wtf? I never said anything about comparing new shit to old shit. If a new song is good, it's just good, that's all there is to it, and if a new song is bad, it's just bad. Why can't you understand that?

50 cent's new album is just not good. That's all. It doesn't matter who likes it or doesn't like it, because the fact is that it is an average album.

Yeah, because people on the internet live inside it and don't exist in the real world... wtf? Everybody on the internet is in the world and has a life. If it was always people on the net hating 50, then how the fuck are you on the net NOT hating 50? You are on the net, just like anybody else on this site.

Are you special for some reason? You must be, because it's impossible for awesome, cool people like you to have access to the internet, since they are too busy being cool having real lives. They don't have time to hang around on internet forums, which are only full of nerds, despite the fact that you are on an internet forum right now and you have over 2000 posts.

You're either a nerd, or the internet is accessible to normal, everyday people. omg I wonder which one it is?!?!

thats your opinion..thats not a fact... you dont set the standard for whether and album is above or below average... if someone thinks this album is the greatest album ever than so be it... that is there opinion and there not wrong for thinking that...someone who may not even like rap may think this album is complete trash and they are not wrong for thinking that... you can't say it is a fact when in all reality what you were saying is common sense that it's just your opinion

my fuckin gonnorea is fire.

Music is like a science... Do you have any idea how complex it is? Yes, it's true that music is subjective. I know that. I've mentioned what you're saying a couple of times now in this thread.

Separate to music's subjectiveness is the objective side of music. I am no expert, and I am not a musicologist, but anybody with a little bit of musical sense can see that 50 cent is not particularly talented, and that his album is not particularly special. Why can't you understand that? It's just how things are.

If a musicologist did an analysis of curtis, they would come to the conclusion that musically, it is sub par. It has nothing to do with who likes it or who doesn't, or how many sales it has, or whether people love it or hate it. It is just, objectively, from a musical standpoint, sub par.

On the other hand, if they did an analysis of an album like Nas' Illmatic, they would come to the conclusion that Nas is skillful in the execution of his chosen craft, and that the album is put together well. It is a good album. It doesn't matter who likes it or who doesn't. It doesn't matter who thinks it's good and who thinks it sucks... From a factual, objective standpoint, it is a good album.

you shoudl just stop talking :thumbup:

i never said that age determinds music. i'm saying that high schools and colleges are a place where you can find some of the most talented people. i'll even include prisons. and places like that. cuz some of the most talented people never get heard.

theres dudes out in the streets that can shoot ball better than jordan, theres people locked up who can paint better than picasso and there sure as hell are undiscovered people who can rap way better than ur favorite rappers. popularity does not mean that'chure better at something, it just means that'chu came in contact with other famous people earlier. hell, master p is more rich and popular than lil wayne is but that sure as hell dont mean that he's a better rapper. well.... to u it prolly does but in reality it dont.

this has to be the dumbest thing I've heard.

I'm hoping no one agree's with this kid.









and Turm, music isn't a science, music is a art. even you should know that, and with a art everyone is gonna look at it differnet. there isnt a final way to judge a album by saying "average" and shit.

damn yall still on this bull shit lmao yo everyone got there opinion bout music....leave it there....lolz....

OK, so if I did a shit on a canvas it would be just as good as Hokusai's Great Wave or The Mona Lisa. People might like it, so that surely means that nobody, ever, can analyze art in an objective way and see that the other artworks I mentioned were made with more skill by masterful artists... Despite the fact that people have been objectively analyzing art for centuries...

And also objectively analyzing music for centuries...

I really don't know what you're talking about. You are trying to ignore the fact that there IS a standard that can be applied to music, music IS complex and intricate like a science... That doesn't mean it isn't an art. Shit, even ART is complex and intricate like a science.

no there isnt a standard, thats where you get it wrong.

this is what you were brought up to believe, there isnt no standard to any kind of art, its impossible. its not accurate, it just doesnt work. what part dont you get.

Are you blind and deaf?

If you want to turn this into a philosophical debate about the VALIDITY of the analysis of art, then say so... But denying its existence is just plain stupid. Why? Because you have absolutely no evidence whatsoever supporting what you're saying, and the world is full of evidence supporting what I am saying. For example...

