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Crysis 12-04-03 10:09 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Axe E. Um
OK... Everyone Has Their Own Interpretation Of The Video Obviously. My Brother Is A Police Officer So I Might Have A Biased View On This Incident... But I Think The Officers Didn't Use Extreme Force. I've Watched The Tape Twice Now... And This Is What I See. I See Two 200 Pound MAX Officer And A Huge 350+ Pound Man That Is Trippin Out On Drugs. From Stories My Brother Has Told Me, He's Encountered People On The Streets On PCP And He's Seen Them Shot With Bean Bag Bullets From Shotguns Numerous Times And They Don't Go Down. He's Seen Them Sprayed With Pepper Spray, They Don't Go Down. Only Thing That Even Phases Them ARE The Baton Sticks. Back To The Video... I Saw The Man Trying To Clothesline The Two Officers So They Beat Him. I Then Saw The Man Fall To The Ground But He Kept Attemptin To Get Up So They Kept Beatin Him. In Fact, He Did Succeed In Getting To His Feet And They Kept Beatin Him. Finally, More Police Officers Showed Up And They Finally Wrestled Him To The Ground... And The Batons Were Put Away. So I Don't See Where These Cries Of "Excessive Force" Or Coming From.

And I'm Spent...
*Drops 2 Cents*



i totally understand you on this fact...but think about it...these cops have no idea if the man has

1. Heart Problems
2. any other problems with his mind or body

they should have tried anything else before beating him down to make sure he didnt get hurt

1. they hit him with the sticks first
2. then they pepper spryed him

^that should have been the other way around...but it wasnt

and no he wasnt getting back up from what i saw....he was grabbing at the sticks.....but you may be right about him getting back up

but the thing that made me say "wait a minute".....i saw him on the ground reaching for the sticks...then an officer takes one stick.....and jabs it in his face....that was fucked up

B.I.Detained 12-04-03 10:15 AM

its the long arm of the law and will sum how never change...
there was an incident in England where a police officer was disrespectfully fired from the force for jus jabbing n kicking a guy for no reason..this was caught in camera...

nuttin will change anywhere..its uop to the government to get tighter around this shit pz

Born To Kill 12-04-03 10:39 AM

Here's the old man's two cents...

I do not approve of the cops beating this motherfucker to death.

Was it excessive?

Yes, it was.

Was it necessary?

Perhaps, but most likely not.

But here's the thing, Chrit, Bounce and the rest of you aren't grasping...

WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU DOING SWINGING AT COPS FOR???

That's like saying, "I climbed into that lion's cage at the zoo, kicked one of those lions in the ass...and I'll be damned, they all jumped up and mauled the shit outta me! That's not fair!"

Well, no, it's not fair...

But that's the nature of the beast.

All you guy's are preaching Rodney King and shit...

Well, that was well over ten years ago.

If you haven't figured out by now that giving cops lip or physically fucking with them will earn you an ass-kicking...

Well...

Perhaps you need to be weeded out of society by a good fatal police beating, eh?

And don't think I don't know what's up...

I've done my thug and jail time...

Been there, done that...

And even as a punk ass, long haired teenager...

I knew not to fuck with the cops.

Even though one of my charges was aggravated assault with a deadly weapon on an officer of the law.

You know how I got off?

A real good fucking lawyer...

Who presented my pretty, unmarked face to the judge at the pre-trial hearing...to see if it's gonna go to an actual trial...

And that killed the cop's case...

The judge read the bullshit charges and literally told the prosecuter...

"You expect me to believe this young man brandished a 5 and a half inch knife at 4 Houston Police Officers, charged at them with the intent to inflict bodily harm...and, yet...he doesn't have a single mark on him?"

The charge was reduced to a misdemeanor assault and I walked with a 200 dollar fine.

And why?

Cuz even judges know...

YOU DON'T FUCK WITH COPS!!!

B.I.Detained 12-04-03 10:40 AM

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

god hasw spoken...i especially liked the lion part pz

Dappa Rappa 12-04-03 10:41 AM

Why is it that US cop are so sick in the fuckin head and racist? In England the cops get beat down by the pps.... thats the right way, jus playin

Crysis 12-04-03 10:41 AM

^im not preaching rodney king..........and this dude was high off coke.....maybe he was too fucked up to control what he was doing.........

bouncedoggydog 12-04-03 01:57 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Born To Kill
Here's the old man's two cents...

