No...you simply restated my postulation with different terminology.

Example:

I said..."It's obvious that human representation of God can be skewed."

You restated it: "It could be..."

Adding "can be" in place of COULD BE is the same thing bro.





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*sigh*

Jesus often spoke in metas as i believe you know. and i as i believe you know
most of the text in the bible is not to be taken literal, nor is it to be read then applied. much of the text has a far deeper meaning that can only be seen after
it has been studied. as yes he did say that but he said that with the meaning only through the father can we acheive far greater things than he.

no, people become extremists because they believe what they feel is true. they believe they are the "chosen ones" and everyone else is an infidel, that everyone is out to get you. that no one else can co-exist. that's a function of egologic, meaning "me vs you" and "if its not with me its agianst me". religion in at its core is ignorance, and teaches you to absorb ignorance and onesided-ism and believe you are above everyone else instead of on the same level as everyone else.

if you hate somebody or some movement or anything, and you know less about their side of the story than you know about your side of the story, you are a fool. if all you see is your side of it you truely are a fool. you commit your self to only one side of a 3 sided story, so you really have no understanding, just an opinion. when you have one side, you have an opinion. when you have two sides, you have a fact. when you have 3 sides, you have an understanding, an acceptance and, dare i say, a peace with it.

knowlege is power. one side is ignorance.

and i've heard many "tales" of jesus studing with so and so are was part of
so so group so your statement is effective in no way, a muslium could come and tell
me hey he was only another moses, as they believe, or the da vinci code as many now believe and the stories go on and on

aye...gotta run peeps



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word, gotta call my girlie in a few....
but i'm not the type to be like no no no thats WRONG
i myself was catholic,its not till i opened my eyes that i saw
what was wrong and found truth for myself, the real Jesus .

no. jesus never spoke in metaphors. you dont understand the simple logic of what he's saying so you think "it must be a metaphor!". if you believe something he's saying is metaphorical and cloudy instead of literal and specific, you suffer from a lack of understanding and even more lethally, a lack of knowledge. the typical thinking of a fool "its too simple, so it can't be so". sometimes, doing something simple is the hardest thing you can do.

now on a seperate note, what you've said before was illogical. by your logic "going to the father" what ever you interpret that to mean, would make you a god and more powerful than jesus, which no one in biblical history has ever said so.. once again, your view comes from a perspective of non-understanding and "half knowledge" meaning you think you get it.

please dude, i gave lots of refferences you can look up to gian true knowledge. if you are really in persuit of knowledge as you claim to be (you're really jsut in persuit of "being right") equip your self with it. look up the side of the people who disagree with you, and agree with you. if you try to filter your input in one position or another, you're a fool.

ummm, yes he did, i'm starting to believe you've maybe picked up the bible once
one of his most famous metas is about himself when he says "I am" which is also the name for God.

more?
"I am the bread of life."
"I am the light of the world."
"I am the gate."
"I am the vine, you are the branches."

i could go on, but yes he did he also used Similes but most famously parables.
tons of them in the bible...half understanding? there right there in text...

right. the only difference is, there is limitless accounts on historical record of the origins of "christianity" and "cahtolocism" is gnosticism. once again, you didn't see it, so therefore you believe its not true. typical egologic; "i don't see it, there fore it doesn't exist". thoughts liek that is why people thought the earth was flat. or the sun revolved around the earth. or that gravity doesn't exist, and that air and wind are "god", and so on lol.

primitive minds pickling in their own ignorance.

to take it even further, theres evidence that gamaliel led the apostles, the bible even states so directly. now imagine a man so wise that jesus would hand over the leadership of the apostles to him. gamaleil in the bible is refered to as "the great teacher" yet the bible omits who he's taught because whomever edited it obviously if it was left in there you'd be able to put 2 and 2 together. but we know that jesus knew him, AND trusted him enough to lead the apostles!! now jesus wouldnt' trust a stranger, would he? a man he's had noexperience and interaction with, would he? hell, even a man the apostles had never met before now would he? wow, what a coincidence, the bible even omits the entire span of jesus' life where he "grew up". all you know is he was born, then disappeared for a while, and came back with knowledge of the source all things (or came back as what you would call a "source-erer" today). and in typical fool fashion you're perfectly complaicent with believing that's all that happened.

its pathetic man.

you're not even factually qualified to have this level of a discussion with me if you still believe "jesus" was really dudes name.

please, once again, equip your self with knowledge.

you do understand that many gnostic texts have no christian teaching behind it...meaning if christian "took" their teachings as their own why is there no evidence leading to many of the teachings to the gnostic religion. because it was a religion. you could connect it more to monks and their beliefs...
i know what your talking about but once again that group like i said before could be a muslium saying hey he was only another moses.
but yes Gamaliel is in the bible matter of fact look up Acts 22 chapter 3 but it never says how much he influenced him.

I didnt add "can be" in the place of COULD BE I added COULD BE in back of "obvious"

Get it yet?

