Patriotism has definately come into fashion since 9/11. I used to have an American flag hung up as a window shade and my landlord told me that I had to take it down because it made his apartment look like a hippie house, the some jets fly into some buildings and everyone and there mother has a flag.

I'm glad you're so sure of what I am.
When was the last time we were in a bind? if that is what you typed.

I never said I wouldn't fight. I just happen to think that waltzing into a country just because you can and causing widespread chaos and leaving people in more poverty than they were in before you came to recue them is somewhat wrong. I suppose people didn't get drafted for that, but you get my point.

I would fight for many things, but not for Bush's greed, and definatly not his testosterone.

Bushes greed, da hell yopu mean by that. Bush is our president
he nos more about whats goin on then you so STFU hes our fucking president and a good one, even tho people dissagree with him its always been like that you cant please all 250+ million people in the US

I was active in the nations defense sector prior to 9/11, I had been deployed to over 8 sites and coordinated over 100 reconnaissance missions before that date. As most know I am not an enlisted man and I did not join the military. I am a defense contractor with a background in Radar systems, and electronic engineering, (at the time) I studied and decided to advise on technical issue's for the US Air Force, (at the time). So you can't call me a band wagon patriot, you can't say I'm just older and don't understand, because I'm only in my twenties, early very early that is... Secuirty has always been an issue with me, love for this country since the day I was born. I am a mexican american who is blessed from birth in this great nation. Most mexicano's still have family back in mexico, who would kill for the opprotunites our children have here. C, I remeber your comments about not being able to go to a school of your chioce.. Well dawg, I went to a violent ass high school, with a horrible academic program, but I decided to pursure education via any means possible. I did not break from the pressure's society put's on us, I did not succum to the far reaching arms of injustice. I came from the ghetto's of LA, with every negative effect that life can have on a person, yet when I learned I was having a child of my own, I elevated! It was not easy but not impossible, from one raza to another, the avenues are out there, not abundantly for us, but there none the less...

STFU i heard enough of your shit understatement

^ Net thug at his finest. :rolleyes:

good comeback ;)

you know I'm just playin, right?
your opinion is your opinion, I don't really care either way

yea i no was a good laugh tho

So... what part of "Und das ist alles" do you guys not understand?

It's called relative freedom.

And the question still stands for non-American people. It's the most powerful nation on earth. Both militairy and economic wise.

The freedom in America varies. From one extreme to another. And it's peoples perception (in general) of the world is no doubt worrying. Though one can understand it, it is still worrying.

Especially with current inbalance both politically and sociologicaly in America.

America's freedom is fleeting. Especially with the threat of terrorism.

And it goes on and on...

understatement's cool...



^ Random Fact Of The Day.

random fact those who are true americans have less rights then those who disaprove of america...

you guys i love america and im proud to be american but you guys just cant see that we are all getting screwed over....but i never said we are the only country screwin our ppl over....every country does! the world is fucked......so is every country in it.......but im still proud to be an american b/c we have common sense.....see japan might be the leading technology..but power overrides everyth9ing.....we bombed japan and now we practically own them and they give us the technology....america is a great place and if i had to i would fight to protect it...but i still think when it comes to laws and money we are all gettin fucked up the ass by the government

Lmao...How True....

WTF? How can you compare commercial electronics advancement of Japan, to the overall technological breakthoughs of the US. I am not attacking the brilliance of Japenesse Engineering, as an Engineer myself I hold them with high regard. I just can't believe you actually think they are on the cutting edge of overall technology... The US is the world leader in Technological advancements and research, we are years and years ahead of everybody in that Arena. Not in every segment or industry, but overall, and where the research is most crucial. Consumer electronics is not our forte since our wages paid in this country are too high to compete with the world markets. We acknoledge and accept that in general terms. We would never allow ourselves to fall behind in such areas, critical to national defense, secuirity, communicatons, space exploration, and so many other area's. Our power is derrived from technology, what other country has allocated the dollars needed to add smartweapons to an all ready powerfull arsenal. Not a one, has spent as much money looking for ways to LIMIT death counts. Those weapons stratigeclly inhanced to hit a specific target are just one more way America has tried to make war more humane. I know it's a contrdiction of terms, but in a imperfect world our sole measurement is less or more (humane). These weapons are more, although you may say not all hit intended targets, there is always a percentage of error in every science, and less destruction is certainly better than more. Just one of my thoughts..

