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TeamOne 02-03-06 06:41 PM

ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh where is the link?

Kirk 02-03-06 06:51 PM

Lol at this arguement. And word at Bliss N Eso. Deeeeeep.

La Cosa Nostra 02-03-06 07:54 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by Terumoto
I listened to those 3.

3 sides to a story - Not a terrible track... Nothing really original. Basic parallel construction on obvious issues. You're making it sound like this is the only song of its kind... You really think there arent other songs about hood-life, family problems, teen pregnancy? His delivery is OK, but not as good as you make it out to be. That lisp thing gets annoying. Overall, this track pales in comparison to any of Immortal Techniques story tracks, or even who's there by the guru... shit, even nimrod - drastic measures is iller than this.

Future - This is just some random track??? What did you say was good about this one? His delivery is the same as every other song.

Stained - Delivery the same again. He's talking about the hood again, and how tough he is. Not very unique... -_-. Some semi-decent lyrics.. maybe like 4 bars of them. I stopped listening when that wierd sounding guy ended every line with nigga.........

Well... all of that was pretty generic. Whats so special about joe budden?

Just remember your talking to a dipset fan...

What would you expect from him? Ofcourse his faverite rappers gonna be generic and trashy...

Zone Out 02-04-06 09:51 AM

Quote:
Originally Posted by Terumoto
I listened to those 3.

3 sides to a story - Not a terrible track... Nothing really original. Basic parallel construction on obvious issues. You're making it sound like this is the only song of its kind... You really think there arent other songs about hood-life, family problems, teen pregnancy? His delivery is OK, but not as good as you make it out to be. That lisp thing gets annoying. Overall, this track pales in comparison to any of Immortal Techniques story tracks, or even who's there by the guru... shit, even nimrod - drastic measures is iller than this.

Future - This is just some random track??? What did you say was good about this one? His delivery is the same as every other song.

Stained - Delivery the same again. He's talking about the hood again, and how tough he is. Not very unique... -_-. Some semi-decent lyrics.. maybe like 4 bars of them. I stopped listening when that wierd sounding guy ended every line with nigga.........

Well... all of that was pretty generic. Whats so special about joe budden?

RV is the ONLY site on the net that doesn't like Joe Budden
-_-
I guess people is right when they say it's over ran with herbs.
Maybe yall dont like Joe Budden because he raps about alot of stuff that normal people can relate to.
Seeing that they're the majority and not super nerds with IQ's of 500.
Which isnt a bad thing, but it just shows how super nerdy you are.
Joe Budden is the best out.

and yall talkin about rappers who only rap about hood issues, WTF did Tupac ALWAYS rapped about hood shit. There's NO WAY can you like Tupac but NOT like Joe Budden. It just doesn't work. Cos Budden touches down on quite a few topics that tupac does, but he does it IN A BETTER WAY!

La Cosa Nostra 02-04-06 10:06 AM

Joe budden doesent even scrape the surface of tupac's skill...

Tupac rapped about the hood, but he also tackled much much higher issues to do with politics, religion, philosophy, social standards, etc etc etc...

Joe budden is NOT anything like tupac.. Joe budden is a replica of every other average ass normal rapper in the game these days.. I got absolutly no problem with him being your faverite raper..

But your trying to put him in shoes that are just 10000 sizes too big for him......
I'm sure hes an alright dude... But he just aint anywhere near the top of the game...

Zone Out 02-04-06 10:08 AM

Quote:
Originally Posted by Nostradamus
Joe budden doesent even scrape the surface of tupac's skill...

Tupac rapped about the hood, but he also tackled much much higher issues to do with politics, religion, philosophy, social standards, etc etc etc...

Joe budden is NOT anything like tupac.. Joe budden is a replica of every other average ass normal rapper in the game these days.. I got absolutly no problem with him being your faverite raper..

But your trying to put him in shoes that are just 10000 sizes too big for him......
I'm sure hes an alright dude... But he just aint anywhere near the top of the game...

so, you're sayin Joe Budden doesnt rap about politics, religion, philosophy, social standards etc etc etc!?!?

La Cosa Nostra 02-04-06 10:21 AM

Quote:
Originally Posted by Will S.Unyu
so, you're sayin Joe Budden doesnt rap about politics, religion, philosophy, social standards etc etc etc!?!?

Nope...

And if he does once or twice in songs I havnt heard..