If art is completely out of the scope of analysis, why do art critics exist? Why did I study art in school and learn what makes a piece good, and what mistakes make a piece bad?

Film making is an art. Why then, do basically all films get compared to a criteria and given a rating out of five? Are you nuts? Are you saying that every film is completely untouchable and that they are all of the same quality? Haven't you ever seen a film that was poorly and unskillfully produced? Haven't you ever seen a film that was skillfully produced?

Tell me, how can music be rated and reviewed if it's impossible to determine what makes good music and bad music? Why was I able to study music at university, if its so untouchable and analyzing it doesn't work? Why have countless people analyzed countless pieces of music and come up with countless conclusions as to what makes good music and what makes bad music?

If you're smart, I know what you'll say. Music is still based on opinions, those reviewing and criticizing it are just giving their opinion... But no, music IS intricate and complex like a science. Some people criticize by giving their opinion, which is valuable to other people. Other people study the composition and elements of the music and analyze how they work together, how well they work together, why they do or don't work together...

I'm not telling you my opinion. What part don't I get? I don't get the part where you close your eyes and refuse to learn something, and then keep pushing your own little narrow minded view, hiding away and blocking your ears, not listening to anything and still thinking you're right about something that is so obviously wrong.

Why do facts of the world change because some closed minded teenager doesn't want to stop sucking 50 cent's cock and jocking his shitty, sub par album? This conversation is finished. I'm not pushing my opinion, I'm pushing the facts trying to convince you to let go of your incorrect opinion and replace it with a correct one.

Here you go, this is the first two paragraphs of the Wikipedia article on Musicology.

Musicology (Greek: μουσικη = "music" and λογος = "word" or "reason") is the scholarly study of music. The word is used in narrow, broad and intermediate senses. In the narrow sense, musicology is confined to the music history of Western cultural elites. In the intermediate sense, it includes all relevant humanities and a range of musical forms, styles, genres and traditions. In the broad sense, it includes - at least potentially - all musically relevant disciplines and all manifestations of music in all cultures. The broad meaning corresponds most closely to the word's etymology, the entry on "musicology" in Grove's dictionary, the entry on "Musikwissenschaft" in Musik in Geschichte und Gegenwart, and the classic approach of Adler (1885).

In the broad definition, the parent disciplines of musicology include history; cultural studies and gender studies; philosophy, aesthetics and semiotics; ethnology and cultural anthropology; archeology and prehistory; psychology and sociology; biology, physiology and the neurosciences; acoustics and psychoacoustics; and computer/information sciences and mathematics. Musicology also has two central, practically oriented subdisciplines with no parent discipline: performance practice and research, and the theory, analysis and composition of music. The disciplinary neighbors of musicology address other forms of art, performance, ritual and communication, including the history and theory of the visual and plastic arts and of architecture; linguistics, literature and theater; religion and theology; and sport. Musical knowledge and know-how are applied in medicine, education and therapy, which may be regarded as the parent disciplines of Applied Musicology.

People study music. There are elements of composition that make good music good and bad music bad. IT DOES NOT MATTER IF PEOPLE THINK THE MUSIC IS GOOD AND LIKE IT OR THINK IT IS BAD AND DISLIKE IT. IT DOES NOT CHANGE THE COMPOSITION OF THE MUSIC, WHICH IS WHAT IS ANALYZED.

If you still want to peddle your blind opinion, go talk to the people who do what you are saying is impossible to do. Good luck trying to convince them that the thing they spend their working hours doing is unable to be done. Prepare to be laughed out of the building if you do try to do that lol.

buddy i dont give a fuck if someone is studying music. hahaha

they aint going to say the music I like is BAD.

its impossible to determine what really is GOOD and what really is BAD, everyone looks at it differnent, there isnt a rule that you have to follow. or boundries. so how would they study it and grade it?

the person grading it is just another dumb opinon.

Here, you made a mistake. You should have said:

"I don't know how to determine what really is GOOD and what really is BAD, therefore it must be impossible. so how would they study it and grade it?"

To answer your question... It depends on the music. If you really want to know, go study music.