I do not approve of the cops beating this motherfucker to death.

Was it excessive?

Yes, it was.

Was it necessary?

Perhaps, but most likely not.

But here's the thing, Chrit, Bounce and the rest of you aren't grasping...

WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU DOING SWINGING AT COPS FOR???

That's like saying, "I climbed into that lion's cage at the zoo, kicked one of those lions in the ass...and I'll be damned, they all jumped up and mauled the shit outta me! That's not fair!"

Well, no, it's not fair...

But that's the nature of the beast.

All you guy's are preaching Rodney King and shit...

Well, that was well over ten years ago.

If you haven't figured out by now that giving cops lip or physically fucking with them will earn you an ass-kicking...

Well...

Perhaps you need to be weeded out of society by a good fatal police beating, eh?

And don't think I don't know what's up...

I've done my thug and jail time...

Been there, done that...

And even as a punk ass, long haired teenager...

I knew not to fuck with the cops.

Even though one of my charges was aggravated assault with a deadly weapon on an officer of the law.

You know how I got off?

A real good fucking lawyer...

Who presented my pretty, unmarked face to the judge at the pre-trial hearing...to see if it's gonna go to an actual trial...

And that killed the cop's case...

The judge read the bullshit charges and literally told the prosecuter...

"You expect me to believe this young man brandished a 5 and a half inch knife at 4 Houston Police Officers, charged at them with the intent to inflict bodily harm...and, yet...he doesn't have a single mark on him?"

The charge was reduced to a misdemeanor assault and I walked with a 200 dollar fine.

And why?

Cuz even judges know...

YOU DON'T FUCK WITH COPS!!!


You have a point, but I am arguing form another angle here. I understand your point and it's a valid one but in the case of a cop beating your ass for nothing your natural instinct is to protect yourself. Even more so if you fear for your life. Cop or not, if someone is fearing for thier life they are going to try and stop the baton/cop from beating them. Axe I hace family members who are cops as well so I do understand and respect your point but all too often cops allow the power of the badge to cloud thier judgement.

I can clear this all up in a minute. We all have witnessed on TV, or real life cops and/or unarmed animal control personnel subdue and capture without harm, a crazed and hungry wild animal. In the case of a 1000 pound bear the public would be appualed by the use of deadly force on the animal, yet in the case of a 350 pound human being they are not. I am sorry if you can capture subdue and detain a wild flesh eating animal weighing 1000 pounds without incident, I think the same is appropriate for a human on drugs or not! Yet a doped up large black man is worth less of a decision, than a fucking bear! So I state my case again....FUCKA BABYLON BANDIT!!!!!!!

Born To Kill 12-04-03 02:22 PM

I hear what ya sayin, Bounce...

Ya right, the same respect should be given.

If they can rope a bear or tiger or some shit...

They should be able ta rope a human.

But, reality ain't that way.

Shame that it isn't...

bouncedoggydog 12-04-03 03:38 PM

Ahhh now you see where I was going with my original rant! Kind of sucks, PETA's trying to save the chickens at all cost, yet it is not in the best interest of mankind to bring a man down without inflicting bodily harm! Anyone who knows how to wrestle, hunt or rodeo, could have brought that guy down with ease!

Axiom 12-04-03 03:46 PM

Try Being A 200 Pound Cop With Extra Gear Weighin You Down... (Vest, Belt, Etc...) And You Try To Wrestle Down A 350+ Pound Man That Is Bullrushing You... It's Easy To Say, "Yea, I Would've Just Peppersprayed Him"(Habitat), "Put Him In A Headlock"(Chrit) But The Truth Is... This Is All Easier Said Than Done. I Just Saw The Video Again Today In The Morning And I Stick With My Views... No UNNECESSARY Force Was Used... They Needed Take Him Down Before He Did Harm To The Officers... They Didn't Have Time To Try To Sweet Talk Him Into The Cuffs, And You Actually Thing The Officers Would've Ran Away? No... Most Of You Are Just Bein Quick To Yell "Racist" When That's Not What Caused This.

self 12-04-03 03:48 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Dappa Rappa
Why is it that US cop are so sick in the fuckin head and racist? In England the cops get beat down by the pps.... thats the right way, jus playin


Better than the cops in oh lets say Columbia, Cuba, Russia, pick a country almost any country.