You dont know anybody from cuba :thumbup:

There is NOTHING positive about cuba, unless ur a communist.

Everybody else has to do illegal shit to live, half way decent

Look around your city, find the shittiest looking houses/apartments, thats ur average.

so you believe "god's" name is "i am"? roflmao i think you are blurring the line between the "god" you believe in and the man you're still calling "jesus".

add to that, the man you call "jesus" never ever ever EVER put anyone beneath him, he was the most humble being at his time, on a level of ghandi, buddha, martain luther king, mother theresa and so on, so why would he state that anyone should be subserviant to him? that anyone is beneath him and should idolize him?

you follow any quote anyone says jesus told you without applying any logic. just going "duuhhh...okay.." lemme guess, you also believe "jesus" was a white man born in africa with long flowing hair right? lmao, you do know the bible says long hair is dishonorable on a man because it is feminine correct? yet you still pray to images of a long haired white man who you believe is "jesus". a lie perpetrated by your own faith. .....you do know that right?

of course you dont you fool. you're a highlight reader. and on that note, unlike most of the people you'll meet in your life, i read the bible from one cover to the next. you've seen bits and pieces and
want to speak as an authority, ive seen the entirety and beyond and speak humbily... for the most part, lol

actually jesus was in the middle east

so he was probly arabian, tanned color

and who knows how jesus had his hair looking? But yah we have no idea probly because of the romans

everybody messed with our bible and its all corrupted..
and jesus didnt tell you to be his servant, he died for us, told us that if we accepted him, are sins would be forgiven.

Not.. Be my bitch or go to hell.

dude this shit is so rediculous its not even worth arguing man. once again man, just read up dude. learn some real history, instead of relying on one garbage source for all your knowledge.

youre entire book of beliefs takes chunks of other beliefs and forces them all together, then say that the source is lying! and you just swallow the whole things down man no questions asked.
there's not one original statement in the bible except for the lies used to glue the whole thing together man.

like i said, till you know what "jesus"'s real name is, you can't possibly have an informed discussion with me.


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firstly i've so far havent said anything like "lmao you still believe etc etc " so dont come at me like that. no i dont, in truth i've never prayed to the man made image of Christ. plus my thinking would be if hes in the middle east he wouldnt be white.
and no one told me the metas i just posted, its in the text in the bible, try checking one of the pages between those two covers.bits and pieces? i've studied almost every major "book" from different faiths even studied the Greek Bible, which in truth does the bible more justice, because of how its worded because of their language. i dont believe you have truly read the bible, maybe glanced at it because then you would of seen those statements and would say at least a "yeah he did say that"
but gotta go...nice debate, no hard feelings just my beliefs.

Its a branch of Judaism, and only judaism
Christianity is close to islam, but then again, unless we can ever find out which son abraham took to sacrafice, we will never know which is right... No proof of which one it is, the bible now has names, but it didnt before. but I will go with christianity because Islam's idea of afterlife and other things are pretty stupid. If Judaism is right, well.. We will all be in hell for a while anyways, depending on how bad we lived. So id rather be on the right track anyways

truth, at the last part. he basically said your are not my servents but my friends because i've shared my words with you and a master never shares with his servents.

no, arabians TODAY are tanned color. AFTER the integration of the caucasians in north africa. 2000+ years ago, it wasnt that way.

and its evident "jesus" didn't have his hair that way. a black man, (nor arabic man) can not grow long feminine hair. furl-like hair unable to curl is a trait of the whiteman.

btw, the quotes "vokes" listed reinforce exactly that "be my bitch or go to a place we call hell" mentality. that's him believing that nonsense. not me.

btw, if the man you keep calling "jesus" died for your sins, then why can you sin today?


please man, if someone's gonna debate it with me man, be informed man. have a clue man, a connection to the past. dont think that what the world is like today it's always been that way. that would be a great start. learn what "jesus" real name was. learn what the enuma elish is. the gilgamesh epics. an eloheem. learn what gnosticism is. who nimrod is. who sargon is.

and 3 years from now, we can have an open an level discussion about this.

thanks again.

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God expects that, not the man we call jesus. Jesus is the son of God..

AND WHO CARES WHAT JESUS LOOKED LIKE? IS IT THAT IMPORTANT? DOES RACE MEAN THAT MUCH TO U? If I went to heaven, and met jesus, and he looked like Rick James, I honestly would not care, I dont pray to a statue of a man, I pray to Jesus. I dont say, alright, all the black jesuses get away, i want the one with girl hair and white skin


Why can we sin today? God gave us free will, thats not like when jesus dies he just takes it away from us, it just means that now if we sin, we dont have to sacrafice something for it, we just gotta accept jesus and confess.

no. someone told you he said that and you believe he said that. based on his mentality, he would have never said that.

that's the entire point.

and if your faith is willing to lie to you about something as arbitrary as his image, what makes you think that's all?
nope. islaam and christianity's concepts of heaven and hell are equally are rediculous. of course, you favor one over the other because you're conditioned to believe it more than anything else.

both their heavens speak only of physical feelings. if you're dead, and a soul, how can you have a PHYSICAL sensation at all? same applies for hell, they speak of pain and all that but pain is a sensation of a physical body with nerves and skin. a soul is not a physical body so how could it have physical sensations?

if that were the case, there's no difference between being dead and being alive.

again man, religion is a fools game. knowledge is a gods game.

who do you want to be?