Then I can almost garentee you its superficial ramblings that any emcee on his level could write about......

Prove me wrong.. Seriously... I'm open to change my opinion.. But I wanna see you post something budden's writen that will actually shock me... Cause everything you've posted so far has been pretty average/trashy...

Zone Out 02-04-06 10:33 AM

I didnt post ANYTHING that was trashy.

how about YOU post up a Pac song
and I'll match it.

La Cosa Nostra 02-04-06 10:49 AM

Goodluck matching with your weak budden shit.........

Tupac - Mammas Jus a little girl

She was ..
Born A heavy set girl with pig tails and curls
A heart full of gold
Still it won't change the world
Though she could never understand why
Some underhanded plans, witnessed a man die
Was only 15
Should have been a beauty queen
Still see here crying by the caskets when here parents got killed
Little girl don't cry
'Coz even though they died
You can best believe they watching over thee from the sky
Never asked for this misery
But look at what you gettin'
It's a blessing in disguise
When you find out your pregnant
No money, no home
And even though you all alone
You'se got to do this on your own
So baby go on
I wish you luck
And if you need me, call
Just come to me and let me feed you all
I can understand
The way it feels when you fighting the world
Facing all this drama
When mama's just A little girl

[Chorus]

Mama
Don't know why
Mama's just a little girl
Given that she's a ??
Time ain't on her side
Mama's just a little girl
(Mama's just a little girl)
She gotta hold her head up high

[Verse 2: Tupac]

At 16 what a beautiful thing
The very essence of a jet black ebony queen
And who could tell she would get pregnant at an early age
She didn't listen, had sex
Watch her belly raise (hey)
Got violated by someone she dated
If this is fate I hate to see the seed she created
So we wait, though it takes time to build the body and the mind
She reclines 9 months
Then finally its time
What do we find?
A little grown boy a mind with a tortured soul
Addicted to a life of crime at no time of the growing stage
He learned his values on the streets at an early age
Watch for police
Don't come home (why)
'Coz mammas acting crazy
At the hospital
'Bout to have another baby
Like the rose from concrete
Grown within
Blessed with twins
How the hell can mamma raise 3 men
So we began a closest family
Such insanity
A happy home
For one act inhumanity
Plus mammas said the seed was corrupted
Used the rubber belly
Begging us to breathe if she love us
Now mamma sits quiet
Sipping peppermint schnapps
Turned the house into a spot and made her watch for cops (hey)
How could mamma bring a thug like me into this world?
She ain't the cause of all the drama
Cause mommas just a little girl

[Chorus]

Mama
Don't know why
Mama's just a little girl
Liven if she is or not
Time ain't on her side
Cause ama's just a little girl
(Mama's just a little girl)
She gotta hold her head up high
(How could she raise us)

[Verse 3: Tupac]

Now
Would she remain in the same spot?
The gunshots rang, they came from the cane spot
Now look here
I see her clutching her son
In her arms she hurt
Her heart bleeding as she watched her seed die in the dirt
Fulfill prophecy
But who could stop the grief?
I walk around trying to hold the world up on top me
Probably be an innocent man
But still I'm the victim of a curse
What could be worse?
Nothing but pain
Since my birth, taught me functions at the pen
Cause everybody's in paying back society
I'm guilty of a life of sin
I watched the drama occur
My eyes blurred 'fore I jet it
I wonder why we all have to die for we get it
Though we shed tears
So many peers I done buried
Worried and scared
Knowing I'ma see the cemetery
Must be prepared in this cold world
No-one cares
No it ain't fair
But we all there
And do our share
In this land of underhanded schemes and plans
Vivid dreams of a nigga having g's in hand
Mamma told me not to be a punk
Fuck what you talking about coward
What you niggas want?

(hey)
They ain't a thing I wouldn't do for my mamma in this world
Cause you know I ain't mad at cha
You' just a little girl
See mammas just a little girl
(hey hey)

[Chorus]

[Repeat until fade]

Mama
don't know why
Mama's just a little girl
Given that she is or not
time ain't on here side
mama's just a little girl
(mama's just a little girl)
she gotta hold her head up high

[Tupac Talking]

They ask us why we mutilate each other like we do
And wonder why we hold such little worth for human life
Facing all this drama
But to ask us why we to turn from bad to worse
Is to ignore from which we came
You see you wouldn't ask why the rose that grew from the concrete had damaged petals
On the contrary
We would all celebrate its tenacity
We would all love its will to reach the sun
Well
We are the roses (echo)
This is the concrete (echo)
And these are my damaged petals (echo)
Don't ask me why (echo)
Thank god nigga (echo)
Ask me how (echo)
(hahaha)

You see, mama's just a little girl

Zone Out 02-04-06 10:52 AM

lmao
not lyrics
songs

La Cosa Nostra 02-04-06 10:55 AM

And you BEST hope the song you pick is something amazingly brilliant..