Axiom 12-04-03 03:52 PM

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Originally posted by ....BaSh....

Word...
If You Have Nothing Productive To Add To The Discussion... Don't Contribute Anything At All.

self 12-04-03 03:52 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Axe E. Um
Try Being A 200 Pound Cop With Extra Gear Weighin You Down... (Vest, Belt, Etc...) And You Try To Wrestle Down A 350+ Pound Man That Is Bullrushing You... It's Easy To Say, "Yea, I Would've Just Peppersprayed Him"(Habitat), "Put Him In A Headlock"(Chrit) But The Truth Is... This Is All Easier Said Than Done. I Just Saw The Video Again Today In The Morning And I Stick With My Views... No UNNECESSARY Force Was Used... They Needed Take Him Down Before He Did Harm To The Officers... They Didn't Have Time To Try To Sweet Talk Him Into The Cuffs, And You Actually Thing The Officers Would've Ran Away? No... Most Of You Are Just Bein Quick To Yell "Racist" When That's Not What Caused This.


Axe, refer to my post where I quoted you before.

Seriously, pull out the gun.
Or take out the 350lb man's legs...its hard to get up on broken lets, especially when your 350lbs...


Some local coffee shop should have given them all free doughnuts. They would have all calmed down and become friends.

Crysis 12-04-03 04:19 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Axe E. Um
Try Being A 200 Pound Cop With Extra Gear Weighin You Down... (Vest, Belt, Etc...) And You Try To Wrestle Down A 350+ Pound Man That Is Bullrushing You... It's Easy To Say, "Yea, I Would've Just Peppersprayed Him"(Habitat), "Put Him In A Headlock"(Chrit) But The Truth Is... This Is All Easier Said Than Done. I Just Saw The Video Again Today In The Morning And I Stick With My Views... No UNNECESSARY Force Was Used... They Needed Take Him Down Before He Did Harm To The Officers... They Didn't Have Time To Try To Sweet Talk Him Into The Cuffs, And You Actually Thing The Officers Would've Ran Away? No... Most Of You Are Just Bein Quick To Yell "Racist" When That's Not What Caused This.



i didnt say that...i said they should have pepper sprayed him first then if they had to beat him.......b/c they beat him....then peppersprayed him....thats jsut a waste of pepperspray...which costs the taxpayers money

Crysis 12-04-03 04:21 PM

plus...im not saying they are racist....b/c they would have probly done the same to a white 350 lb guy.............it just wouldnt have been as publicized

Axiom 12-04-03 05:10 PM

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Originally posted by Bruklor


My cousin is a cop.

When a man strung out on drugs refuses to give up, you don't contintue to beat him, you pull out your fucking gun. Jesus, thats what its there for! You don't have to shoot the guy, but seeing a gun is a lot different than a fucking stick.

Or

So he kept on getting up? BREAK HIS LEGS! Hit is legs, not his fucking chest or head. Fucking hell its the only thing you go for when someone is 350lbs.
OK... I See Where You Comin From... But In The Heat Of The Moment You Don't Have Time To Analyze Where You Should Be Hitting The Suspect To Be Most Effective... Out In The Streets, The Decisions Needa Be Made In Seconds... With Adrenline Rushing... You're Just Swingin To Keep The Guy At Bay. And They Never Hit The Guy In The Head... The Autopsy Reports Are In And They Were All Body Blows. Just Pointin That Out. And Pointin The Guy At The Guy Is Useless... Because Unless It Is A Life Or Death Situation... They Can't Use Deadly Force... And Most Suspects Know This... So By The Time The Guy Is Charging You... You Don't Have Time To Go, "Oh, Shit, I Can't Use My Gun... Gotta Put It Away And Bust Out The..." BOOM, He's Already Being Suffocated By The 350+ Pound Guy. See?

Chrit 12-04-03 05:14 PM

^^^
Officers go through training that should make it insticnt to take out legs... and other non-lethal ways of subduing a person...

