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Emotion 01-22-04 06:25 AM

mmm it doesnt worry me as long as they dont kiss in public...And as long ads there not aloud to adopt kids i mean can u imagine having to choose wich ones mummy and whose dady?

Kwizikal 01-22-04 06:39 AM

On the whole....Not bein discrinative to gays...But
they Knok me ill as fuck...Its not natural at all
Shud be outlawed.....lol.................

inspire 01-22-04 08:25 AM

Bleh.. Totalitarianism is stupid bounce.. I don't feel like arguing law right now.. But it's stupid.

Gunman tha Great 01-22-04 10:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Emotion
mmm it doesnt worry me as long as they dont kiss in public...And as long ads there not aloud to adopt kids i mean can u imagine having to choose wich ones mummy and whose dady?


They are already allowed to adopt kids, and if they can date then its their right to make out in public, just don't fucking long is that hard 2 do?

bouncedoggydog 01-22-04 12:41 PM

Is anyone other than the End grasping my logic here? I never once made the statement that guy's shouldn't get the same and equal rights as everyone else. I only stated the repercusions of altering the definition of marriage. What do you guy's not understand about that? Necro, do you really thik I would stand behind a logic that would conclude slavery should still be legal, that's an entirly different issue. Do you not see the problems we will face from those few radicals who would seek to perverse the grey area's opened by redefining marriage? It's very obvious, and yet none of you seem to understand my concerns. You guy's attack my intellegence, fire off with assine comments and chose to interpet my statements as oppresive. That is just wrong,. I am making valid claim, changing the constitutional clause of marriage for the good of a few, contrast the sentiments of the majority. I am I not correct here? Of course I am, why else do you suppose those who are pushing this, do not want it to be placed on a ballot? ecause the majority of Americans would not vote to make a change to the definiton. Yet everyone in the Administration agrees that allowing same sex partners the very same benifits of married couples is feasable. This can be done via legislation with out changng our constituion. Right now, the people of America wish to keep the definiton the same. If and or when the majority decides it has no problems redefining marriage, then you can have a contitutional change. At the moment, more oppose such a change, by a very large margin. Since when do we allow the agenda of so few, alter the course of so many? I do not see any valid arguements from any of you. Although you guy's have such a compasion for your fellow humans, that I can really respect. I am not talking about exterminating gay's, I was simply saying the American people are not ready for that change. At the same time, I was describing the type of trouble we would have, since our legal/police infulstructure are not equiped to handle this. It would cause a mess of litigation, from those who seek to have thier life styles normalized as well. I am concerned, just as our founding father were, hence the definition they drafted into our constituion. It's a protection from such issue's as I described in my first post. I really do not understand the comotion these statements I made here caused. I had several politcal figures here over look my statements , and not a one could extract a valid argement from the RB opposition. Compasion was recognized, and emotion was detected, yet no grounds to assult my very accurate and valid points. Even those pushing for this change understand the consequences of the change, and are working a drafts/language that would help instutute this change. Even the radicals, understand that a can of worms will be opened, and are tying to finds ways to eliminate the grey area. Now not a one of you can tell me this is not a concern. I swear sometimes we allow our emotion to over rule our logic. I do love your compassion RB, it's just misdirected on this issue, but I am sure you will see my true intent here. It was not to slam the life style or even hender it, it was to expose the problems such actions would cause. I hope you kids could understand me position a bit more now.

Respect..

Lethargic 01-22-04 12:46 PM

Due to my level of homophobia, I have a very biased opinion here. So, I won't even begin to comment on the subject. This board doesn't have enough bandwidth. The only thing I'll say...


Sodom and Gamorrah.

varentao 01-22-04 06:59 PM

Yer point was understood from the start, Bounce. Hence the 'question is society ready' comment. But some people seem to be missing the point in terms of 'homosexuals wanting to integrate into mainstream marriage'. So the other side's point was in need of being highlighted.

But, to once again play 'devil's advocate' of sorts. Hasn't the American constitution been ammended before AGAINST the will of the majority? Could they not drag it through the storm of opposition that'd follow? Or is state of America too unstable (relatively at least) to do such a thing at this moment. With all that is going on and all..

Is the majority of people against all that well informed? Would you agree with extra education on homosexuality and marriage to help balance it out? And therefore maybe enable them to make 'better thought out' choices n opinions? Or is the stigma attached to all this going to make it a boundary virtually impossible to look past for so many?

And does all this suggest that the new legislation which'll give homosexuals rights, is a step TOWARDS mainstream marriage for them? And should be seen as going forward...building foundations before something on top? Patience is key? Crawl before run? Gradual rather than sudden?