Cause not only lyrically.. But musically this song is seriously one of the best rap tracks made.......... Budden jus dont even contend.....

And by the way.. I DID say to just show me something dope that buddens written.. Cause so far from what you (a fan) has shown me.. He DEFinatly aint nothing special....

La Cosa Nostra 02-04-06 10:56 AM

Quote:
Originally Posted by Will S.Unyu
lmao
not lyrics
songs

Download it then fool..

I GAVE you the song name.....

Zone Out 02-04-06 10:59 AM

you love tupac, IM SURE you have the song on yuor computer
upload it
it takes 5-10 minutes

La Cosa Nostra 02-04-06 11:01 AM

Its on a fricken network... I am not going out to the other comp, turning it on, waiting all that fucken time then uploading it when you can just download the shit from a p2p program in less than half the time.....

Zone Out 02-04-06 11:22 AM

dope ass track

Are you in that Mood Yet?

not a story track, but ill, none the less

La Cosa Nostra 02-04-06 11:50 AM

And whaddya know..

It doesent even begin to compete with the pac track I showed you.... Sorry man.. As I keep listening.. This shit is still jus average....

I'm not even jus sayin that either.. I'm bein 100% real with you... This stuff is only just above Dipset level.... He got fairly decent flow, lyrics arnt wack.. But they arnt amazingly dope either.... Just average shit....

Like its cool that your a fan of this cat.. He aint a bad rapper.. But like I said.. Your trynna make out like hes waaay better than he is............ Your puttin him in shoes he cant fill...........

Acuity 02-04-06 01:19 PM

LMAO @ saying Poet Laurette 2 is "NOT DEEP"....expand your mind brudda, if its not deep to you, look some shit up and learn from the track...the track doesnt have hiphop acclaim becuase canibus uses a few long words. OSme of the references, allegorical meaning, metaphors, similies, story telling is jus unbelivable sick...LMAO @ "NOT DEEP"

As for budden vs Canibus - i personally think Canibus deficates all over budden, but they have such conttrasting styles its ALWAYS going to be a perosnal opinon. thus, y'all debate will never end.

Pop Lotty 02-04-06 01:41 PM

I'm happy Nos don't like Budden........

TeamOne 02-04-06 01:44 PM

Has anyone heard the fuckin Jay Z diss at Camron?!?!

Pop Lotty 02-04-06 01:49 PM

It Doesnt Fucking Exist.

TeamOne 02-04-06 01:58 PM

*exactly wat i thought*

thanx

Zone Out 02-04-06 04:38 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by Nostradamus
And whaddya know..

It doesent even begin to compete with the pac track I showed you.... Sorry man.. As I keep listening.. This shit is still jus average....

I'm not even jus sayin that either.. I'm bein 100% real with you... This stuff is only just above Dipset level.... He got fairly decent flow, lyrics arnt wack.. But they arnt amazingly dope either.... Just average shit....

Like its cool that your a fan of this cat.. He aint a bad rapper.. But like I said.. Your trynna make out like hes waaay better than he is............ Your puttin him in shoes he cant fill...........

just know
that
he's way better than you
and are you in the mood yet SHITS on that Tupac song
smh

Terumoto 02-04-06 05:39 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by Will S.Unyu
RV is the ONLY site on the net that doesn't like Joe Budden
-_-
I guess people is right when they say it's over ran with herbs.
Maybe yall dont like Joe Budden because he raps about alot of stuff that normal people can relate to.
Seeing that they're the majority and not super nerds with IQ's of 500.
Which isnt a bad thing, but it just shows how super nerdy you are.
Joe Budden is the best out.

and yall talkin about rappers who only rap about hood issues, WTF did Tupac ALWAYS rapped about hood shit. There's NO WAY can you like Tupac but NOT like Joe Budden. It just doesn't work. Cos Budden touches down on quite a few topics that tupac does, but he does it IN A BETTER WAY!


