There you go, trying to name a cause and effect.

Cause: Sex

Was the cause sex? What caused the sex? What caused the cause of the sex? Why wasnt the cause the fertilization of the egg by the sperm?

Effect: Childbirth

Was it? You could say the effect was pregnancy. You could say the effect was a loss of money due to the cost of raising a child.

What cause and effect does, is pick two tiny little parts of a continuous flow, and label one a cause and the other an effect. Sure, maybe the cause is A cause, and the effect is AN effect, but they are not THE cause and effect. We label these things, and then we forget that we did it, and we are left with a puzzle. What is the actual cause, or the actual effect? What makes these events lead to eachother? In reality, we never even had to call events causes or effects in the first place, because there are no seperate events.

Life moves along like water in a river. It is all connected, just as the river is connected to it's mouth and the ocean, and all of the "events" or things going on are like whirlpools in the stream. Because you go there today, and you see a whirlpool. You go there tomorrow, and you see a whirlpool... But it isnt the same whirlpool, because all the water is changing every second. What is happening is not what we should call A whirlpool... It is more like a "whirlpooling," it is an activity, not a thing. In this way, every so called "thing" can be called an event. A house is not a house, its a "housing," a cat is not a cat, its a "catting." We look at a flame and say, there is a flame on top of that candle, when it would be more correct to say there is a "flaming" on top of that candle.

We do not need the idea of causality to describe how a prior event influences a following event, because it just flows.

ANY events cause can be traced back to the beginning of time. Like a child who behaves badly, he might say "well its not my fault, my parents brought me up badly." When you go to the parents they say their parents brought them up badly, and you cant go to hassle the grandparents because theyre dead, but if you could it would trace all the way back to adam and eve eating the fruit in the garden of eden. And you could ask her and she'd say "Oh, it wasnt my fault, the serpent persuaded me to eat the fruit." Then you could go to the serpent and say "Why did you make eve eat that fruit?" ... And he would probably wink. He knows that the present is the cause of everything, and the past does NOT drive the present, if anything, the PRESENT drives the PAST.

In actual life, the idea of cause and effect is useless. It's only use is naming the shallow causes and effects that we pick out of a continous, eventual flow completely arbitrarily.

In that post, youve said that cause and effect is a misconception because there is more than one section of cause and effect happening at the same time.


What I did was label and innitial cause, the reason a baby came out of said woman, was because at some point in time she had sex. (ignoring artificial insemination for argument sake) The reasons 'why' she had sex have nothing to do with a baby comming out, although they are connected in the sense that they happened in a long line of cause and effects leading up to when the spoof squirted into her poon and started looking for an egg to fetalise..

Later, the egg was firtalised, and the effect of that was a fetus began to grow.. continually spawning new causes and new effects.

Sorry man, but you just played yourself in your own argument...

Yes things happen on a continious line, similtaniously even, but there will always be a cause and an effect. Because if there wasnt, there would be no event.

Just like, if I was to punch you in the head for absolutly no reason. That would be the cause of pain you experience afterwards. If a car engine blew up, there would also be an underlying cause for that to happen. If a tree falls down in the middle of a forest, there would be a cause for that to happen.

And so on.

Its not an irrelevant phenomenon at all.

Why does time move forward? Because things change ever so slightly due to new events occuring right before our eyes. There is no 'present', because time is a compleatly human fabricated concept, we measure our time on many things, from pendulum swings, to the period of measured time the earth takes to rotate around the sun formulated by made up counting systems.

Trust me man, I basically just finished reading a thick ass book on the history of human time measurement and its origins... If there is a cause that leads to an effect, something has obviously changed therefore an occurance in the past has altered the state of future we exist in.


.........Yep...

Cause and effect is a useless concept because it is describing two parts of the same thing as two completely different things. There is no event that causes an event, there is no event that is caused by an event, there is no cause and effect which makes up one event, all there is is the eventuality of existence.

Cause: Movement of your fist.
Effect: Pain in my head.

Frankly, who gives a shit. You punched me in the head. That event came out of nowhere, occured, and then dissolved into nothing. BANG! There it is. Now it's gone. Cause? The cause can be traced back until the beginning of time. Effect? Me losing a few brain cells. Maybe I didn't go out because I had a headache, which meant my car wasnt in the traffic, which meant somebody somewhere crashed because he wasn't a few seconds later, or maybe somebody was slightly earlier which meant they ate sooner, which meant they got out of there sooner and went to work and made it on time so their boss wasnt angry and if he was angry he would have taken his anger out on something, which would have led to something else, which would have lead to something else, and so on.

Its like an infinte web of events meant that at that exact moment you punched me in the head, and because of that event another infinite web of events will occur.

Yes. Cause and effect does exist, you could name one cause and on effect of something. But its useless to do that. You are looking through this tiny little narrow lens, focusing on something completely insignificant in the entire scheme of things.

Why does time move forward? Because everything is changing ever so slightly because of little tiny events that happen before our eyes? No... Is time even moving forward? That is part of the complete man-made misconception that you mentioned later in that paragraph. On the contrary, the only thing that does exist is the present. Things dont "change slightly" things are "changing." The entire universe comes straight at us every single moment, BANG BANG BANG continuously, forming "now." All we do is try to logically string it together, stringing events together, when actually existence IS the event. Existence is constantly changing, the present is constantly changing, the only thing that does matter is the present, because the present creates both the "past" and the "future."

Close your eyes for a second, and experience reality through your ears. You will notice that every sound just suddenly pops out of nowhere, then dissolves back into silence. Now, you might say but there is one continuous sound, my computer is making noise constantly. But at some point it wouldnt have been, and at some point it will stop making noise. You have no idea when, it will just stop some time when you decide to turn it off.

Its harder to see this with your vision, because everything appears static. When actually, it is coming out of nowhere, straight at you now, and then dissipating into the past and your memory. BANG. And reality flows in this way, sort of like a vibration. Like a light bulb's light, which appears static but isnt.

Cause and effect is an irrelevant concept that attempts to define an event through our narrow ideas of reality. There is no cause and effect, there is only now, which is one continuously flowing event.

word to that.

what do you think of the other coordinate of 3D existance, 'space' OMBizzle? we concieve that all things consume a 'space' when string theory shows that in reality nothing other than gravity has any substance or density at all. There's numerous other universes, nebulae etc less than a millimeter away from you, vibrating on frequencies you and your 3D existance do not.

Hmmm... All that stuff is interesting. But I don't really concern myself too much with it. I have space to stretch, and my bed fits nicely into its space in the corner.

1st of all, the principle of causality will be shattered as soon as Milgrom and Wang's new physics obliterate Einstein's theories.

^^Well, that may not happen. However, events happening before the cause have been shown to happen in lab, to some extent.

Don't fool yourself though. Consequences, positive or not, are a result of a culmination of events, starting on a molecular level.





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