jes i no what you mean but all goverment aid goes to the extremely poor and the rich. what about the middle class, the people fighting for jobs that get cut becouse the CEOs need more money, weres the goverment aid for them, sure unemployment, but with over 250,000 poeple unemployed alone in my state, unemployment only lasts so long and with that many people looking for jobs what are they too do, then they spend all that money that our country could use to make us great again, and spend it on a buch a people who dont give a shit half way round the world.. wha the fuck???

<< I know what you mean. and I agree that the mid-class is the largest class which gets the least. But that doesn't need to be solved monetarily. It needs to be solved politically. If you want change go to your next city meetings, get involved. Employment is still be effected by other things other than money, you can't solve unemployment with money and the democrats in california (especially Davis), are going to impose a tax on companies who hire abroad. The computer industry is known for hiring overseas and establishing business on islands and they hire out of country to save money on labor as well as avoid paying certain taxes. Doing this, hiring laborers for cheap and not hiring their own has caused employments recent rift.

What you said has nothing to do with the money spent on foreign affairs. It's all within our country and dictated by our government. Hey, I'm not by any means against the U.S. infact we're better off then some, but you can't say that this country doesn't take care of theirs. Yes, how you going to fix the world if you can't fix home yet, but remember we're a democracy the people may not rule, but we do have a say by who we elect in office. you can even take measures beyond that... funny thing is that mid-class has the most votes.

Blame Canada
Blame Canada

if it was solely american, wouldn't it be rapbattles.us?
.com domains are sorta worldwide o.O



And the US owes the UN a couple trillion dollars.
maybe you should bomb them, so you have money!
good idea, no?
nucca what?! :rolleyes:

maybe if countrys would pay us their debt, we could pay off ours dumbass

need I say more?

weed is not dope..crack is dope...and weed is feel good plant.:)..When I grow up..I'm taking my son to the United Kingdom...Americ..bites..but we have alot of advantages over other countries..but we also have alot of disadvantages..and living in America also mean we can bombed at any time trust me..it can happen...

true american ^^^

damn right^^^

100% herb ^^^

Propoganda.

Americans hear what the American Government wants them to. Unfortunately, too many swallow it up and actually believe there is something about the States that makes it above all from other nations. Every Nation has its advantages/disadvantages.
To be honest, sometimes the American Patriotism makes me sick. You are all so proud of having a military like you do, ' We Powerful, Do what we say or we whoop your ass ' Blah Blah Blah... and yet you have children starving living on the streets searching through trash cans to survive. You have such intolerance of others that it amazes me. (Priorities?!?!)
As far as Im concerned, leading through fear is defeat in itself. You can't command respect, you must earn it. And America aint doing so well on this in recent times.
The fact that your country chucked a nation wide hissy fit when France wouldnt agree to attack Iraq amazes me. Likened to a child in a grocery store chucking a tantrum cause they cant have a lollipop. When in all reality, the UN wasn't set up to do as the USA bids, it was set up so that all Nations would have a say in the decision making pertaining to Global Events. Sad to say, that the American Government feels they are higher than even this on the World Arena. Ignorant. Pompous. Asses.
As for freedom, I cant believe that you actually think you are free lol That cracks me up. Im not saying Im free either, but at least Im not bound by the misconception that I am lol And Im certainly not basing entire arguments upon it.
Money and wealth mean shit all, so take your prowess and offer an argument based on humanity, or the quality of life, the tolerance of people.. and then see how well America stacks up. You will be dissapointed.
There is nothing, absolutely nothing, that America provides that certain others Nations don't. If you think there is, by all means tell me. But I want to hear a good argument, no bullshit half witted wanker statements like -
'We are the most powerful Nation in the World'
For fucks sake. I hate this sentence, Im so damn sick of reading and hearing it... you need to address the racism issues in your own country before you start breeding it World Wide.
Wake up! We are not just Americans, or Australians, Canadians, Chinese etc etc.. We are fellow citizens of this World. Start acting like it.