Hmmmm

-Zone Out- 01-22-04 07:05 PM

gay men should be taken out in a feild and slaughtered like animals...fuck gay men(not in a gay way)..they are disgusting and should be spitted on in public..

-Zone Out- 01-22-04 07:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Lethargic


Sodom and Gamorrah.

yes yes nyes..God wiped out this whole city because of those gay fuckers..and if gays start to get married..then God will be angered and forced to wipe us out..

The Necromancer 01-22-04 11:48 PM

1 - Sodom and Grimorrah was wiped about because they were sinners of various forms. Why... swear words are forbidden. My question to you Dixie Normous is how can you have the words "So Fuck You!!" in your signature and still have anything against homosexuals? That's hypocritical.

2 - Bounce... I think personally, is my biggest problem with your argument has nothing at all to do with homosexuality. But simple politics of amerikkka.

It was said best when it was said as this: "Democracy is the theory that the people know what they want, and deserve to get it good and hard."

Now, we are a republic. Which merely means that we have people representing the people and it isn't that much different. The biggest problem I have is simply this: The American people are idiots and don't know what the fuck is the best for them. For example, diet. America has the worst diet in existence. Spear chuckers in Africa drinking cows blood are healthier than we are. I am, as I write this, eating from a bag of m&ms. And not just any, but a pound bag of them. If Americans can't even keep a decent diet, how the fuck are the people going to run a country?

Now, I'm not saying we should become a monarchy... I have a lot of ideas on how a country should be ran though. But unfortunetly it is irrelevant.

The people of America are the stupidest people in existence. They can't even fucking hold a cup of fucking coffee without spilling it on themselves and suing McDonalds. Hell, they can't even eat a cheeseburger without suing McDonalds.

I personally, believe that marriage between homosexuals is a good thing. One, they can't reproduce naturally and will have to adopt. Couples need to adopt, it's better to grow up in a gay family than in no family. One might think there is a problem of "But who's mommy and who's daddy?" thing going on, but it's been settled in the past with couples before. So it's not a problem.

I also feel that it will be one step closer to acceptance of homosexuals as actual people. Now yes, this is an emotion statement as you've said. But quite frankly, further acceptance of homosexuals will lead to less hate crimes. It's not something that can be stopped or stamped out, true, but it can be weakened. I feel that for weakening the haters, that is reason alone to allow such marriages.

Quite frankly, you're right in that American people are not ready for such a change. But not only are the American people not ready to go on a diet, they weren't ready to give colored folk seperate but equal rights. Some Americans still are not ready and still go about their hatrediful ways (kkk). But colored folk needed those rights regardless of what the American people want a long time before they ever actually got those rights.

The homosexual people for a long time in our past had little rights. If you were a known homosexual you couldn't get a federal job. Over time, they have gotten a lot of their rights back so that they can legally be considered humans again. But they still have a ways to go. I think the American people are not ready, but I also think it doesn't matter. Shit happens, and it's past due for them to get rights.

K.Largo 01-23-04 12:05 AM

talking about this I was vacationing over the weekend in Miami. decided to have a walk around town and went to ocean drive. The women were off just everywhere beautiful sexy u name it. but as i kept walking i happen to see two older guys making out. now this fucking upset my stomach it was just nasty.

now I agree with bounce, over millions of years marrige is marrige. man and a woman.
why change it. if they want to live together good..

now everyone is focusing on the men side what about lesbians.
is that more correct because it's girl doing it?.

Wise Ways 01-23-04 12:19 AM

Its adam and eve.. not adam and steve...
Fucka gay marriage

Phoeniix 01-23-04 12:21 AM

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Originally Posted by bouncedoggydog
I think you missed the point there. It's not so much the idea of gays getting married, but changing the constitutional definition of marriege it'self, that worries me and those like bush. Never should the views of so little dictate and or manipulate the laws put into place by the majority. I think we should stick with the majority, and the majority in this country do not want the definiton of marriage to be changed by activist judges. I mean thnk about the repercussions this will have on our way of life and society. One who's to say that if a male or female couple is able to reep the benifits of a married couple(man and woman) then who to say that a man and his girl (not married) shouldn't? Not only does that open several gray area's as this. It also undermines the institution of mariage. Don't get me wrong, Im not against gay couples being able to share benifits and live together as a couple. I just do not see any reason what so ever to change the definiton of marriege from a man and a women, to that of any combination you can think of. Where is it going to stop, these grey areas, are going to become very troublesome. Who's to say (if the current definition is changed) that a man and a boy can't get married. The laws were drafted ariound the definiton of marriege in our constitution. They were purposely written in a way to protect society from these tyoes of abominations. Pediophiles would be next in line to alter the text, and what about paligamy? Shit would be crazy, people woulld no longer have any marital bounderies, people would be paried uo with sheep walking down the isle just to reep the benifits. Which in turn would devistate this countries economy and social morality. I for one stand behind the president on this isue, and if you do not see the logic there, then hit me up and we can disscuss this indepth. Why can't gay couples live together and our governemnt offer them protection and benifits wthout changing the defiinitons. That is what Bush was syaing, so I do not understand those that talk out thier ass about the situation. You need to look deeper into the issue. I am an active politician and this has ben a pressing issue with me. I hope you can understand my jibberish, I typed it fast and did not spell check.