And to clarify things... I never said a headlock...

Its a chicken wing choke...

It can immobolize persons of any size.

self 12-04-03 05:16 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Axe E. Um
OK... I See Where You Comin From... But In The Heat Of The Moment You Don't Have Time To Analyze Where You Should Be Hitting The Suspect To Be Most Effective... Out In The Streets, The Decisions Needa Be Made In Seconds... With Adrenline Rushing... You're Just Swingin To Keep The Guy At Bay. And They Never Hit The Guy In The Head... The Autopsy Reports Are In And They Were All Body Blows. Just Pointin That Out. And Pointin The Guy At The Guy Is Useless... Because Unless It Is A Life Or Death Situation... They Can't Use Deadly Force... And Most Suspects Know This... So By The Time The Guy Is Charging You... You Don't Have Time To Go, "Oh, Shit, I Can't Use My Gun... Gotta Put It Away And Bust Out The..." BOOM, He's Already Being Suffocated By The 350+ Pound Guy. See?


What the fuck do boxers do? lol

And cops are paid to analyze the situation, not beat people to death, thats the criminals job.

self 12-04-03 05:19 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Chrit
^^^
Officers go through training that should make it insticnt to take out legs... and other non-lethal ways of subduing a person...

And to clarify things... I never said a headlock...

Its a chicken wing choke...

It can immobolize persons of any size.


If the cop even said chicken wing they would have subdued the fat guy.

Chrit 12-04-03 05:20 PM

^ LMAO!!!!!!!!!

But seriously...

I have a point...

And have been beaten by the police...
They take shit way too far

Born To Kill 12-04-03 05:29 PM

Well...

Look at it this way...

Yeah, they're beating your ass...

And they're wrong for doing it.

But these cats see shit everyday...

Shit that's gotta be affecting they're psyche.

Dead babies, abused children, battered women, corpses...

Mangled bodies from car wrecks, caused by drunkards...

Probably mangled children.

The murders that drunks and coked up PCP cats are capable of.

I mean, wasn't homeboy rap star/cannibal of his girlfriend...

Under the influence of shit?

So, they probably don't have alot of mercy for the cat who's fucked up and swinging at them.

And using that fucked up state of mind as an excuse for their behavior.

So, they probably take alot of aggresion and pain out on them.

Yeah, it's wrong...

But like I said earlier...

The nature of the beast.

We're human.

We're affected by shit whether we want to be or not.

Despite the training.

Chrit 12-04-03 05:33 PM

^^^

But it doesnt make it anywhere near right...

My ribs still arent right from my encounter with them

Axiom 12-04-03 05:41 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Bruklor


What the fuck do boxers do? lol

And cops are paid to analyze the situation, not beat people to death, thats the criminals job.
What About Boxers? And Yes... Cops Are Paid To Analyze The Situation... Doesn't Mean They Can Everytime. Did You See The Video? They Were All Within Feet Of Each Other. If A Guy Is Swingin At You Tryin To Rip Off Your Head... You Not Goin To Be Swingin DOWN At His Knees. The Police Officers Were In Survival Mode... Just Swinging To Keep Him At Bay. I STILL Don't Believe Unnecessary Excessive Force Was Used. And Chrit... Do You Know EXACTLY What Kind Of Training They Go Through?

The End 12-04-03 05:42 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Axe E. Um
What About Boxers? And Yes... Cops Are Paid To Analyze The Situation... Doesn't Mean They Can Everytime. Did You See The Video? They Were All Within Feet Of Each Other. If A Guy Is Swingin At You Tryin To Rip Off Your Head... You Not Goin To Be Swingin DOWN At His Knees. The Police Officers Were In Survival Mode... Just Swinging To Keep Him At Bay. I STILL Don't Believe Unnecessary Excessive Force Was Used. And Chrit... Do You Know EXACTLY What Kind Of Training They Go Through?


I disagree.

Axiom 12-04-03 05:45 PM

...And To Each Person His Own Opinion.



















Even If He's Wrong. :)

The End 12-04-03 05:45 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Axe E. Um
...And To Each Person His Own Opinion.





