music.

I dont understand whats so great about liking a artist that "runs n guns" or pimps or fuckin whatever, but SUCKS musically.

Ill take good music anyday.

Thank you.

i guess the people who started all this ghetto "crap" as u say didnt really have to do all that shit...but nowadays people in the ghetto cant really help it unless they are lucky or have sum extrodinary intelluctual talent..... if u could barely feed your children and urself or keep your house cos u cant pay the rent, im willin to bet my life that u would rob a store to keep of the streets lyk a homeless person...