I know you can all agree this is not a perfect world, so how can you adopt a perfect world policy. We live to the times, this is a dangerous world and sometimes action is taken. Not everyone is going to agree, but why should we denounce a nation because of it? Should we have denounced the dismantleing of the German army after the war?

im not comparing i was just trying to prove my point that we are indeed a powerful country....no offense intended bounce, i look up to you on your views and i read your posts and you are very correct....but i was in no intention attempting to compare or offend....but you do have a point about the dangerous world.....we are all just here and you never know when the world could just END. you never know when the next Nuclear Bomb could be dropped...it could be here...the threat of nuclear attack is very real...north korea has already threatend with nuclear attacks....but in all realness....this american thing...you guys are right our country is great...but who are you guys to say other countries arent.....ppl from other countries come here to get jobs and make a life for themselves and sometimes end up on the street homeless....is that great? i have a question for all you guys that are like fuck canada and shit like that.....this country may be a great one but would you fight for it? would you kill another man to protect this country? alot of you will probly say yes but if it came down to a draft alot of you wouldnt wanna go...i guess what im trying to say is there are people actually killing or being killed for this country while we sit on this forum talking about america....im getting off subject again.........anyways..you guys are all entitled to your opinions....but i got one last question........if you were looking into in the face of death would you look him in the eye?....think about that.....

Yes. I would look her in the eye.

Und das ist alles. On the real.

^^seriously. They say that the japanese are the most technologically advanced people in the world. So why do the people still eat with sticks????????

With that said, I'd like to offer my opinion on this subject from a slightly different perspective. See, I was not born in the u.s. I was born in Azerbaijan, in the former Soviet Union. When I was one year old, my family immigrated to the United States. Now I'm 15, and I must honestly say, I do a lot of travel to europe/the carribean/etc, and although I do not support the president of our country whatsoever, and I definately do not support the war in Iraq, America is still, to me, the greatest place to live in. And any of you people complaining about how we don't have enough freedom etc, well name me one other country, with the exception of canada lol, where they have as much freedom and opprotunity as we do here. Name another country where your choice of college extents from ivy league, to in state/out of state, to any colleges in the country. Name another country where you can be whatever you want to be when you are an adult. America offers more freedom then any other country. That is why, for me, it is truly the greatest place to live in.

oh well, in a way, i still think canada is gay, jus along wit all the otha countries, most of them be on some bullshit, and i got zero tolerance for bullshit lol, but its hot that weed and drinkin and drivin and shit, but how great is it when u get ya car stolen and killed n shit, like even in puerto rico when i was there shit was crazy, cops beatin niggas wit billy clubs n shit for no reason lmao, shits funny though, as long as it dont happen to me

but yea, most countrys are gay

^^As opposed to America where the cops DO have a reason to beat the shit out of someone? Generally that reason being the jabroni is black?

Also, overall America DOES create new technology. But it is the Japanese that no only improve on it, but also manufacture it. America would be broke if they didn't depend on other countrys making their scheiße for them.

well put^

........ok off subject but i wanna say...B this was a good idea for a thread.....you got a good discussion goin..much props

I'm Native American. This is where my people come from. You know what I'm saying? This is where my roots are. And as messed up as it is, this is where I call home. I don't think I'd be happy moving someplace foreign and cutting myself off from my roots.

^Very reserved i'd say. I know some who'd go on the offensive. And to an extent, rightfully so...

(5 posts...i wonder...)..

And some may spoon feed themselves wise teachings all their lives and still wouldn't get it!

listen america haters..... it is the best place to live... we do everything we can for te world. and damn france is full of haters.. remember WW2? we got you guys out of a deep hole that yalls dug yourself in to. and now... when we do somthing supportive to iraq all yalls be haten

Very true Carmen. Hollow wisdom aint it?