bounce, what do you care if the definition of marriage is changed? its not leading to chaotic pedephile incestual marriage or anything like that. its a step towards liberation and equal rights for all people.

when we abolished slavery, people must of been scared...oh no...blacks will break out and the n****** will fuck up our country..bla bla bla.

its all called progression

our consitution has formed in a way to be able to change with the times. as generations pass the interpretation of our laws and constitution shifts to appease new ideas.

today, homosexuality is becoming more of an open concept. legalizing gay marriage would only be a step in the right direction towards equal rights.

the whole "if we do this..what will come next!!" excuse is rationalist unrealistic bullshit justification that your mind creates to make sure you dont realize..."oh shit i might be prejudice or ignorant." legalizing gay marriage is not a step towards anything immoral or disgusting. how can 2 ppl of the same sex marrying compare to a brother and sister marrying any more than a heterosexual man and a heterosexual woman marrying. we are all just humans. we have laws against incest....pedephiles....and other immoral behavior. but as the times are a changing.....people are begginning to realize.....(slowly but surely, according to some of these posts)... that homosexuality does not rank with incest and pedliphilia and fucked up shit like that. it is okay! dont trip about it, it does not effect you at all.

what is marriage anyways, man?? its a bond of financial bullshit! thats all it is. our government does not take a role in major because of love or religion or anyting like that. marriage is a legal issue because it involves money: merging of income...trusts...inheritance...all economic financial bullshit. i could give a fuck about what marriage has to do with love and the fucking bible on a political level...our government shouldnt either..especially our president.

C-Section 01-23-04 12:25 AM

it doesnt matter to me.

im not a religous person, so i dont care about it from that veiw.

if they want to be married who cares. does it affect your life in anyways? no.

we have people in chuch fucking kids, im more worried about that, then i am fags getting married. we havea fag in one of the top spots in chuch so why cant they get married in one?

if they want to live theire life never knowing how great pussy is thats thats their choice. has nothing to do with me so i could careless

prophacyz 01-24-04 08:52 PM

originally posted by dixie normous
gay men should be taken out in a feild and slaughtered like animals...fuck gay men(not in a gay way)..they are disgusting and should be spitted on in public..[/i[

^just goes to show just how fuckin ignorant u are....and to make things worse, you make urself look like a bigger fuckin ass by sayin....

[i]Quote:
Originally Posted by Lethargic



Sodom and Gamorrah.

yes yes nyes..God wiped out this whole city because of those gay fuckers..and if gays start to get married..then God will be angered and forced to wipe us out..


-Zone Out- 01-24-04 11:53 PM

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Originally Posted by The Necromancer
My question to you Dixie Normous is how can you have the words "So Fuck You!!" in your signature and still have anything against homosexuals? That's hypocritical.


no it's not..and besides..you are an idiot if you cant see that I'm playing around..it's a SIG....not my sexual preference..I know you know what I mean..so in return to calling my hypocritical..I'm calling you a moron..

-Zone Out- 01-24-04 11:58 PM

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Originally Posted by prophacyz

^just goes to show just how fuckin ignorant u are....and to make things worse, you make urself look like a bigger fuckin ass by sayin....


first of all..learn how to quote before calling my an ass..second of all..gays are disgusting..they have no morals..listen to the media and pay attention..I know people that have been raped..because their attacker was gay..all gays should cease to exist..that not suppose to be around..when God made Eve not Steve..he made a female for a male..he didnt say Adam..I will make you a male..then if they are allowed to get married the situation will end up getting worse..because then they are going to start adopting children..and kids dont need to see that nasty shit..but it's going to affect the kidfs..then the kids are going to be gay..then they are going to go to school and make some friends of there gay..and so on ..Homosexuals are like virusus..like desieases..and should be wiped out as soon as possible..

end of fucking story...

