the first rappper was ll cool j

People only ask for what they know, so that's my point. If more people knew about the real hip hop artists that have been doing this shit for years, maybe they would realize they have a choice.

Scuse me sonny jim..

Hip hop is the culture of Breakdancing, Graffiti, Turntables & Rapping..
Buying KRS-1's album isnt gonna make someone suddenly know what hip hop is and I think if your telling people stuff like that, it might not be your area of expertise, to the extent where you would do a good job teaching people about hip hop.

Nah mean?

Rap is music...
No matter what style you use or prefer, your ultimatly making music.. If you look at rap from an industry perspective, a lot of cats are just clueless as to what their trying to do and rely on short careers where they have the shit marketed out of them by people who could give a fuck less about any of their goals..

I dont look at rap as the underground being real hip hop and the commercial scene being bad rap.. When I look at rap, I see the underground, where cats make songs mainly for the enjoyment of hip hop heads and employ more complex techniques to get their message accross simply because hip hop heads will understand more complex techniques in rap. Underground rappers dont bring in loads of cash though because their target audiences are always going to be smaller.

Commercial rap on the other hand, is for a much larger target audience... Commercial rappers have to appeal to not only those who are die hard rap fans, but also people who listen to more than just rap, and ultimatly people who dont even listen to rap.

Your talking like hip hop is some kind of vast enigma that few people understand.. In reality it is a straight forward word for the culture of breakdancing, Djing, rapping & graffiti.. But no matter what you prefer to call your rap, like I said before... Its always just gonna be music..

And music is always going to be subjective... One mans trash is another mans treasure. Personally, I am looking to break into the commercial scene.. That doesent make me any less of an artist, because I still rhyme better than a lot of underground artists that are getting recognition these days.. And my message will always be the same no matter how much I bring in for my music.. It just means I'll be rapping in a larger scene that most underground heads couldnt break into if they tried..

Dont try and label hip hop as being one type of rap (ie the type you respect the most).. I apreciate any music made by people I respect as an artist.. That doesent mean only the artists I respect are making real hip hop... It just means thats my preferance..

If that makes sense to you..

rap music is self expression in a poetic form. You can accapella rap, and its still rap music.

This thread might not be dope...

...but Vango is. :thumbup:

Man... Seriously..

Rap has nothing to do with poetry..
Why is it that every man and his dog tries to sound deep by throwing around words like poetry when talking about rap.. When I sit down to write my songs, the last thing on my mind is "Ooh I'm gonna be real poetical in this verse"..

Wtf.. Does this shit sound like poetry to you:

You bloody nuns; I'll give the crowd what they came for.
Pick a straight whore; rip her brains raw with a chain saw.
Still remain all; ruthless to leave ya crew toothless.
Like two kids; acting stupid in a booth with.
The illest rappers around; quick damage ya town.
With hammers that pound an activist down.
You cat'll be ground, by my rhyme morter and pestle.
On-board with the best crew, dopium all gonna test you.
And yeah;
I'm at it again; back like an addict with pens.
Smackng ya friends; with these raps that offend.
Whether I slash or stab you depends; the bad habbits of men.

etc etc etc...
Hell no it doesent.....
But is that rap? Hell yes it is..

Its such an underground myth that rapping is like poetry.. Poetry uses words to describe and provoke feelings and emotions.. Rap lyrics use more real straight up language to get a point accross.. Thats not a personal preference, thats what THE MAJORITY of people enjoy hearing in rap songs. Underground junky net heads sometimes like it the other way around, but wow @ how small that target audience actually is..

Fact is..
If you rapped some poetry to a beat, it is extremily rare that it would sound any good as a song.. Just like if you spoke some rap lyrics as poetry, it is extremily rare it would work at all or appeal to a poetry audience..

Dont get it twisted..

^
I posted that with a 100% prediction you would qoute me and try make me seem insignifigant. I didnt even read you half assed wanna-b looking wise on the net post :)

^That is such a "oh shit I got proven wrong... act like hes talking shit to save face" type of post..

Me = looking wise on the net by posting the same way I would address that issue in real life

You = trying to save face infront of net people while pretending you dont care about what anyone over rapverse thinks..

Which one is worse..

LMAO. proven wrong? you stated your point of veiw. I believe rap is a form of poetry and rap can be accapella. You stated your opinion. There are no facts to what rap is. Its about personal expression to use it how you want.

bro you continuisly ryding me and tryna make me seem like I have no clue what Im talking about, you typed a bunch of generic bullshit,which happens to be YOUR PERSONAL POINT OF VEIW.
Nos, Not everyone thinks the same as you,and it doesnt make us wrong.

So I shall repeat,rap is poetry with or without a beat,rap can be accapella.

But your still original nostradamus the second :bored:

Go write poetry songs then and see how far it gets you in the rap industry buddy..:thumbup:

You may think of rap as a form of poetry, but in reality it isnt. Thats fact. Rap is very similar to poetry, but it just isnt poetry. Its the furthest type of music from poetry, when you think about it.

Anyway, anything could be considered poetry these days. They are even classifying some prose as poetry. But no matter how you look at it, poetry is poetry, and rap is rap. Poetry originated a long time ago... A very long time ago... rap is still very young. The first MCs didnt think to themselves "Hey, lets say some poetry out aloud in a very emotional and vibrant way while this DJ is doing his thing." They just talked over a beat, said it so it flowed, and made it rhyme.

You can rap poetically, but that doesnt mean rap is poetry. You could write a novel poetically... Doesnt make that novel poetry.

Slow down son, first of all I understand all of the aspects of hip hop probably more than you'll ever know. I've been an mc, part of a breaking crew, hip hop promoter, and basically involved with hip hop as long as I can remember. This thread was only a beginning to talk about the first aspects of hip hop, and if you wouldn't have jumped to conclusion and have heard the album I am referring to KRS speaks of all of the aspects of hip hop as well as different styles of hip hop. So next time sonny before you go jumping to conclusions, listen to the album I'm referring to first. And yes hip hop is all styles of music, it is mc'ing, it is break dancing, it is graffitti, it is djing, it is beat boxing, it is sooo much more that you are right on, you just should have dug a little deeper into the message I was trying to get across. For example if your teaching somebody to learn how to dive do you first show them how to do a tripel summersault with a twist, no first you teach them the basics of diving. My point was only to open some eyes to an album which in itself can help people understand the basic elements of hip hop and where it came from, this is a very educational album. Peace... :thumbup:

I look at that the other way around.
The first thing when teaching people something about a word such as hip hop which is drowned in endless debate by people of all backgrounds. Is to state the definition (The art of Djing, Breakdancing, Rapping, Graffiti and yeah, Beatboxing)..

Not untill the end of a lesson in your own words should you be listing references to albums and text's that support your case. Its the structure for any essay/teaching etc..

Thats my reason for assuming what I assumed.
But there is a mybad here because youve now shown yourself to be worthy of an opinion. Only wrong part in your post is: