^ Well then, maybe you should read up on why this worked in favor of the Bush administration.

Shear, have you noticed anything about the oil prices? And uhm, do you see a link there? That's just one thing...

Just so you guys know, there are other buildings that have collapsed from eternal fires. Why don't you look at things like "9-11 conspiracy theory contradictions" and things as well? Some of them are loaded with fact, one of them that I read pointing out every single flaw in almost every word of the Loose Change video. Such as steel has 3/4ths of its strength reduced when a certain temperature burns it, the temperature being present at that time but not high enough to melt the steel.

But, in history, you learn the US never stops faking their way into wars...Fort Sumter, I think it was, was build in Confederate territory and sparked the Civil War. Lincoln ordered it. San Juan river, I believe; built a little base there on what Mexicans claimed was their territory of Texas, and we had a little rumble over that until America won all of Texas territory.

Good times.

ok name a steel frame buiding the size of the WTC that fell from fire in a few hours.........and loose change isnt the only say in the issue of 9/11theres so much more than that, thats just a video thats helping to make people consider the possibilty. but back to the buildings and fires many many witnesses heard explosions well after the fires had died down, coming from the lower levels, no where near the initial point of impact

even news anchors 1st thought when the towers went down was that it was similar to a controlled demolition
peep
http://prisonplanet.tv/articles/sep...ddemolition.htm
in their own words, supported by video evidence
everybodies 1st thought was a demolition not some bullshit pancake theory
if the structure sagged and the building collapsed floor by floor due to the fire, it wouldve took longer to fall, it took 10 seconds for the north tower to fall completely on its on blueprint, 10 seconds for a buiding with plus 100 floors to collapse......how can this be w/o it being a controlled demolition? tell me

also in photos you'll see massive steel beams,as each tower collapsed you'll see these beams ejected UPWARDS as the buildings fell, can a fire also cause these massive steel beams to go UP, while everything else fell on its self?
or is it more likely that explosives inside played a part?
and how would the you explain WTC 7 falling a few hours later with NO fires burning with in it?
http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/wtc_fire.htm
peep this if you still believe the fire theory

Fuck 9 11 if you ask me...and the reason y I say that is because 9 11 is just a phony act of patriotism. every year every one act all united,then tha very next day its back to tha way shit was b4 9 11...everybody going their own way,back to racism and wat not...9 11 is phony

cuz people are tired of the same ol same ol
same big promises by Bush to protect us
but yet he wont secure the borders
people can tell hes fulla shit so you dont see the same unitedness you saw 5 years ago
people just see war and more war, then you got Iran.......
if he cant get Iraq straightened out by now, if Israel cant topple Hizbollah weak ass
wtf makes them think they fucking with Iran, North Korea etc
our troops are stretched too thin
people are fed up, more protesting
and Bush continues to ignore us
somebody suck his dick so we can impeach him

I can't, because not many buildings the size of the WTC have been hit with airplanes. There probably are more or less some, and even the ones who did have internal fires but did not collapse still had different factors to be added.



Uhm...there are other things that explode than a building itself...transformers, generators, whatever. Well after the fires had died down? Why would they set off bombs after the fires have died down?



Yeah bro, because a lot of people know the difference between a demolition and a building collapsing because of a plane crashing into it. SIMILIAR to a demolition; yeah, it would be similiar to a demolition because in both times, two buildings explode and crumple to the ground. You're honestly going to tell me that these people, who are spiked full of adrenaline and fear after seeing a great National Landmark collapse, are going to be able to logically differentiate a building collapsing via airplane (which I somehow doubt they have seen before) and a demolition (which probably less than 4% have witnessed).



http://www.loosechangeguide.com/LooseChangeGuide.html



http://www.loosechangeguide.com/LooseChangeGuide.html

That'll have all that good old factual information going against what you say, and probably all of your other points as well. So, you're telling me, the government with its nearly unlimited power within its own country, would not have the intelligence to be able not let all of their shit to contradict itself? I doubt someone spontaneously announced, "LET'S BOMB OUR SHIT", and then they did no calculations. If they had set up bombs, they probably would've known the fact that, uh, I don't know, the majority of America would see what happened?



http://www.loosechangeguide.com/LooseChangeGuide.html

There you are.

just out of curiosity
you tell jack his video link isnt sufficient to back his opinion
and then you go and make your argument based on.......a video link?
but besides that i guess we'll agree to disagree
i cant change your mind you cant change mine
its all good though, at least we're discussing it openly

No, we won't agree to disagree. I didn't give him a video link, I gave him a website full of references from experts, articles citing that they were misquoted by the creator of the video, blueprints, size comparisons, and just brimming with explanations that are scientifically sound. There's kind of a difference between PROVEN FACT and speculation based off similies like "it sounded like a bomb" from people who would have absolutely no idea what the fuck a massive building hit by a plane would sound like.

That'll refute every point you have, I guarantee it. If not, there is an explanation.

im reading it as we speak

but i need an answer to this question
if theres nothing to hide, and the gov't did nothing wrong and its all explanable in that site
then why does our gov't refuse to let an independent investigation take place? why did they ship the steel from the WTC ruins to foreign countries shortly after before investigators could run tests on them? why the secrecy?
if they can dispel people like me who doubt the official story
why not just come out and do it and give the people what they want
they want the unedited film of the pentagon crash, w/o frames removed of the plane crashing into it, but instead they confiscated all public cameras that caught the footage. why?
if theres nothing to hide, why not just let the people satisfy their curiosity and take a look for themselves?

Why don't you Google it? I'm not the one obsessed with conspiracy theories here. Can you please offer me a legitimate source that states that there are no individual investigations? You know, not from a CT site?

im not obsessed with conspiracy theories.............you cant discredit someones belief by calling it a conspiracy theory<----is for people who believe all that crazy shit like aliens whatnot
i dont believe that
i believe that what im told isnt the whole truth and
im interested in getting it
i believe we're in a war with 2 countries that are still going and costing us BILLIONS of dollars a year BECAUSE of this war on terror which is a direct result of 9/11

so if this war which is costing american taxpayers, and thousands of american soldiers, let alone Iraqi and Afghanistan lifes...so if this war is based on 9/11 and the terrorists attacks from that day
i believe the gov't better make damn sure we're satisfied with their version of the truth
we are paying for it
so i respect your opinions but i have a right to probe and question until they satisfy my questions

Yes, you can. Read the counter-arguments to the conspiracy theorist claims. The correct term is conspiracy theorist because, they have theories about conspiracies. It's not a derogatory term. I'd assumed that you were one, though you aren't; and yes, I do not like the "War on Terrorism", but I'm looking at how many facts that are proven wrong. I'll also look at other conspiracy theorist sites and anti-sites. You can keep reading that site to see how much shit is actually explained, which probably destroys about 90% of most arguments. :)

alright cool
good conversation