The Necromancer 01-25-04 03:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Dixie Normous
no it's not..and besides..you are an idiot if you cant see that I'm playing around..it's a SIG....not my sexual preference..I know you know what I mean..so in return to calling my hypocritical..I'm calling you a moron..



I said that because swear words are forbidden according to the bible.

Homosexuality isn't.

-Zone Out- 01-25-04 03:07 AM

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Originally Posted by The Necromancer
I said that because swear words are forbidden according to the bible.

Homosexuality isn't.

WTF?..are you stupid?..are you a retard..homosexuality IS banned..being gay is a sin..now out of the 66 books in the Bible..where did you get being gay is not a sin from?..huh?..and evidently you dont read the Bible..because cursing isnt a sin..when he say swear he means swear on God..not..swear/fuck/shit/bitch..man..you try to say smart shit..but you are such a dumpster baby..

The Necromancer 01-25-04 03:12 AM

Than I'm sure you wouldn't mind finding a verse or something that says homosexuality is bad.

And don't bother with Sodom and Grimorrah.

http://www.religioustolerance.org/hom_bibg.htm

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Many believe that texts in Genesis and the rest of the Bible make it clear that Sodom was punished because of the violent, abusive, inhospitable, greedy, and unsympathetic behavior of its citizens towards visitors, widows, the poor and other disadvantaged persons. Genesis 19 may condemn homosexual rape simply because it is rape. It would then be consistent with Deuteronomy 22:25-29 which condemns heterosexual rape. The passage does not impact on consensual homosexual activities between consenting adults, and is totally unrelated to loving, committed, same-sex relationships, civil unions and marriages.


Quite frankly, your inhospitible behavior towards me is a bad thing. I'm suprised God hasn't turned you into a pillar of salt.

I'll have you know I don't just read the bible, but I also try and understand it. I don't just look at the text, but I look at the story behind the text.

The Necromancer 01-25-04 03:22 AM

Ok, as for swearing... I just did some research and you may think twice about swearing and foul language.

Matthew 15:1:1 "Not that which goeth into the mouth defileth a man; but that which cometh out of the mouth, this defileth a man."

Matthew 15:17-20: "Do not ye yet understand, that whatsoever entereth in at the mouth goeth into the belly, and is cast out into the draught?

18 But those things which proceed out of the mouth come forth from the heart; and they defile the man.

19 For out of the heart proceed evil thoughts, murders, adulteries, fornications, thefts, false witness, blasphemies:

20 These are the things which defile a man: but to eat with unwashen hands defileth not a man."

Colosians 3:8 But now ye also put off all these; anger, wrath, malice, blasphemy, filthy communication out of your mouth. 9 Lie not one to another, seeing that ye have put off the old man with his deeds;

10 And have put on the new man, which is renewed in knowledge after the image of him that created him."

Matthew 5:37: "But let your communication be, Yea, yea; Nay, nay: for whatsoever is more than these cometh of evil."

Matthew 12:34-36: "O generation of vipers, how can ye, being evil, speak good things? for out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaketh. 35 A good man out of the good treasure of the heart bringeth forth good things: and an evil man out of the evil treasure bringeth forth evil things. 36 But I say unto you, That every idle word that men shall speak, they shall give account thereof in the day of judgment."
Psalm 19:14: "Let the words of my mouth, and the meditation of my heart, be acceptable in thy sight, O LORD, my strength, and my redeemer."

-Zone Out- 01-25-04 03:32 AM

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Originally Posted by The Necromancer
Than I'm sure you wouldn't mind finding a verse or something that says homosexuality is bad.

And don't bother with Sodom and Grimorrah.

http://www.religioustolerance.org/hom_bibg.htm



Quite frankly, your inhospitible behavior towards me is a bad thing. I'm suprised God hasn't turned you into a pillar of salt.

I'll have you know I don't just read the bible, but I also try and understand it. I don't just look at the text, but I look at the story behind the text.

I just got a few comments to make..

1.Thou shall not lie with mankind as with womenkind.It is an abomination.
Read Leviticus chapter 18 verse 22.
To translate it means that a man shouldnt do things with another man that he do with women.Boyah.

2.I read the Bible also.And my favorite book so happens to be Revelation.The book you are prolly scared to read.

3 finally..are you a fag or something?..because you sure are defending gays really tuff and you went and quoted something from a christian gay website..and..thats just...ewwwww..

btw..Checkmate..