0-3 LOSER^^^

basically 9/11 was less about the hatred for americans and more about the (almost) never ending conflict between christians and muslims....unfortunately for us america is and will always be potrayed as a christian nation like it or not..........face it when the pilgrims landed here their religous beliefs were forever imprinted on this country...............those who write off the terrorists as simply hata's of america obviously don't know what a jihad is.......a holy war.........america is a great country however we have some very bad habits.........the biggest one being...in my opinion is attempting to walk in and tell soverign (misspelled i know) nations what to do and how to run their country...........personally i feel the war in Iraq took advantage of the mood of the country and george bush used our feelings of patriotism and fear to wage war for personal/political gain.........i mean with the exception of saddams sons what did we accomplish? what weapons of mass destruction did we find.........are the iraqi people free........hell we've lost more soldiers since the president declared the war a success than we did in the actual war..................basically what i'm saying is this every country has problems and the people respond to them in different ways.............america has the most freedom and we do alot of good things.............but we are not perfect by a long shot..........we have poor education lots of hungry and homeless.....but face it this is the land of OPPORTUNITY so there is the chance to make it and do well for yourselves......and if we were so horrible then why does everyone want to come here....it ain't for the big macs i'll tell you.....................1

sometimes at school or anywhere usually someone saids someone wacky about the united states.....Like some wacky lawsuit or something.....where if you dont have health insureance youre a dead man...and how you dont get money being unemployed america really is becomming a joke.......Its also hella commercialised/////////// i'd much rather stay where i am

also the person that said that every country owes america money is wo=rong it's the other way roung. The American government owes the un millions of dollars

America spend's like 100 times the amonut of money more than the other second biggest budget for weapons so for a country with so much money to spare you would think there would be no bums on the street

Your a nice guy profiit...but..
Even what you say here has that pompous American attitude, you guys just dont see it do you... You really don't.

America has no more freedom than Australia does. Oh, except in the case of gun laws. Which, personally, isnt a form of freedom I'd take pride in. As for the land of opportunity, what makes Americans think Australia isnt? Access to our education system is far better than yours, as well as our government funded medical programs... so really, in essence, with better public health care and the ability for every Australian, rich or poor, to go to University (without the need for scholarship)... I think we actually provide better opportunities to our young people than the States does.
Lastly, you mention everyone wanting to go there.. Check international migration statistics... It might surprise you that plenty of Americans migrate from your country every year, not to mention the fact that America doesn't even have the highest national immigration intake in the World.

I just want to note also, that Im using Australia for reference simply because Ive lived here the last 13 years, not because I think its any better than any other country. In fact, sadly..I lack patriotism.
I see very little these days to be proud of, anywhere.

this entire statement makes you a hypocrit. First off you're bad mouthing America and then you say "everyone" is citizens of the world??? Great display of humanity.

I understand there are those who don't like our government and things we done in the past, and in most instances I agree. My only problem with your statement, is that you're talking about stuff you don't seem to know much about. The UN would not exit if it weren't for America, and some countries wouldn't even be represented. Rascism spans the world not just America. And if I remember correctly Australia houses the most hate groups, you guys. Yes there are arrogant people claiming America is great and the best or what have you, but they do not represent the entire country. Any proud person would say their country is the best, at least for them. I'm pretty sure your country has at least one or two less fortunate? OR is Austrailia that perfect?

^thank you i try to be a nice guy!:)..........i wasn't trying to be pompous i am a little patriotic but my point is that America is a land of choices and our freedoms are better than in some countries......true there are other countries with the same types of freedoms but there are many that lack democracy (though ours is iffy at times) judicial systems and law and order in any sense.....what i am trying to get at is this........we have our faults all nations do......we however also have our good points.....don't knock our country based on what you hear.......we are really not that bad......;)..........1

Yeah Profiit, it is A land of opportunity, among many. But not THE land of opportunity.. you dont hold the monopoly on that :)
And I know you werent trying to be pompous, hence my comment your a nice guy, I was just trying to illustrate to you, how sometimes, Americans are oblivious as to how they are percieved my non-Americans.. And you know I agree, there is no perfect Nation. Which is why I don't understand why so many people spend so much time claiming theirs is.

Now Jes.. First off, I must assume you didnt bother to read my second post in this threa, I stated I don't believe Australia to be any better than any other Country...I don't see anywhere that I say Australia is perfect.. and there is only one thing I hate more than bullshit arguments, its people putting words in my mouth.
As for your comments on the UN, well.. you are almost correct on one account..

'The name "United Nations", coined by United States President Franklin D. Roosevelt, was first used in the "Declaration by United Nations" of 1 January 1942.

However, this doesnt, at least in my book, mean that the American Government controls nor dictates the decisions made by the UN Nations. It was created so that Countries could work together toward-for one, global peace.. among many other issues. The decision making process is very clear within the UN. Within each of the seperate councils set up within the UN there are Nation members who hold a vote. With the recent events in Iraq it was the Security Council that held the responsibility.

