it should be allowed to certain situations...like rape...but not if your too fucking stupid or lazy to unroll some rubber....America...land of the lazy....sexually active...and usually both mixed...which is why this discussion is goin on

Lethargic: I've skim read some of your posts.

Do you think the social structure is there to support these people if they don't have abortions? And/or the overall state-economic structure?

Are we are that stage of evolution where we can take substantial responsibility for such actions? You know, with this relatively free will we now have.

I guesss it's about valuation. How does one value one thing over the other. Career/partying/money over raising child/giving birth. I guess this relates to social/state structure n whatnot. As well as the evolution of the mind. And the overall mental capacity of that individual (not all are strong enough...or at least do not believe they are strong enough. And for them to realise that strength could take a lot).

I see it as the line theory. Many of the lines are uneven. Very few connect or on the same level. So until they come closer together. Or actually 'connect' or are on the same level, you'll get things like this.

Which can be strived towards using such things as improved awarness (both pre-sex and when in pregnant), better society...

I most definetly understand and appreciate your point of view. I agree with alot of it. But it's about the 'human' element. The social element. Which must be looked at before placing the 'nobility' of responsibility of such things onto it.

The methods to do so are arguable. But to impose it in this day and age could be a mistake.

Just a quick rundown of sorts. Feel free to pick it off.

Agrees w/ Aisle on this
my bra and his gurl tried for kids finally got pregnant
and then lost twins in a miscarriage..hit me so bad
happened at about 12 weeks..they were devastated
and wud do anythin to have a child..they are once again
pregnant & are past the 14 safety period thankfully
so for peeps to abort a child is a terrible waist of life..
they may have no other option but another family
for the child wud be whole hearetdly amzing in my eyes
it jus takes a lot of will power from the family
giving away the child

can't give birth, so really dont have a say personally

Actually I do. I understand where you're coming from here. However, due to my breakdown of Phate's numbers before following statistics related to the breakdown afterwords...the state-economic structure wouldn't be all that hard pressed. There are many ways you can cover the situation with budget cuts on funds of lower necessity vehicles. To be honest, after the statistical cuts to the overall number of babies that would have been born, I don't think anything to that extreme would be needed.



I think our society and its people have definitely reached that stage. It's just a matter of them taking action. We're more then able of being CAPABLE of taking the substantial responsibility.



Why should the mind-state of one person be a deciding factor?(I realize there is more than one person, but I think you know what I'm getting at)


Is not our first priority the continuation of life? Maybe not as an individual..but as a whole?



I agree. We do need to strive towards it by utilizing awareness programs etc. I also understand that not everyone is on the same level. However, is that not the whole point of awareness programs...to bring those that aren't on the same level up to the level desired?



I know exactly what you mean, but if you ask me...it's the Human and Social element which brings that very nobility into the issue.



Point noted. I still don't agree. Then again, if the world agreed, then this would be utopia, and this conversation would have never begun.

State-economic maybe. I couldn't really say without futher studying it. Though theory always looks much better than practice. And don't forget the 'political will' and all that.

But i was edging more towards social structure. Which i see you think can handle it. Which i'll agree to disagree. Because though i am not saying 'they can't, end of'...i am very dubious on it nonetheless.

The 'lines' thing was more about different parts of society, the word in general and what not more than individual peopel. Though it does relate to individual people too. I think the 'lines' are too far apart at the moment. Too many peopler will struggle to hop/climb from one to another.

I know what you're saying. Drag in those who oppose or do not listen kicking and screaming. But i think there's too many to do so. A gradual build up using those awarness programmes (and other things along those lines) will help relatively 'ease' them through.

Though the 'kicking and screaming' theory could also work. It's been done many times before in social issues. But have the consequences been good in the long term? Hmmm...evolution of 'humanity' may need us to try the more 'easing in' approach than the more 'forced' one. Though i use the term 'forced' both lightly and heavily.

Agree to disagree i guess. Yer points appreciated. And a fair few shared.