Even If He's Wrong. :)


Yup.

self 12-04-03 05:48 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Axe E. Um
What About Boxers? And Yes... Cops Are Paid To Analyze The Situation... Doesn't Mean They Can Everytime. Did You See The Video? They Were All Within Feet Of Each Other. If A Guy Is Swingin At You Tryin To Rip Off Your Head... You Not Goin To Be Swingin DOWN At His Knees. The Police Officers Were In Survival Mode... Just Swinging To Keep Him At Bay. I STILL Don't Believe Unnecessary Excessive Force Was Used. And Chrit... Do You Know EXACTLY What Kind Of Training They Go Through?


Your biased because of your brother.

Boxers can analyze where to hit, what kind of of hit to hit with, and when to move, where to move, and they DO IT IN LESS THEN HALF A SECOND.

Extendo bar + knee cap = shattered knee.

You cannot get up without a knee.

The End 12-04-03 05:49 PM

^ Yeah you can, you use your arms and other leg. Or maybe prop yourself against a car or something.

self 12-04-03 05:50 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Born To Kill
Well...

Look at it this way...

Yeah, they're beating your ass...

And they're wrong for doing it.

But these cats see shit everyday...

Shit that's gotta be affecting they're psyche.

Dead babies, abused children, battered women, corpses...

Mangled bodies from car wrecks, caused by drunkards...

Probably mangled children.

The murders that drunks and coked up PCP cats are capable of.

I mean, wasn't homeboy rap star/cannibal of his girlfriend...

Under the influence of shit?

So, they probably don't have alot of mercy for the cat who's fucked up and swinging at them.

And using that fucked up state of mind as an excuse for their behavior.

So, they probably take alot of aggresion and pain out on them.

Yeah, it's wrong...

But like I said earlier...

The nature of the beast.

We're human.

We're affected by shit whether we want to be or not.

Despite the training.


For fuck sakes type normally. Sentences one after another, forming a paragraph. I never read your posts because of how they are typed.

self 12-04-03 05:51 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by The End
^ Yeah you can, you use your arms and other leg. Or maybe prop yourself against a car or something.


Have you ever seen a knee after being hit at full force by the ball of an extendo bar?

Piece's.

The End 12-04-03 05:52 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Bruklor


For fuck sakes type normally. Sentences one after another, forming a paragraph. I never read your posts because of how they are typed.


Stop being a grammar nazi. He types how he likes to. Why should he change it for you? Hmm?


lol.

Axiom 12-04-03 05:52 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Bruklor
Extendo bar + knee cap = shattered knee.

You cannot get up without a knee.
And Then You Fucks Would Bitch About Shattered Knee Caps.:thumbup:

LOL @ "Extendo Bar"

The End 12-04-03 05:52 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Bruklor


Have you ever seen a knee after being hit at full force by the ball of an extendo bar?

Piece's.



Nope. I have never seen that.

The End 12-04-03 05:53 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Axe E. Um
And Then You Fucks Would Bitch About Shattered Knee Caps.:thumbup:

LOL @ "Extendo Bar"



I didn't read the whole thread.. Why are you so pro cop violence?

Axiom 12-04-03 05:55 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by The End



I didn't read the whole thread.. Why are you so pro cop violence?
I'm Not "Pro Cop Violence" I'm Anti-Bitch About Police Officers Doing Their Jobs.

Born To Kill 12-04-03 05:57 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Bruklor


For fuck sakes type normally. Sentences one after another, forming a paragraph. I never read your posts because of how they are typed.


I'm sorry, my man...

Ya just gonna have ta keep missing out on my wisdom.

My style is my own.

And I dig it like a grave, duke.

Peace

self 12-04-03 06:00 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Axe E. Um
And Then You Fucks Would Bitch About Shattered Knee Caps.:thumbup:

LOL @ "Extendo Bar"


Axe, have you ever seen an extendo bar?
Don't laugh...

The End 12-04-03 06:01 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Bruklor


Axe, have you ever seen an extendo bar?
Don't laugh...


LoL..

:thumbup:

self 12-04-03 06:02 PM

And I think the man would have taken a busted knee cap over death...

Possibly...

The End 12-04-03 06:03 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Bruklor
And I think the man would have taken a busted knee cap over death...

Possibly...



You're wisdom is amazing.


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