'The UN Charter gives the Security Council primary responsibility for maintaining international peace and security. The Council may convene at any time, whenever peace is threatened. Under the Charter, all Member States are obligated to carry out the Council's decisions.
There are 15 Council members. Five of these — China, France, the Russian Federation, the United Kingdom and the United States — are permanent members. The other 10 are elected by the General Assembly for two-year terms. Member States are discussing making changes in Council membership and working to reflect today's political and economic realities.
Decisions of the Council require nine yes votes. Except in votes on procedural questions, a decision cannot be taken if there is a no vote, or veto, by a permanent member.'

This being said, can you imagine Roosevelts reaction to President Bush and his total lack of respect towards the UN's decision on this subject? It makes it all the worse in my books, that the UN, an International Co-ordination founded by an American President is so totally dis-regarded by President Bush. And don't go off saying that this was the actions of one man (Bush) because I saw plenty of discussions online on forums just like these where Americans were hating on the French because they wouldnt yeild on the decision.
And yes, the minority don't speak for the majority, as is life... However, I was addressing people on this forum, whose attitudes were pompous and arrogant regarding America and its supposed might.

Well that was a fucking long winded way of saying "fuck off you dipshit". Well put though, and I want you to know that I'm feeling that shit man.

It's about time we get some discussion out of this topic. Most keep referencing our involvemnt in Iraq, just read some pages back, where I listed our main agenda in Iraq. I respect all of the world countires, but am sure respect is not what is keeping hostile nations from invading those borders. The only thing opposing that scenerio is the balance of world power as it stands today. The minute there is a shift in that balance, most of you will understand the volitility of this world. I wish I had the misconceptions of most, but I do not have that luxory, sometimes I guess it's better not to be informed...At least you sleep better at night, and have no ulcers to worry about...

Apparently you don't read either, because I never said "you said" Austrailia was perfect. I was making a point ABOUT Austrailia, there is a difference but I guess you didn't catch that. It was a rhetorical question. Taking my statement as an attack, is your fault. I'm glad you're reading up on the UN, at least you'll get your facts straight. And yes, President Bush went against the UN, but how many times in UN history has people gone against its wishes? How many times is the Geneva Convention been broken. America has been very independent of other countries thought and such when it comes to home, and that I agree. So disreagarding the UN is not new, if it was America would be ousted from its postion.

I really see no point in your lastest post. you skimmed through information to find something to support your idea, which seems to me a weak argument. Don't get me wrong, I'm not for war at all, I in fact am a non-violent protester. So I'm not arguing about why we went to war, because I think it was incorrect. I'm asking you about your orginal post. You had lots of good opinions, but I feel were backed up unjustly. I guess your first post was made in anger about somethings said in this thread, but generalizing everyone and pointing out flaws which you're own country has, seems pretty arrogant.

I guess it's time for another cliche, "don't speaks in others eye until you realize the log in your own."

whoops, sorry about this. I must have accidently quoted myself, not sure how... delete it, it was unintentional

( Jes, why did you just quote yourself a minute after posting it? )

So he could be herbed?

Yes, it may have been a rhetorical question, however... it implied that that is what I said. There is the difference- My retort was directed at those who outwardly profess Americas supremacy. You cannot deny these people exist. But I did not say all Americans, I said too many Americans.
As for apparently sounding arrogant pointing out flaws that Australia indeed has, well... Im not telling people Australia is the most powerful Nation in the World, Australia controls the Worlds Political Arena, Australia is above and beyond any other Nation.. am I? If I were, then by all means, Id be an arrogant ass... (omg, this means that Americans saying it about the States makes them arrogant! Who would have thought... hmmm wasnt that the message in my original thread?).
Thanks for proving my point on that.
Trust me Jes, I am aware of Australias flaws, I live here.
And yes, my original post was made out of anger. Because Im sooooo tired of this attitude. And Im not alone, Australia isnt alone. Its unfortunate, because America is a beautiful country, I thoroughly enjoyed living there.
As for the UN, I am familiar with the UN. Combined with my studies, and having an ex boyfriend in the American military, still serving in Iraq this day, whom I am in regular contact with- I do know a bit about whats been going on over there the last 12 months. I just couldnt be half assed typing the information when I can paste it from the UN site. Im not even going to bother replying to your statement regarding how many times the UN's decisions have been dis-regarded, because I believe you to possess enough intelligence to know that two wrongs don't make a right.
And please, re-type that cliche so it makes sense.