So basically, you're saying only stupid people (the majority) listen to, and can relate to, joe budden?

Thank you... That is exactly the point I have been trying to make.

La Cosa Nostra 02-04-06 07:18 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by Will S.Unyu
just know
that
he's way better than you
and are you in the mood yet SHITS on that Tupac song
smh

Uhh no........

It really doesent even come close......

Blay'all 02-04-06 07:26 PM

whaaaaaaat OMB and whoever else hatin on Buddens?
please, please justify that... he's one of the real ones out right now.

La Cosa Nostra 02-04-06 07:34 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by Joey Carolina
whaaaaaaat OMB and whoever else hatin on Buddens?
please, please justify that... he's one of the real ones out right now.

We aint hatin bro..

Like I said.. Hes an alright dude... But Sun.You is trynna make out like hes some kind of lyrical monster and that hes the best rapper in the game right now.. His lyrics are average... His songs aint really the dopest shit ever... He DEF aint nowhere near pac's level.....

Like I said... While he aint a bad cat.... He jus cant fill the shoes Sun.You is trynna put him in....

Terumoto 02-04-06 07:37 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by Joey Carolina
whaaaaaaat OMB and whoever else hatin on Buddens?
please, please justify that... he's one of the real ones out right now.


Tell me, wtf is "out right now".

Ill listen to the best music of ALL TIME, not limit myself to the shit thats "out right now."

Sure, buddens is one of the best "out right now". But his competition is one guy who has hooks like "in the club, bottle full of bub" or "ill take you to the candyshop. ill let you suck my lollipop." And other guys who i wouldnt even consider rappers, because they are so wack.

Pop Lotty 02-04-06 09:47 PM

Joe Budden is my fav. rapper out...suck on that.

Zone Out 02-05-06 04:26 AM

Quote:
Originally Posted by Terumoto
So basically, you're saying only stupid people (the majority) listen to, and can relate to, joe budden?

Thank you... That is exactly the point I have been trying to make.

no, i said nothing like this at all, actually
I said the majority of the people arent SUPER nerds

L. Veracity 02-05-06 05:27 AM

I got "Dumb Out" on my computer and I like it, but I like "Walk With Me" a lot better, that shit's real as hell

personally I think Jay-z is just another industry bitch living behind that hype that revolves around her persona, and that's not gonna change cuz there'll always be blind sheep that follow the leader just because and don't do like NOS said and look at their lyrics from the stand point if a non-fan...if most people did that they'd realize Jay-Z is nowhere near the "best rapper alive" as people believe...he raps about the same thing in every song, whether that's what the song is even really ABOUT or not...

but back to the SUBJECT of this thread
anybody got the alleged Jay-Z diss back to Cam'Ron?

p4ntzistheish 02-05-06 10:46 AM

Quote:
Originally Posted by L. Veracity
I got "Dumb Out" on my computer and I like it, but I like "Walk With Me" a lot better, that shit's real as hell

personally I think Jay-z is just another industry bitch living behind that hype that revolves around her persona, and that's not gonna change cuz there'll always be blind sheep that follow the leader just because and don't do like NOS said and look at their lyrics from the stand point if a non-fan...if most people did that they'd realize Jay-Z is nowhere near the "best rapper alive" as people believe...he raps about the same thing in every song, whether that's what the song is even really ABOUT or not...

but back to the SUBJECT of this thread
anybody got the alleged Jay-Z diss back to Cam'Ron?



lmao he'll be on Sesame Street like"HOV! Jacob on my wirst *insert Biggie line*" lol I'm just playing. No need to throw a hissy fit Q.

Terumoto 02-05-06 04:04 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by Will S.Unyu
no, i said nothing like this at all, actually
I said the majority of the people arent SUPER nerds


What exactly is your definition of super nerd? ...

L. Veracity 02-05-06 07:47 PM

prolly gonna say people that listen to underground dudes that rap using big words and non-mainstream concepts like "thug" life and what-not...he might name people ike Common, The Roots, Talib Kweli, Sage Francis, Eyedea, and so on...the basic "back packer" listening line-up :thumbup:

DISCLAIMER:
this is simply a theory or hypothesis based on Will's previous posting combined with what the basic mainstream supporter deems to be "nerd" rap


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