Not even that dude! Airhead is more like it. :)

lol yall very tru and Qwestion brought up a good point, why arent all these countrys we bailed out payin us back, we givin and givin and never get, france owes us more money then they could payback in three lifetimes, and if it werent for us their econemy would be shit... why arent we gettin payed back for all the shit we do. we help the world and what does it do?? kill our people???


go figure...

^ Actually, without U.S. support they would probably be part of Germany right now.. Got to love how the brilliant French dug eloborate trenches to prevent German invasion after what happened to them in WWII..(read about trench warfare if you don't know what I'm talking about.. ) and then Germany just flew over them with planes, making all the time their military spent to 'prepare' in case of another invasion, utterly useless.



^ Explain how they pay us back by killing our people. I am guessing you mean 9/11? Do you know why 9/11 happened and we are so hated? I'm guessing no.. But I have to go, so go read an article or something and maybe it will make sense. Most of the countries we 'actually' help do appreciate us, but do not like us imposing our government and religions on their society, while others are simply envious.

no not jus 9/11 look at what all other countrys (not just the known terrorist groups) jus lil things like the shoot out in the french embacy, the bombing in africa ect...

exactly. We may be the most helpful country, but we're also the most hated.

I agree with The End. Our government is ver boisterous and we love to put our to cents in about whats going on with everyone else. The whole 9/11, which by the way I do not condone, happened because of something we did back in the day. The U.S. is good at helping to make a mess and fight but not to clean up.

We supplied them with guns, ammunition, you name it to fight another country who we (them and the U.S.) mutually do not like, FOR us, so we wouldn't have to do the dirty work. After they won, we stopped contact with them, leaving their country in ruins, many dead, and their economy shot. Thus, the resentment and feelings of betrayl and backstabbing.

very true, another ? then why are we spilling billions into iraq when we should but those billions into our country??? 151 billion into iraq when our country could use that money very much so...

let me ask you this ^^... what do you feel we need to spend it on?

there is an alotment of money, like a budget for foreign affairs. Besides what could we do with 151 billion? Yes, help the homeless, but we already have programs that are geared towards that, people just don't take advantage of them. We don't know how to use money wisely here, thats why tax maybe higher. We can't just start handing money out. Some of the money that they are spending is for our troops, I mean they are over there, they need to build camps, food, etc. Besides America always gives money to other countries, kind of like an IOU for fucking up your country. And in doing this, it makes the Americans look like they don't mean to kill innocent Iraqis (ha!) and only wanted the intended terrorists to suffer. Hey, we say we're fighting "for" Iraq and its people, because they can't do it themselves...

jesus chrst this thread makes me sick. most of u should be ashamed. the americans in this thread can get the fuck outta my country! and for the canadians here u can go find rapbattles.ca. this is an american site youre posting on so u can kiss my fuckin ass. and c section if you dont like this country than we can just ship your ass back to china

jes look around in your comunity not jus on the homeless everything. why sould a country who destorys and will eventually go back to being our enemy get all new shit when our country(the smaller cities and some bigger citys) have shit...

In reply to you B-squared

they aren't getting new stuff, in fact they don't get monetary compensation... the refugees and the innocent get food and some shelter... necessities that the war deplenished.

Another fact I just learned... 4.5 billion is spent on the war a month, for OUR troops and our battles.

Yes, I see in the shit that goes on in my community, do you? I mean I partcipate in many things; volunteer to feed the hungry, I'm a big sister to inner city youth, and I volunteer as a peer counselor to teen mothers and those pregnant. Do you know how many government programs are geared to help those in need? In fact there is more monetary aid for the less fortunate than there are for schools.

It's all about retribution. It is not the WHOLE country against us, remember it's a terrorist group, extremists. If a group of American radical activists made some political statement in another country say Canada, a statement against there government and demeaning to its people, should Canada blame every American or the country in general? Thats why hate crime is at an all time high, people assume you're of mid-eastern persuassion you're related to Osama. Narrow minded views, if you ask me.....

canada is dope....dope emcees, dope drugz, itz so easy to buy illegal weapons but i'de still rather be in the states, im proud to rep canada but states is dope as hell