If your going by implications then you're missing the point. Of course there are many Americans who are arrogant. I haven't avoided that fact, I even said I agreed with you on some accounts. Like I said some of your statements have weak arguements, in my opinion and thats what I'm contesting. I really don't understand why we're arguing mainly about the UN, I mean my second post referrs to more than that and you didn't bring any of those issues up. Either you agree, or you don't know enough to discuss. The UN is the least of the issues. You talked about rascism in America, homelessness, etc. And these issues were the ones I'm really debating, when they don't exist anywhere else you let me know.

Your arrogant because of your first post, no matter if your talking about Austrailia, but your "better than thou" attitude. I could give two shits what you feel for America, I probably feel the same, but when you make hypocritical statements believe I'll be on you about them.

"you see the specks in others eyes, but can't see the log in your own."- I figured if it didn't make sense you'd go to a site and cut and paste it's meaning...

^lol, word
canada is america jr. and they get free health care
canadians are hella dope, eh?

Is there another country that can compare with the international aid provided by the United State? NO! Not by a long shot. We are hated in the world for various reasons, our current hate from the Islamic extremist are more substantiated in our equality for woman than any thing else. How can a country that oppresses women and denies freedoms not hate the US? In this country a woman can become president, and it is very likely that we will see one in our life time. Do you even know how much a threat that is to the extremist? A huge one, one they can not accept. The west in general is hated by most the world, female leadership is very apparent and growing. Heaven forbid that the equality movement hit the middle east. Look at the Arab worlds biggest enemy Isreal, in the backyards of the arab community Isreali woman are free and treated as equals. Isreali women are fre to chose who they have a relationship with, where they get thei education and every other freedom a woman has in the free world. Yet right next door, often in the same community Muslim women are hacked apart by male family members because they had a relationship with a guy the family considers unworthy. Often these "honor killings" as they are called in that part of the world go unpunished, in few cases some murderers are giving a six month sentence. Come on you can hack apart your sister because she is seeing someone you don't want her to. How can we look monsterous as a Nation? Hate for america and the west is deeply planted in the realization that freedoms breed awareness. Someone who is aware is a great threat to the oppresive fabric of "religous rule"... In a counrty were you can be executed for praying in public (christain prayer), and this does not only imply on the street, but also a group prayer in your own home... Why are we seen as the root evil here, when it's obvious that evil is seen and heard in every unspoken word of those nations...

^bounce you have smoked yourself retarted?
Im a lay some facts down on you
we give .001 percent of our budget to international aid
and do you think that when we gave weapons to Iraq to wipe out the kurds in the 80's that that region is just mad at us becuase we "treat our women" right? And if you think A women will become president, you are a dreamer. Our country was built on bigotry and racism and sexism are just as present as it was in the past, its just that people tend to hide it more now. The extremist are evil, yeah but we're no betta we stole this land from the native americans brotha. Word to the Israeli women equality, but the extremist are too busy blowing themselves up and killing the women and children surrounding in the process. Don't act like America is all innocent, cuz we're killing plenty of innocent muslims on a daily basis to the equivalent of what happened on 9/11. Hmmm, I wonder why we're seen as evil

Now I know your watered down comparision is no way goin to stand up to a substantiated argument from me. I was speaking in very general terms because all to amny people complain or clown when I go into statistics. I am sorry you are completly wrong about our internatiol aid, you can not compare percentage of budget figures with cold hard figures. Our economy is the largest so how are you going to use a weak percentage stand point to argue from. Is it our fault the worlds economies are not as robust as ours. Come on dont feed me that moronic stance, I will level it at any time. Do you even want to involve yoursef in this conversation with me? Please calling me retarded you must not know who your throwing out those comments to. Please be advised, next time approach me from an intellectual foundation. Not some assinine argument that we provide only a small fraction of our overall GNP, when that percentage is by far greater than any other coutry in the world. I have heard bleeding heart liberal argue from the same platform, only to be embaressed by the facts. Fact one no matter how you dilute it, our contributions are greater than all. Now do you want to talk politics with me fine, but to interject such ignorant comments, you just derailed your whole arguement.