The bible says we get a new body when we go to heaven, and I honestly have no idea about if u go to hell.. Im pretty sure the idea is "your soul" in another body, as if you had simply switched over to another

and soul? Whats soul? There is no scientific theorys, or facts, or any kind of backing to decide what a soul is.. But im going on what we both have basically assumed what a soul is, just like you have

but jesus died for your sins didnt he? so if he did, how can you sin? if you can sin then....things really aren't any different today are they??

jesus died for what....your quote unquote "original sin"? lmao thats fuckin hillarious. so to guilt you into this belief, youre told that you sinned before you were even born lmao. a sin is an action, and you havne't evne done anything, so how could you have sinned in the womb?? lmao

oh wait..because Eve had her period right? lmao cmon man, i know better than to believe in a religion that tells me a womans fulfillment of her biological function is a sin. when religion was the only "science" (aka, when beliefs were considered facts) we were taught that a womans period is a result of her sinning and that's why she has pain during labor. now we know that without her period, she'd never be able to reproduce in the first place - or for that matter, even be able to go into labor!!. without her period, she would never release an egg. infact.. a woman's period is a result of her going through puberty to become a woman!! sooo...... how is fulfilling your bio-logical purpose a sin.

smh.. if you believe in that "original sin" shit you take too much "magic" as science man.

lmao, really?? where does it say that?

lol actually, thats not true. there is scientific studies on what the soul is, where it is in your body, when it leaves the body, and so on, and a measured difference in your weight the moment you breathe your last breath. but... you just choose not to believe it. you prefer to believe in magic lol.

wow @ the amount of Misinformation about Jesus and Christianity in this thread.







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^^ Because Jesus is your best friend right? Smh...

SERIOUSLY JUST STOP

OK, So Apexx.
What exactly do you believe in (if you believe in anything) and what made you come to that conclusion?

Also, on another note, I see alot of people that are christians constantly bringing up the Bible to defend God.
Well honestly, if the Bible has been translated and chopped and screwed so much how is it still even a credble source of information?

I believe in the same thing Abraham believed. Solomon, Yashua binYosef, Buddah, Hiram Abiff, Einstein, Tesla, Ghandi, Gamaliel, Enki, Enlil, Robert Anton Wilson, Carl Jung, Patanjali, Confucious, Gilgamesh, Mother Theresa, DaVinci, MLK, the wisest men and women in history all belive. That all things are interconnected. That science and spirituality are poles of the same magnet, and only a fool chooses to see one side of something that's interconnected. Zone if you knew how much power you have in your mind, body, and soul, how much power is waiting around you to be harnessed at any given time, you would never want for anything again. You would never be sick, hungry, tired, broke, miserable, ever again.

You look up any of the names i just mentioned in any kind of depth and you'll come up with a wealth of information that if you allow it will change your life.

And as far as how i came to that conclusion, well, lemme just sum up an extremely long discussion by simply saying: "the hard way".

lol chopped and screwed. that's a good analogy. honestly man, the bible is the WORST source for credible information man, they plagarized so much other shit to make the bible its rediculous. there is not one story, i mean from the garden of eden, to the great flood, not one single story found in the bible that was not ripped off from another book. details, events, characters and everything dude. all they did was change the names, and say that they originated it. Typical insecure white man fashion dude. Steal the knowledge, and say you originated it. now not only do you have info that's plagarized as fuck, but you got so many peoples personal spin on it man, its like shit on top of shit. by the time Rome adopted catholocism, its was done. The fix was in. Rome was Druidic (what you would call Paganistic today) long before they were ever catholic and naturally they soaked their beliefs into a new religion called Catholocism. Since then, the whole book is so drenched in pagan symbolism, pagan rituals, icons and events its straight up disgusting man. From the significance of december 25, to the star that shined bright in the sky the night jesus was born (which is the eye of their god, by the way) to the whole flesh and blood rituals and killing the first born son and all that shit man. Paganims has literally rotted catholocism to a corpse. The devil knew what he was doing when he created catholocism man. He made even the people that are against him, for him. They practice his method daily and they dont even see it.

its straight up fuckin tragic man.

Damn...
I need to read up on some shit, then.
cause knowledge is power, yo
and I want that shit

You now know I'm forced to study up on every single one right? You fuckin asshole, making me come to realizations about the world and subsequently being happier. :(

LMAO my bad man, what was i thinking lol