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I like a lot of Jay-Z's newer stuff (his past like 2-3 CD's) He drops stuff you can relate to. Like Opey said in the beginning, eminem's white, white suburban kids buy his shit. Nelly also has more appeal to that same group.
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I like jay-z and as and artist he's pretty nice..he can appeal to all groups it seems to me
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Jay-Z? No.
H to the izz-O, V to the izz-shut the fuck up. A possession of lyrical skill, a grasp of ebonics, some corny aliases, and subject matter that scarcely has any depth does not make you "the greatest breathin!!!!!!!!!!!!!!". He has talent, albeit misapplied. He's above average. |
Stop Hating On Jay...
He's Got Flow, And Better Wordplay Then Most Rappers Out There... If He Was Undergound, You Guys Might Feel Differently About Him... |
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As I said, he's above average, but so commercial it hurts. And his gimmick is so ruthlessly played. |
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What Is The Line That Divides Commercial And Underground Anyway...? And Whats His Gimmick...? |
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That's not digital. It's not either commercial or underground. Mainstream isn't synonymous to "commercial". And it's a pretty good indicator of commerciality when you feature Pharrell/appear on MTV at least once every hour/have the verbal equivalent of an annoying ditty in a lot of your songs. Quote:
Pimping, being from the streets and misc. |
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Jay built a dynasty from a piece of shit DefJam contract. He has pretty much broken away from DefJam and Rocafella is almost as powerfull as one of the main Record labels. Dude deserves every ounce of respect he gets. The fact that he HAS put out that many albums should make u think about it. And to say 17 million records is nothing..Just for that you should get smacked. Thats 17 million more than you will ever put out. 1 |
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You could use the same argument to argue for 50 Cent. It still doesn't necessarily mean that he isn't mediocre. |
^what DYNASTY has 50 built, fuck are you takling about?
Jay owns a RECORD LABEL / CLOTHING COMPANY / VODKA COMPANY / Etc. what the fuck are YOU talking about? |
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Material acquisitions, no matter what form they take, do not reflect on skill. It's called a generalization. Try drawing the metaphorical line between the points, so I don't have to spoon feed it to you and make you look like a retard. |
I never actually mentioned that Jay was nice because of his record sales, i said that 17 million record isnt something to look down on, or joke about (making it a side note). My MAIN argument (the argument which you made reference to) was about how jay built a dynasty.
Sooo Therefore your "metaphorical" relation is invalid DICKWAD. lets not try and come on RB sounding educated when you cant even follow the MAIN point of someones argument to which you plan on generalizing. Good try though big guy. ;) |
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"Dude deserves every ounce of respect he gets." I'm wary of equivocation, you fucktard. "Respect", is the collective appreciation that he receives in response to anything he has/does, especially since you specified "every ounce of respect he gets". This includes, believe it or not, rapping. And the I made no relation, I made a, and let me repeat this, "generalization", which in itself was literal and not "metaphorical". Please. Stick to the monosyllabic words that you might not screw up with while attempting to employ. And your alleged main point is bullshit as I have hitherto stated, and moreso if you account for your backpedalling, seeing as it doesn't have a point. |
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That Has Nothing To Do With Being Commercial... He Paid His Dues...From Being Underground, And People Accepted Him, So He Got Famous... Quote:
How Can That Be A Gimmick If It Was His Lifestyle...? |
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...And is now commercial. What's your point? Quote:
Why can't it be? They hardly cancel each other out. |
^do you even spit/write? Or do you just roam internet boards and attempt to confuse people with the fact that you know how to use a thesaurus
If you do spit, let me find out. Prolly not, prolly a little bitch. .OnE. have a nice night |
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My Point Is What If Your Favorite Underground Rapper Made It Big And Was On MTV...? Then Would You See Him The Same...? Quote:
So Whats Your Gimmick Then...? A Wigga From The Burbs...? |
^nah dog, what he was trying to say is that just cause he lived it, it can still be used as a gimmick. Just cause its real, it can still be used from the gimmick angle.
