Jinkies!

I will agree with one thing. People who have no formal education do watch the Discovery channel and think they understand "science". ehh ehhh The Discovery channel gives basic info at best. Then, their information is often biased and human centered. There's no substitute for a formal education in science.

NONE.

I'm sure lots of people here can tell you about what in vitro fertilization is. But, how many people here have actually done the procedure?

^^Things like that are invaluable. So, it kind of irks me when people toss out "opinions" about things they're not qualified to discuss. Opinions are opinions. Facts are facts.

^^You talk to people about "heaven". Have you ever died and been to heaven?

Then by your definition, you're "not qualified" to talk about heaven.

Ever met Jesus? thenn...by your definition.....

lol@apexx PRETENDING he didnt read my post then QUOTING things i said at the end (mumbo jumbo)....c'mon son isnt that a little pathetic?
obviously u arent getting my point.
my point is,you are talking about something u CANT BE SURE OF,no matter how many books you read,because even the SCIENTISTS who performed such experiments are still calling it a HYPOTHESIS and not a fact. but u want to act like you KNOW exactly what happens when there is not ONE person in this world who KNOWS what exactly happens when we die. period. u can list a zillion books,and journals and other sources. but each one is just SOMEONE'S hypothesis. u can AGREE with them,or BELIEVE thats the truth,but believing something thats merely a hypothesis,and it actually being PROVEN A FACT are two very different things.....
.....in simple terms,HOW exactly do u intend to PROVE what happens to ppl when they die? there is NO SUCH experiment that can be conducted that can determine that and call it a FACT. the results can only be called a hypothesis.....stop talking on the subject because we'll just be back to square one,u trying to prove something u CAN NOT POSSIBLY prove.
goodbye...again lol

Maybe you should respond to LK first because she's ready to lay into dat ass...lol


Am I qualified to discuss what the bible says? Maybe. There are courses in theology I could take and degrees I could earn. Can I prove to you heaven exists? NO. That's not my job. Did Jesus exist? From a historical stand point, yes. I believe he existed as much as I believe Alexander the great existed. Is Jesus the son of God? I believe so.

So, what's your point Apexx?

Oh...and for the record...I don't have a degree in theology but took courses in college on the bible. I've also been in church since I was a child and have been taught extensively on both the old and new testaments. Does that make me an expert? Probably not. But, I certainly understand much of the scripture and the context in which it was written.

...oh and what makes u believe i didnt "get myself knocked up" intentionally?
family is as important to me as education....do u know me? do u know how many years i spent in school? do you know what i'm doing with my life,what i do ,what i will be doing? no....i woudnt make those kind of assumptions if i were you....

....n one more thing,i dont know how u find the time to read as many books as u claim when u are on here 24/7 rofl...like u have nearly 5000 posts...
.......in 5 yrs there will be experiments that will prove what u are here fighting to prove, completely wrong...thats why THOSE scientists call it a hypothesis,so they can retract it if/when its proven wrong...n FOOLS like u are humiliated....

That's odd. didn't I say I read it and made it through the first half, skimmed the rest and saw your whole post was an attack? REAAAAAAAADDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The experiemnt wasn't a hypothesis lmao. AHAHAAHHAHA. An experiment would be the exact opposite of a hypothesis, BUT he hypothisized about what it is that might be leaving the body. What he DOES know is that it's etheric. what he dosen't know is if it has a conciousness. REAAAAAAAAAAAAAAADDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!

You think he's the only person to do this experiment? I coulda swore I said he wasn't. Maybe you "conveniently" ignored that part and hoped I'd forget. RRRREAAAAAAAAAAADDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD!!! <----wow, I seem to be repeating my self quite a bit.

I see your only "point" (though dull) is "you can't prove that! it's IMPOSSIBLE for you to prove that!!"
In your mind, it's already impossible that wht you consider is "unexplainable" could actually be explained. In my mind, nothing is unexplainable and there's no such thing as a "mystery" - there's an answer for everything since everything happens for a reason. I guess you were right, I really must be uneducated, because I don't know the meaning of the word "impossible". Everything's impossible till somebody does it.

Oh yeah, when faced with facts, people who want to hold onto anything they believe (such as your self) always run to the "hey, you can't prove that! you can't prove anything!" argument. Next you're gonna say "you can't even prove we exist".

BTW, a "human being" is a physical body, and contrary to your statement, everyone knows what happens to a "human being" after it dies. It decomposes and rots.... sooooo.........what on earth are you talking about??

Actually...I think a lot of issues are being crossed here. Some things are fact, point blank. Some things are a matter of faith or opinion. I think if people would speak specifically about what they're claiming or refuting, we wouldn't have this issue. And, Apexx was wrong for attacking you personally. This thread was about Ghosts. The last time I checked, everyone was entitled to his/her opinion. It just seems like a lot of people here are strong willed and aren't willing to consider other points of view. And, one of the true signs of "intelligence" is being able to consider other views without being threatened--i.e., what most scientists do through experimentation. If a hypothesis isn't supported, then they change a variable. It doesn't mean the hypothesis is immediately incorrect. It just means they haven't created the correct conditions for it to proceed as hypothesized.