-Zone Out- 01-25-04 04:05 AM

If a man also lies with mankind as he lieth with a woman,both of them have commited an abomination.They shall surely be put to death and their blood should be upon them.-Lev.20~13...

thats the whole thing...

prophacyz 01-25-04 04:35 PM

first off dick head (dixie), just because someone is gay doesn't mean that they are going to have gay sex every fuckin day, every fuckin place in the fuckin world...and especially in front of kids...i know gay people they are just like every other fuckin normal human being in the world EXCEPT for the MINOR fact that they happened to be attracted to the same sex. now, my religion frowns on it, but i don't have a fuckin problem with it...

wogzta 01-25-04 09:44 PM

Gay people can get married if they want, I dont have a problem with them... its their life, they can do whatever they want

And everyone who hates fags are usually the ones whose life gets fucked up when they find out one of their friends or family is gay

-Zone Out- 01-25-04 10:10 PM

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Originally Posted by prophacyz
first off dick head (dixie), just because someone is gay doesn't mean that they are going to have gay sex every fuckin day, every fuckin place in the fuckin world...and especially in front of kids...i know gay people they are just like every other fuckin normal human being in the world EXCEPT for the MINOR fact that they happened to be attracted to the same sex. now, my religion frowns on it, but i don't have a fuckin problem with it...



you just contradicted yourself..DICKHEAD..the point isnt them having gay sex.. the point is them being gay..get that through you alls head..BEING GAY = GOING TO HELL = A SIN..doesnt matter of you have sex every single day..if you have sex period with the same sex it's a sin..even if it's just once..

and Wogsta..there are gay people in my family..I stay the fuck away from them..I dont even speak their..and a matter of fact that one particualr family is in jail for raping a 14 year old boy..thats why I hate gay people..he raped a 14 year old boy..a boy about my age..and I could fill that child's pain..a boy..being raped by a man..it disgusts me..and it's triflin..and if I found out that one of my friend's was gay I will distant myself away from him also..but..I know I dont have a gay friends..because I know they have girlfriends..and I know they get pussy..

and like I said earlier..it's a sin to be gay..look in the Bible..if your God dont like anything you're not suppose to like it either..or you're disagreeing with your God..

wogzta 01-25-04 10:29 PM

^ you have a lot to learn, my friend. You would distant yourselves from the ones you love, and the most important people in your life because of the simple fact that they are gay? The people that you shared your life with once, just because of their sexual preference?

You've got to see that you are incredibly prejudiced. You say a man raped a 14 year old boy... what does that have to do anything? Would it be better if he raped a 14 year old girl? Rape is a crime and a sin no matter what the sexuality of the criminal is.

You are being very prejudiced - if some gay people do things like this, does that necessarily mean they all do? Whether you like to believe it or not, most homosexuals are normal, well adjusted people. That's just like saying because Hitler was a racist criminal all Germans are doomed to the same fate. I know this is not true, because Germany was the main taker of refugees in my country - they took 50,000-100,000 people from my country and gave them freedom in Germany.

And I also think you are contradicting yourself. I'll probably cop some flack from you, but I am NOT Christian, I am a Muslim. We have different religions, but the premise is the same. Islam also frowns on homosexuality, but it also teaches respect for all people no matter what their sins or preferences are - because thats exactly what it is - THEIR preferences, it has nothing to do with you. I'm pretty sure the Bible teaches the same thing.

"Judge not lest ye be judged"

"God is Love"

"Do unto others what you would have done unto you"

I've read parts of the Bible, and from what I've gathered, it teaches that God loves everyone, but hates their sins. This technically means by saying "all gays should be slaughtered" you are actually going against the word of God, rather than supporting it like you think you are - because God actually loves everyone, but hates their sins. There's a big difference.

DrRows 01-25-04 10:58 PM

my roommate, who is like 6 feet away from me right now, is gay, and as long as he doesn't bring his lifestyle into this room, im cool, the same why i am respectable and dont have sex with females in here. He seems perfectly normal to me. If thats what his sexual preferance is, and as long as it doesn't involve me, im cool with it.

The Necromancer 01-26-04 12:11 AM

Quote:
Originally Posted by Dixie Normous
1.Thou shall not lie with mankind as with womenkind.It is an abomination.
Read Leviticus chapter 18 verse 22.
To translate it means that a man shouldnt do things with another man that he do with women.Boyah.

2.I read the Bible also.And my favorite book so happens to be Revelation.The book you are prolly scared to read.

3 finally..are you a fag or something?..because you sure are defending gays really tuff and you went and quoted something from a christian gay website..and..thats just...ewwwww..

btw..Checkmate..


LOL, that is hardly checkmate. In fact, I was hoping you'd bring up that verse!

Ever read Leviticus? I did a few weeks ago. You want the ACTUAL translation? Here it is:

"V’et zachar lo tishkav mishk’vey eeshah toeyvah hee."