aka Real and gimmick can be one in the same. although most of the time the gimmick is bullshit, in this case its real. This dude ASSfix just gotta be fucking technical with everything in hopes that he makes others look stupid. Apparently when most people check the inet for porn to get off on, this alternatively is what gets him off 1 |
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No. I wouldn't, naturally, though I'd probably try to. Commerce would however, make me think less of them, unless they retained quality as well. Quote:
Congratulations. You are the 163,001st person to have said that. I hate the way people can just tell I'm white. And no; check the definition. Quote:
So, if I don't keystyle, I'm probably a "little bitch". What kind of logic is that? And if you don't cabre toss, then you're not a man. And I don't know, I've never tried. |
Your absolutely right, it doesnt relate to being a bitch. but um...CHECK THE WEB ADDY' .. its called RAP BATTLES
not RAP BITCH CHAT. so when you think of it, i can make the relation. and im not talking about KEYSTYLING im talking about SPITTING. with a mic....i know its a hard concept to grasp. 1 |
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But Being Commercial Has Nothing To Do With Not Being Good... Point Is...Jay Owns You... So Don't Even Talk Down About Him... |
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Not directly, but that's what it entails over 80% of the time. Go listen to "Change Clothes" or something. Quote:
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You can read. Quite a feat. Quote:
Full marks for observation. Quote:
I can give you more time to attempt to do so if you wish. And as I've said, I've never tried. |
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Well If Your So Good, And So Underground...Then Lets Hear Some Of Your Stuff... |
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How logical. How about if we revoke the concept of democracy because the public isn't running the country, so they shouldn't have a say in the way in which it's run? FUCKTARD. |
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But They Do Have A Say In Who Gets In Office... And You Are Obviously Implying That You Can Do Better Because He's Just No Good... You Seem To Be The Expert On Hip-Hop Huh...? |
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That might... y'know.... be THE ENTIRE CONCEPT OF DEMOCRACY? Hence the sarcasm? I laid it on inches thick, and you STILL didn't get my point. Quote:
And Art Critics are obviously implying they can do better when they slate a painting.[/sarcasm] How many fucking metaphors do I have to use to illustrate a fucking lucid point? In any case, you'll find I said he was "above average". Quote:
...No. |
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That Too Might've Been...Y'know...Sarcasm... Quote:
Yes They Are Implying That...But, They Give Some Pointers On How To Improve And Make It Better... And I'm Sure No Art Critic Goes To A Painting And Just Says That Its Shitty And Then Walks Away... |
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Or it might.... y'know... have been raw stupidity. Quote:
All criticism points out flaws, and it's obvious that the inverse is how to improve upon that which is deemed flawed. Duh. |
the man sells 18 million records and kids still want him to maintain the "realness" he experienced before he was signed
how many times can you tell the same story? i dont blame him for rappin about jewels... money..whatever...at least he's bein real... instead of these rookies out here rappin about havin fur, yachts and all that bullshit.....when they dont... |
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there... everyone, he made his point. cease the arguing.. it's just leading to a debate of freeposts. |
This is so gay...
Back-n-Forth Back-n-Forth... when your at the top theirs always people to knock u, that is a fact hands down. Stop hatin on JayZ |
I never liked Jay-Z hes over hyped... n if u dont agree o well i feel bad for u
Not gonna knock him on his sales he does what he needs to do to make the money just he over hyped period |
Im not feeling Jay my self.He bites alot of s&@t too. He's a damn drag queen notice all he raps about now it Womens clothes.
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^You're An Idiot...
Only Raps About Womens Clothes... |
If skills sold, truth be told.I'll prolly be,lyricaly Talib Kweli
^^ thats the best shit I ever heard from a rapper.Stop hatin on Jay-z.And he dont admits his relationship with Beyonce because he dont want the press asking questions..sound smart to me.he doesnt bite.. "Im not a biter,Im a writer for myself and others.I say A B.I.G. verse, Im only biggin up my brother." ^^ some more dope shit..get off his scrotum, and you should be saying "I could be like that man 1 day myself" ^^another Jay-z lyric. |
^Thats Not His Best Lyrics, But Dope Nontheless...
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Anyone who likes Jay-z Has yet to come out of the closet - And listen to REAL rap, those lyrics cant compare with stuff by Akrobatik, Pac and whoever else - Even Em and after i starten listening to the Underground shit, Em looks like a kid...
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This is what i have to say to this Get the Black Album Son... Moment of Clarity... Dynasty... My first song... son... u don't even know what the fuck your talkin bout... all over The Black Album will make u think different of jay-z... do u realize he only writes verses to hardly any of his songs son?... look i never liked jay-z either until i learned the realness about him... 16-17 million? yep your really sleep son... Get a grip... Shut yo mouth you don't know what the fuck you talkin bout.. hova is way above 90% of'em kid... slice yo self... learn bout the illest... listen to Rengade with him an Eminem... he freestyled that song kid... madness is only thing that happens with him... he keeps its real with "Truth".. wack songs??? some... but no on the black Album son... u will feel it Caesar - On3 |
(To JiXi)
No Shit... But He's Still Dope... He's Got Flow, And Wordplay Like Whoa... |
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