Who said (or cares) if it were accidental or on purpose? You got knocked up. That was my point.

You got knocked up = fact.

You thinking I said it was accidential, which you can't quote for me since I never said it = YOUR assumption.

Is this where you try to justify and explain your self? why do you care so much what I think? Who gives a shit.




THEO-LOGY!!! THEORY is not FACT. If it were fact, it'd be called Factology. And like YYOOOOOUUUUUUUUUU said...if someone hasn't done it, then technically they're not qualified to talk about it right? So what qualifies you to talk about anything in the bible, you haven't done or personallywitnessed any of it, so by your own definition, you're not qualified to speak on it. Why are you contradicting your self? Studying theories for the rest of your life still proves aboslutely nothing. It's jsut a theory.




I've only been on this board a year and some change. Are you dumb enough to think that I stopped reading when I got on this board, or worse yet, that I've only been alive a year and some change??:huh:



The same experiments you just said would be "IMPOSSIBLE" to prove anything?? You just said it's impossible for science to prove anything about the soul, but now you magically predict that science will prove the exact opposite of what someone else already DID prove? And I'm supposed to accept your contradictory AND baseless statement as some forthcoming of fact?? right.

please put the pipe down.

BTW, "scientists" state something is a hypthesis when they can explain the consistent results. Not so they can retract a statement later down the road. Please learn how to read before you try to talk down to anyone about anything.

Or at least crack open a dictionary instead of cracking open your thighs :-X

..problem is,i'm not saying apexx is wrong,i'm saying he COULD be wrong...but he is so pig headed he thinks he read a few books and it SOUNDS RIGHT to him,or he is just so quick to get ANY answer because he MUST get an answer to EVERYTHING he doesnt even stay open to the idea that we,as humans,may not have that answer. maybe not now,or ever.
...point remains is,can u prove that god doesnt exist,that there arent demons and spirits all around us,that there isnt a heaven on hell? u cant....maybe they dont exist,but maybe they do...
can u prove that the millions of ppl who have experienced something that made them believe in god are all faking,or wrong ,or just thinking they experienced something? no...maybe 90% of them are wrong...but can u really be so ignorant as to say ALL of them are?
...what if,God is a "creature" from another planet that we,humans,dont have the technology to reach...what if God is a much more sophisticated "creature" more advanced...what if,we are merely a science experiment to a creature on another planet? what if ants are to humans as we are to God? ...this is just something i'm throwing at u just to show u that u cant POSSIBLY act like u know everything about life,this world ,including what happens when we die....n i'm not talking about what happens to our physical bodies,yes we rot etc. but our souls...if anything happens at all..maybe nothing does,who knows? u sure as hell dont....

yeah, you're right. I'm wrong for attacking her personally, but she's not wrong for attacking me personally.

yay.

I love giving people high dosages of their own medicine.

And you're right about how hypothesies actually DO work. The experiment listed was put in place to test and see if matter leaves the body after a human dies, which was successfully proven. The hypothesis is if this matter has a conciousness or not, which he's not sure of since he couldn't exactly sit ether down for an interview lol. nahm sayin?

Apexx...that logic is so BAss Ackwards it's not even funny. A "technique" verses "information" are two different things. Studying the bible is often a lesson in history, learning what happened before. In vitro fertilization is a technique that's used for a specific purpose. A person can learn about the history of an event and the context of it to discuss it. But, as with many people on RV, they act as experts on scientific principles, techniques, and theories even though they have a limited education on them. That's the point.

I didn't say you couldn't discuss it. I just said that it is annoying when people discuss things and give misinformation, WRONG information, and flat out BAD information. If they don't know, fine, learn it. If they don't want to learn, then they should shut up. I don't have to have lived during 2000B.c.E. to recount what happened. THat's a moot point because NO ONE who was alive back then is alive now. However, I can learn about that period in time to present a valid and corroborated argument, not just running my mouth like most of the people on this site like to do.


So, again, I don't see your point.

False. You said I AM wrong. And your crystal balls told you that in 5years a scientist will come foward and "prove me wrong". Sorry, I hold WAY more value in someone's actual documented research than I do in your assumptions, guesses, and theories and "what ifs".

If that makes me "pig headed" or an asshole, dickhead, etc, then I'm all that.

toodles!!

oh wow,u really told me there,wow i have a son ,n i'm crackin open my thighs cuz i had a son,and because i'm in a relationship?
i can turn right around and ask u,do u not have sex when u are in a relationship? do u not plan on having children one day?will that take away what u know?or from ur education?
....thats what MOST ppl do,have families in life,the ones that want one,n i happen to be one of them....does it mean i dont have an education because i have a family?does it make me any less intelligent? i dont think so....
u 've been defeated and u are attacking things about me that are completely irrelevant to this topic...what does me having a son have to do with ghosts? lol u sound like a complete retard