Now, here is the thing. You might READ the bible, but you never bother to UNDERSTAND the bible. Leviticus, Exodus, etcetera were all books written about the Jews and their travels out of Egypt. It is called the Talmud. And the Talmud was one of three books written in the Tanech. These were the books of laws. That's why it deals with things like how to deal with leprosy is to bring it to Aaron. I doubt if I contracted leprosy I'd be able to show it to him. But they could because it was for them. And the laws of the Talmud were written expressivly and exclusivley for the following reasons. 1, to keep a written history of the jews travels. 2, to lay down the law for the jews to follow while they are travelling.

Here is how much weight that verse carrys now and days. None. Not only was it God's commandments to the JEWS, but it was his commandment for THOSE Jews so that they do not behave as the Pagans do. God did not want his chosen to behave as the pagans so as to keep a distinction between the two. In fact, one translation of that verse goes as follows:

"Ritual anal sex between two men in a Pagan temple is forbidden."

That's what that chapter was about. Preventing God's people from behaving as the pagans do as they travelled the desert. Not only are YOU not a jew, but you are not a Jew travelling the desert with Moses.

It's called comprehension. If you're so keen on ignoring the actual story behind the bible, well... try this on for size. If you think keeping the Talmud law is so important, then what about some other verses eh?

What about the very first part of Leviticus? It's all about offering animals to be sacrificed when you sin. You've sinned I'm sure, according to Christianity we are all sinners. According to Leviticus, we are to kill animals when we sin.

What about Leviticus 11:__? That whole part is about animals you can and can't eat. Eating pork is an abomination, eating osprey, eating lobster, eating shrimp, eating rabbit... all abominations. Which is just as bad apparently as you would construte homosexuality to be. Have you ever took part in eating any of those meats? And it's not just those, but read it and it's so much more.

By the way... Revelations was the first book of the bible I read all the way through. Followed by Genesis, then Mathews. Then all the Johns, Psalms, Proverbs, then Exodus. Etc. etc. etc., what about you?

-Zone Out- 01-26-04 12:39 AM

Quote:
Originally Posted by wogzta

You've got to see that you are incredibly prejudiced. You say a man raped a 14 year old boy... what does that have to do anything? Would it be better if he raped a 14 year old girl? Rape is a crime and a sin no matter what the sexuality of the criminal is.


It wouldnt have better if he raped a boy/girl/cow/dog/cat..if he raped anything..the point is..a gay man raped someone..and yes..I will distant myself from gay people..because homosexuality is a evil spirit..created by the devil..and to break it down for you..devil = bad..God = good..

and also..
Necromancer
evidenlty I read it..I got that verse..duh..and what was the point of posting the translation?..what did that have to do with anything?..I hope you;re glad that you can type in a different language..
I read and also understand the Bible..thats the 2nd or 3rd time you have said that..now stop..because it's gettin annoying..

And throwing out randam facts doesnt not really prove your point at all..so you can also stop doing that..and further more..that whole first paragraph was useless in this debate..I total waste of your time and also mines..
also..if God chose the Jews and wanted them to be righteuous and told them not to be gay..shouldnt we follow that also..so we can be righteous..and not be gay?..wouldnt that make sense?..

and once again..posting useless information..what was the point of posting that Pagan anal sex stuff?..or did it have a purpose?..or were you just trying to throw out more randamn facts to try to make yourself look inteligent?..moving along..


and you're right..Im not a Jew..but like I said earlier..if God commended that the Jews not do this..travelin in a desert or not..it is still wrong..
and offering an animal?..I believe that was Moses' laws..not God's..we dont even live in that time anymore that we can offer animals..

and about the eating food part..in the new testament..God states that we can eat anything on this earth (except for other men)..as long as we bless and give thanks before we eat it..but..that paragraph was just worthless text anyway..

and for your final remark..I've read Genesis..Revelations..and a few other books..I've read a small margin though..

now.. back to Wogsta..your final paragraph..you're right God loves out but hate their sins..but he will also destroy you for those sins..

wogzta 01-26-04 03:25 AM

^ yes, he will destroy you for being gay, seemingly. But he also says that you must respect ALL people. By hating fellow humans, no matter how blasphemous you think they are, your going against God's own wishes.

First thing you need to realize is that it is God's choice whether or not these people are sinning; not yours. You just stay out of other people's lifestyles, and "let God handle it".

If you are so religious, respect God's word and be moral and decent to all people and let Him decide on whether they should go to hell or not; you have no business saying "your going to hell to people".