If you knew anything about my standpoint, you would know I never said America is perfect or innocent. I stand behind my word, I am not proud of every aspect of our nations history nor do I support every action of the current administration. What I have stated time and time again, is that I believe in freedom, I believe in goodness and world freedom. I always have, and I think I sit on level of involvement much higher than yours. I actually take an "active' role in all that is transpiring oversea's, do you? I sit on nation security counsels, attend seciurty briefings, and support our military interest both domestic and international. I am not rich, I am not white, and I am not on the far right. I am centered in all area's including; government, politics, social issue's and religion. My comments above where aimed at the sociological breakdown in those hostile nations. I am not defending what america did to the Indegenous people of America, I am not condoning the killing of innocent people. I am just stating the belief that overall good is on the side of America. If you average out the good and the bad, where do we sit. On the side of good, even thought some bad is apperant. Even God made allowences for bad in the pursuit of good. If you really want to have an indepth debate I am more than willing to enlighten you, my guess is that you are going to try to disprove every thing I have stated. I wish you the best of luck.. I will have this discusion if you are willing..

Ignorance is bliss... You have just proved this my friend...

We gave wepons to the Iraqis to wipe out the Kurds, come on you are kidding me right, we supported the kurdish uprising. We armed Iraq in it's war with Iran. Get your damn facts straight, do not post if you are not informed or factual...

I didnt mean to personally insult you, but you really must not be informed. percentage does matter, thats what shows how much you care, other countries who have had much less money have given higher percents of thier yearly budgets to help foreign affairs. And why do you think we have more money in the first place, when we are invading countries and putting Haliburton in charge of rebuilding it. Even if we are more good than evil, you are ignoring the fact that the countries we are bombing are more good than evil as well. Only a very small percentage of the Islam Nation are actually extremeist. You keep contradicting yourself, first you say you do not support the actions of this administration and then you pull out the famous arfument that anyone uses when theryre backs against the wall and they use the "God example" to say that its all in the support of good. The only thing I agree with you on is that Ingnorance is bliss........ you must be the happiest man alive

plus I am active in these affairs, I have been to Israel and talked to members of the Israeli government regarding issues as such as these and I've heard representives from other countries as well to get theyre take. I've been on social action comitties before, and we have helped Iraq in the recent past as to contradict ourselves as much as you have with your flimsy arguments, so don't assume that you know more than me when you are ignoring half the issue at hand.

^you are too foolish for words...

bounce is just about the most informed person on this entire site my friend. you don't have the facts str8. you are yet another victim of our liberal media. You should venture away from NBC News and keep up with the debates on te channels more dedicated to current affairs. You will learn a lot of things that are clouded to the public. try paying attention to events as they happen and listen to both sides of the argument. the more informed you are, the more you will let go of this left wing attitude you have. even though you're going to not even consider the truth, let me try to clear some things up for everyone else...

percentage does matter, thats what shows how much you care, other countries who have had much less money have given higher percents of thier yearly budgets to help foreign affairs.

you can not measure our national budget in percentages compared to other nations. We have a much larger national budget than an other nation. although we give less of our budget to international affairs, we still give more money than any other country (1% of our budget is much larger than 1% of another nations budget). plus you must consider our social structure and population. we have a much bigger population which takes up a larger percentage of our budget. we also have more exports and industry in our country which takes money to manage. so of course our country uses less of our budget on international affairs.

And why do you think we have more money in the first place, when we are invading countries and putting Haliburton in charge of rebuilding it.

everytime we go to war we have a greater national debt. we do not get rich by sending our military overseas to help people in need.

Even if we are more good than evil, you are ignoring the fact that the countries we are bombing are more good than evil as well. Only a very small percentage of the Islam Nation are actually extremeist.

we do not bomb innocent civilian towns. The extremists that we are fighting do that. we bomb military targets. we don't just fly to a country and blow it all up. we're not savages.

You keep contradicting yourself, first you say you do not support the actions of this administration and then you pull out the famous arfument that anyone uses when theryre backs against the wall and they use the "God example" to say that its all in the support of good.

i believe he said he doesnt agree with all the actions the administration has taken. you don't have to agree with everything. this country is run by human beings who are able to make mistakes and have disagreements. hence our 2 party system. and the God line?? come on... that is the whole reason we are doing this. these people need help. it is a God given responsibility for the people who are better off to help those in need.

btw if youre against what u speak of then why are you "active in these affairs." seems hypocritical to me.

^^^holy shit... quit rapping and be a politician or somethin... maybe get on cnn i dunno

i gotss ma egumukation

word?