Ask yourself this (and it does happen) - what if a child was born an accident, and the father in truth, was gay? That child would be raised by his gay father and straight mother, because the father has some responsibility. According to you, the kid should distant himself from his dad, because his dad is gay... but what happened to "Honour thy mother and thy father"?

inspire 01-26-04 05:06 AM

lmao.. Dixie, you just can't fuck with Nec. Give up.

The Necromancer 01-26-04 07:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Dixie Normous
It wouldnt have better if he raped a boy/girl/cow/dog/cat..if he raped anything..the point is..a gay man raped someone..and yes..I will distant myself from gay people..because homosexuality is a evil spirit..created by the devil..and to break it down for you..devil = bad..God = good..

and also..
Necromancer
evidenlty I read it..I got that verse..duh..and what was the point of posting the translation?..what did that have to do with anything?..I hope you;re glad that you can type in a different language..
I read and also understand the Bible..thats the 2nd or 3rd time you have said that..now stop..because it's gettin annoying..

And throwing out randam facts doesnt not really prove your point at all..so you can also stop doing that..and further more..that whole first paragraph was useless in this debate..I total waste of your time and also mines..
also..if God chose the Jews and wanted them to be righteuous and told them not to be gay..shouldnt we follow that also..so we can be righteous..and not be gay?..wouldnt that make sense?..

and once again..posting useless information..what was the point of posting that Pagan anal sex stuff?..or did it have a purpose?..or were you just trying to throw out more randamn facts to try to make yourself look inteligent?..moving along..


and you're right..Im not a Jew..but like I said earlier..if God commended that the Jews not do this..travelin in a desert or not..it is still wrong..
and offering an animal?..I believe that was Moses' laws..not God's..we dont even live in that time anymore that we can offer animals..

and about the eating food part..in the new testament..God states that we can eat anything on this earth (except for other men)..as long as we bless and give thanks before we eat it..but..that paragraph was just worthless text anyway..

and for your final remark..I've read Genesis..Revelations..and a few other books..I've read a small margin though..

now.. back to Wogsta..your final paragraph..you're right God loves out but hate their sins..but he will also destroy you for those sins..


1 - The point about that pagan anal stuff? THAT IS WHAT THE VERSE IN THE BIBLE WAS ABOUT! It wasn't about homosexuality being bad, it was about being clean by not performing ritual sex between to men as the pagans of that territory did at that time. Maybe if you tried understanding instead of just reading...?

2 - We still live in a time where animals exist and we can take their lives. God has commanded us in the same book to offer animals as sacrifice if we sin. But... if you believe in "God's law"... then why don't you follow it?

3 - But you are correct, we don't live in "those" times anymore. So why follow those laws anyway? Including the law that you think homosexuality is bad. That was then, this is now.

See, it's all rolled up into a ball. If you believe that verse means homosexuality is bad, then you must also believe you must sacrifice animals for your sins, eat only kosher food, and keep the sabbath day and the sabbath year holy.

However, if you don't believe in sacrificing animal's to God for your sins, eating only kosher food, and keeping the sabbath day and the sabbath year holy (among many other laws) then you can't possibly believe homosexuality to be bad according to the bible.

I believe that was Moses' laws..not God's..we dont even live in that time anymore that we can offer animals..

That right there has proven your ignorance. It was never Moses' laws. In the VERY BEGINNING of the book, and several times throughout the book, it states God commands to Moses. Moses was merely the frequency reciever, God was the original transmission. It is God's law.

Admittivly, you got me on the Food part. Generally, folks aint able to get that. However, what about the sabbath day? Sure you can say church on sundays. But there is also the sabbath year. A whole year where you can't do anything. Know what I'm saying?

It's all rolled up into one big religious ball. You can't selectivly choose which parts of the bible is ok and which parts are bad. That is what they did to the Apocrpha. (Books you might be well off to read.)

Face it, your arguments are baseless. You're a conservative in the hip-hop game. That is about as wrong as you get. You clearly enjoy hip-hop, so what is with the neo-conservative theological veiws?

Theology is my game. Judaism is my first faith. And if it seems like I know just everything about it, that's because I spend some time not only with my nose in the bible, but my nose in books that discuss, evaluate, translate, decipher, and explain the bible.

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The golden rule is Do unto others as they would do unto you.

Right now I'm giving you some valid points to argue against, be nice if you'd do the same instead of blanket statements of hatred.

wogzta 01-26-04 07:18 AM

^ I'm sorry Dixie Normus, but you just got sonned. No hate, but you honestly did.

revenge_archer 01-26-04 03:51 PM

can i say something here..... in the bible there are other 200 accounts of laws contradicting straights in some way, and maybe 6 accounts for homosexuals...... now i dun see people being hetrophobic cos of tht, gays are cool, i got tons of lesbian mates and gay mates.

and honestly if one was too approach me and say they want to marry there lover, id bloody throw a party, whether there partner is same sex or not. and my old religion frowned extremly on homosexuality,and i still have extrem respect for gays etc, cos my religion also (in my dads country) he hates jews,muslims,chinese,coloured he hates everyone but my friends are not only homosexuals but come from all differnt back grounds, cos race, colour, sexuality all tht shit dun faze me cos isnt there a command saying "love thy neighbour as thy would love thyself" (or something like tht i dun read the bible much) it dosent say "unless ur neighbour is a homosexual" it just clearly says "love thy neibhour" and to the guy tht said a guy raped a yound boy, ok yes thts bad but, straights rape girls/guys (depending on if the criminal is guy or girl) aswell, does tht mean if ur friend told u he was straight u would distants urself?? thts a really stupid reason to hate gays.

im not saying go out and be mates wit every gay u see, im just saying cut them some slack.

*archer*

-Zone Out- 01-26-04 06:22 PM

Well..I can silence this whole discussion..if you stand up for gays..then you are a fag yourself..Gays Homos and Fags..are wrong..now everyone stfu..

end of discussion..

and any replies after this thats standing up for gays is a fag thereself..

FormulaMC 01-26-04 07:12 PM

How about stop being so close-minded and insecure with your own sexuality Dixie Normous ? You do realize that you are contradicting yourself with every post you make simply because of your name don't you ? Under your name it says "My Dicks Bigga Than Yours". How do you know this ? Have you went around to ever man in the United States and looked in their pants ? If it's a proven fact that your dick is bigger than everyone's then you have infact performed what you consider a "fag activity" by comparing penises and looking at other men's dick's.

Honestly, contrary to your ridiculous belief, not EVERY GAY PERSON performs sex in front of people and flaunts their sexuality with their dick's hanging out and shit. You seem more and more like an insecure kid suffering from extreme paranoia with every reply you make. Why don't you worry about yourself and the bigger issues in this world today and stop worrying about how other people conduct themselves ? If you just minded your own business everything would be so much better. But instead you're just spewing non-sense in this thread because you can't handle the fact that there are some guys that actually like other guys and aren't attempting and can't ever be as straight as you. Oh my god, someone's gay, they are a fag and aren't an individual anymore. They don't have freedoms anymore, they have broken laws, blah blah blah. They have done nothing but express themselves in a different way than straight males do, and all of a sudden that's a topic of discussion with the president beecause they aren't like everyone else, they have different tastes. . and now differences are a bad thing ? If everyone was the same, this world would not develop. Bush needs to concentrate on hunger, poverty, job loss, terrorism. . and everyone here who oopposes gays need to get a life and finally become secure with their sexuality, because you like females, so gays do not effect you, therefore nothing they do concerns you.

wogzta 01-26-04 08:33 PM

The only reason I'm cutting Dixie some slack is cos he's 14, he's still basically a kid. But I'll tell you one thing - people who hate gays to an extreme that they go around bashing them and preaching that they die and need to be slaughtered are usually insecure with their sexuality or are afraid that they are gay themselves. I'm not saying your gay Dixie Normus, your only 14, your prolly high off that high school homophobic mentality, but if you continue like this into your adult life, then I'm worried for you - anyone who lives their life hating other people is living a sad life indeed.

and Ps. calling everyone who stands up for equality in all people gay is pretty lame, Dixie.

-Zone Out- 01-26-04 08:48 PM

I'm not 14..Im 15..I like pussy holes..and ass holes on a female..and gays..are..how can I put this?..gay..it's not equality..because they get everything changed for them..they even got gay insurance..wtf?..gays make it harder for normal people..so..it doesnt matter if you agree with gay marriages or not..Bush said the smartest thing he ever said in his career.."I will not legalized gay marriages'..so..that makes him gay..

and also..God said be fruitful..two men cant have a child..two women cant have a child..if gays are allowed marriages..then pretty soon..the end of human population as we know it..will start to decrease..

wogzta 01-26-04 08:56 PM

^ yeah but the thing is, only something like 0.8% of the world is gay. No matter how many people there is, 99% of them will be normal. And all you need is 50% to keep increasing the human population. So why the fuck would the race end?

I also like pussy holes. I also like Orange Juice. Im not going to attack someone for liking apple juice, just like im not going to attack someone for being gay. Just leave it alone man... they aint hurting you


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